Tlaib cost Bernie more votes in Iowa tonight than she brought to him

[scheming daemons]

Her clip booing, and encouraging the crowd to boo, Hillary will trend all weekend and force Bernie to disavow and/or Tlaib to apologize.

Hillary got more than 650,000 votes in Iowa in 2016. Those people are needed by whoever wins the nomination.

Purely from a political standpoint, Tlaib f***ed up.

I don't imagine Bernie HQ is happy about this.

[Horizens]

1. Agree N/T

[Cha]

2. I Hope So.. KARMA!

[BlueMTexpat]

38. + a million!

Those who diss HRC also diss her supporters.

When last I checked (just a couple minutes ago, as a matter of fact), we were nearly four million more in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

And some of us still have long memories!

[Gothmog]

100. This sanders supporter will be voted out of office this cycle

[murielm99]

3. I was completely disgusted

by this hateful, childish display.

Remind me...what is Hillary running for in 2020?

[Thekaspervote]

4. Really childish!

[DanTex]

5. Could go either way. Some people will side with Hillary, some with Tlaib.

Which side people go probably depends on what they already think about Bernie. People who hate him will hate him more. People who like him will like him more.

And other people will see it as a silly fight between Democrats that shouldn't have happened.

[MaryMagdaline]

46. Has no effect on my feelings towards Bernie

I lost all respect for Tlaib though

[Cha]

6. @HillaryClinton stood up for these women when @realDonaldTrump savagely attacked them last year.

Link to tweet

[DanTex]

7. And then she childishly attacked Bernie by saying nobody likes him.

[Cha]

8. Yeah, BS doesn't like being reminded..

“All the way up until the end, a lot of people highly identified with his campaign were urging people to vote third party, urging people not to vote,” Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with Emily Tisch Sussman for her podcast “Your Primary Playlist.” “It had an impact.”

[DanTex]

9. Yes, because people don't like being attacked childishly.

[Cha]

10. BS doesn't like being reminded..

“All the way up until the end, a lot of people highly identified with his campaign were urging people to vote third party, urging people not to vote,” Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with Emily Tisch Sussman for her podcast “Your Primary Playlist.” “It had an impact.”

[DanTex]

11. LOL.

[Cha]

12. BS' new national press secretary on her 2016 presidential vote

Link to tweet

Sirota's LIES about Hillary the night before the General Election

[ehrnst]

50. Things that make you go hm...

And wonder just why someone may have been hired.

[OnDoutside]

75. It's about ideology first, and last. To be fair, I wouldn't be holding out hope

that the same people will support the Dem nominee, if it's not Bernie.

[ehrnst]

76. Like the Cenk endorsement - it appears to be about personal loyalty first and foremost.

We've seen what effect that kind of judgement for choosing advisors has on a POTUS.

[OnDoutside]

92. Yeah, purity politics makes for strange bedfellows.

[NCProgressive]

22. Hillary is a private citizen and can do or say whatever she wants.

She has been a former first lady, a former senator, a former SOS and our nominee for POTUS.

She should be respected for who she is. If Berniecrowd has a problem with what she is saying, disagree with decorum, class and decency.

A first term congresswoman has been disrespectful of a highly admired Democrat.

Tlaib's primary opponent will succeed and send her home for good.

[ehrnst]

48. Lol.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=346631

[emmaverybo]

105. Was nothing funny about it. Unless the Trump presidency and Republicans shredding democracy

gives you giggles.

[NCProgressive]

20. How does one say

"No one in the senate likes him" in a non-childish manner? Pray tell.

[ehrnst]

51. You mean like calling someone else "a little silly" for talking about the 2016 elections

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when one has written one's own book (available on Amazon!!) about it (that made one a millionaire) that had a lot of complaining about the 2016 election in it?

[krkaufman]

28. Alternative facts

More realistic explanation for the result, but not one Hillary wants to admit...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_582cacb0e4b058ce7aa8b861/

[yardwork]

61. It's a fact that Bernie's campaign leaders urged people to vote for Jill Stein.

Pretending this didn't happen doesn't make it go away.

[ehrnst]

78. "A touch of arrogance?" "Neglect?" That's what prevented HRC from being in the WH right now?

How about this?

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657

Or this?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014

[pnwmom]

13. Yeah, right. The adult woman was "childish" when she correctly noted

that Bernie hasn't been doing a thing to win over her supporters.

[DanTex]

14. Childish was saying that "nobody likes him." I mean, even children think that's childish.

[msongs]

15. I dont know anyone who likes him nt

[DanTex]

16. I guess that settles it!

[ehrnst]

74. Yes, all those Senate colleagues rushing to his defense against that "childish attack"

is really the thing that 'settles it,' isn't it?

[pnwmom]

18. It is sexist to call a woman "childish" because you disagree with something she said.

Yes, she engaged in hyperbole. No, she wasn't childish.

If you think her statement that "nobody likes him" was "childish," did you call him "childish" for hyperbolically saying she was "unqualified" to be President? There's good reason for Hillary supporters not to like him, especially since he has done absolutely nothing to reach out to them or change his approach.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-qualified/477294/

"I think that what he has been saying about the core issue in his whole campaign doesn’t seem to be rooted in an understanding of either the law or the practical ways you get something done. And I will leave it to voters to decide who of us can do the job that the country needs, who can do all aspects of the job."

It’s classic Clinton: She’s cautious, careful, and stays on message. And the “qualified” broadside is classic Sanders too. He’s angry, and he’s not afraid to show that. This directness—and its contrast with the impression that Clinton is calculating—is one of the forces that has powered Sanders’s campaign.

He may have overdone it in this case. There’s a certain logic to attacking Clinton’s qualifications, since her campaign is built not on charismatic appeal so much as her experience and resume: Attack the strengths, not the weaknesses. But this sort of attack will only motivate and energize her own voters, who won’t hear it as a commentary on Iraq so much as a personal slam. Besides, Sanders has said in the past that he would support Clinton if she were the nominee, a stance his campaign manager affirmed Thursday. Clinton, meanwhile, seemed delighted to be able to take the high road. “I don't know why he's saying that but I will take Bernie Sanders over Ted Cruz or Donald Trump any time,” she said Thursday morning. (Of course, she also happily turned his remarks into a fundraising plea.)

ABC’s Rick Klein argues that “qualified” is a Rubicon—it’s pretty hard to go back and endorse someone you’ve said is unqualified. Maybe, though candidates have walked back stronger statements, and they’ll continue to do so. Sanders’s campaign seems to already be backing off his comments. Even if he walks them back, you can be assured they’ll return in the general election if Clinton is the Democratic nominee.

[NCProgressive]

21. I don't know anyone who likes him either

[madaboutharry]

33. I have read this in several places, the fact that he is unpopular among other Senators.

They nicknamed him "The Senate Scold" because he lectures them on their inferior political morality. Hillary was only repeating what others have said, including Bernie himself.

[ehrnst]

62. Um.. He released a video that clearly attempted to make being curt and gruff Progressive cred..

Link to tweet

He appears to be saying that bothering "pleasantries" like saying happy birthday is pandering and fake, and gets in the way of being focused on the big problems in the world.

So there's that.

And I guess all these people who worked for him were "childish" and before you again try to dismiss these the things reported by staffers as "attacks on Sanders' candidacy from people who don't agree with his ideas" because they didn't come to light until a journalist thought it was relevant because Sanders became a POTUS candidate...and was performing due dilligence that the press is supposted to do...stop and recall that one of the GOP attacks on Christine Blasey Ford and Anita Hill was - "why did you wait to come forward with this until he was up for SCOTUS?"

"As a supervisor, he was unbelievably abusive," says one former campaign staffer, who claims to have endured frequent verbal assaults. The double standard was clear: "He did things that, if he found out that another supervisor was doing in a workplace, he would go after them. You can't treat employees that way."
................................................

"I think he's got a ton of conviction," the same former Senate staffer says. "I just think he's kind of harsh to a fault. He's so focused on his issues that he doesn't have a softer side. I don't think he's a very nice man."

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657

Seriously. if this was anyone else on the Democratic ticket, it would be called "disqualifying." One incident with a salad, and Klobuchar is damned as "abusive":

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12873174

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10142272964#post6

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10142272964#post7

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12874312#post2

Long time progressive Congressman Barney Frank was commenting on "Bernie alienating his natural allies" back in the 90's when they were in Congress together. Was Rep. Frank perhaps a clairvoyant that foresaw a Sanders POTUS run, and was simply "childishly attacking" to tank it all those years ago?

Why would the editor of the Burlington Free Press when Bernie was mayor have any reason be "childish" and dishonest about his and other's experiences with Sanders?

"Here's my problem with Bernie Sanders. With few exceptions, I agree with his positions on issues. But I don't like him or his political temperament."

You are dismissing many, many people who have worked with and for Sanders over the years in DC and Vermont as "childish" for voicing this observation about Sanders. If that's the case, isn't that a rather dim view of the choice of people Sanders hires or works with?

[ehrnst]

70. "Childish" is calling someone else "silly" for talking about the 2016 election they were a part of

when one has become a millionaire selling one's own book about it (available on Amazon!), with quite a bit of complaining about the 2016 election.

[Bananaluver]

26. Did Sanders do a video saying nobody likes him? He was proud of that.

HRC didn't say anything Sanders has not said about himself. Truth.

[ehrnst]

68. This one where he states that "pleasantries" are not something he worries about:

Link to tweet

[BlueMTexpat]

39. She merely speaks truth

about his colleagues in the Senate.

She was asked to give her unvarnished opinion. And she did.

The truth often hurts.

[greatauntoftriplets]

52. Childish would have been saying "Bernie has cooties".

[lapucelle]

67. She didn't "childishly attack BS". That interview was filmed last last year

for a documentary on her life that premiered at the Sundance Film Festival last week. The documentary will forever serve as part of the record of the 2016 general election and will be a valuable resource for scholars and historians.

There is nothing childish about a serious women answering a serious question with the her honest appraisal..


But your attempt to diminish an accomplished woman by laying a claim of "childish" is duly noted.

[ehrnst]

80. Glad you went with 'whataboutism' in the direction of HRC?

How's that going for you?

[treestar]

89. Agree somewhat, because "nobody likes him" is simpler than

"wall street" "corporatists" "oligarchs" "centrists" - at least those terms sound political. But they are more or less equivalent in effect. "Nobody likes centrist" "I don't like oligarchs" - but most childish is going on about how Bernie is going to forgive student loans and establish a national health plan without having to work with a Senate that will always be conservative. Obama at least got that body to sign onto something. And he has people skills Bernie can only dream of.

[Peregrine Took]

103. +1000

[nolawarlock]

17. Tlaib is definitely making it worse.

The so-called squad has already become the punching bag of the Republicans. I guess they're looking to get a few more jabs from the Democrats as well. I really pray to every entity from heaven to hell that Sanders does not have to be the person I pull the lever for in November. No, that's not endorsement. I'd actually vote for a circus clown over Trump so yeah, I'll vote for Bernie, but I'm going to throw up in my mouth while in the voting booth.

Hillary may be taking a few shots at Bernie, and those jabs may be deserved if poorly timed, but while her timing may be bad, she has a LOT of fans even now (including me). By reacting to her, the Sanders surrogates are only going to cost Bernie even more Hillary fans than Hillary might be costing him. Not smart.

[Desarlis]

19. Agree

Not a good strategy. This helps Trump.

[Scurrilous]

23. A large slice of the Democratic electorate will be appalled.

[catbyte]

24. I've defended her a lot. I'm done. I'm embarrassed she's from MI & from the district next to mine

What she did was shameful. And I'm disappointed in Omar for laughing, too.

[Cha]

29. They did look awfully proud of themselves up there.

[catbyte]

73. No kidding.

That's what really turned me off. My blood boils just thinking about it. How dare they.

[Cha]

106. I feel the same.. good to hear from kindred spirits

on this.. Mahalo, catbyte

[Tiggeroshii]

25. I doubt it will effect anything.

After what Hillary said about Bernie and the way the two sides have been polarized, the ones that this angers are already against him. And vice versa.

[RandySF]

27. We don't know yet.

If Trump can get away with shooting someone on 5th Ave., perhaps Bernie commands that same loyalty. On the other hand, this could cost Rashida dearly.

[Gothmog]

30. sanders and his surrogates are pissing off Clinton voters

[Iliyah]

41. Pretty much . . .

[Magoo48]

53. Clinton is not running. Past elections are just that.

Tell me what is exceptional about your candidate, what she stands for.

[onenote]

57. That is as politically naive a statement as I've seen on DU in a while.

You can't possibly think that voters who supported a candidate don't still care what that candidate thinks in the next election -- or what the candidates in that election think of the former candidate. Why do you think candidates crave endorsements?

[Magoo48]

66. We see posts here on DU against America's cult of personality every day.

So are we all blowin’ smoke, are we all hypocrites? Or, perhaps it’s ok for our side to idolize these politicians, you know, since it’s us doing it?

[catbyte]

69. Which is exactly why I'm uneasy with rabid Sanders supporters.

Clinton lost in part because many of them stayed home or voted for Jill Stein instead of the Democratic nominee and it still upsets me. I don't see such devotion by supporters of any other candidate. Sanders really turns me off but if he wins the nomination I will vote for him. Can his supporters say the same? If they can't or won't then they're no better than MAGAts.

[Gothmog]

94. Good luck getting the nomination without support of Clinton voters

[treestar]

91. And keep telling Clinton voters they have to be nice

to get the votes of Bernie's supporters for Biden eventually. At the same time, they expect everyone to vote for Bernie because he is entitled to the nomination. And the DNC should monitor its actions with that in mind!

[Gothmog]

31. This was a bad move by the sanders campaign

Link to tweet

?s=20

[betsuni]

32. +1

[BlueMTexpat]

40. Just like a Trump rally! eom

[Cha]

43. Retweeted

Link to tweet

[madaboutharry]

34. Sanders has some divisive and problematic surrogates and spokespeople.

Rashid Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and AOC have yet to learn that decorum is sometimes your friend. All three have caused themselves problems for thinking out loud. (Nina Turner and Briahna Joy Gray are not helpful in winning him votes either.)

Tlaib was wrong in several ways. First of all, Hillary has been a fine public servant. She was a hard working Senator and a great Secretary of State. She has always wanted to make this a better country. Her service should be honored not denigrated. Secondly, Tlaib has an obligation to behave in a manner that is respectful of other Democrats. Thirdly, she is a member of Congress. She should know better that to "Boo" and behave like a middle schooler.

She should issue an apology, not only to Hillary but also to Democrats and the voters of Iowa.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. I'm fine with Tlaib issuing an apology, that would be classy, but Hillary also should've apologized

quickly herself for insulting Bernie... had Hillary timely done so, Tlaib prolly would never have said "boo"!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[BlueMTexpat]

42. Why should Hillary apologize?

She was asked for her unvarnished opinion. She gave it. She spoke truth about how BS is regarded by his Senate colleagues.

Tlaib did not disprove that. She merely responded in the most childish way and I am ashamed of and for her, because I too have championed Tlaib when I believed that she was in the right.

Why should Hillary apologize for speaking the truth?

[greatauntoftriplets]

54. Did Sanders ever apologize to President Obama for saying he should be primaried in 2012?

HRC isn't running this time around. Can't his surrogates boo the actual enemy -- i.e., Donald Trump?

[ehrnst]

77. So, if it's not true, where are all those Senate colleagues rushing to

contradict her statements?

[Cha]

45. Well said, mad

[emmaverybo]

108. Well said. Nt

[treestar]

36. Yes. Hillary won the last primary.

Hillary is popular amongst Democrats.

[BlueMTexpat]

44. Among real Democrats, in any event! eom

[IADEMO2004]

37. Just in time 2016 Part Deux

[Fresh_Start]

47. Bernie is perfectly fine with people booing hillary

on any and all occasions

And its not like Tlaib is an unknown quantity so apparently they think hillary hate will help them more

[getagrip_already]

49. This!!!! - it's lock her up all over again....

And he isn't worried about losing hillary voters, he never had them. The tactic is to try to intimidate and belittle anyone who dares to criticize you.

Very intentional.

(edited to correct typo)

[getagrip_already]

58. same coin...

very similar tactic. Infantile to boot, which is also intentional.

[dem4decades]

60. Trump will tie her to Bernie le a Stone around his neck if he's the nominee.

Imagine the Trump ads, Bernie the Socialists and his friends. I'll let you figure out how Trump will define her. It won't be pretty.

I want to win the presidency and the Senate.

[walkingman]

63. If we don't get our shit together soon we will hand over the election to Trump.

[MichMan]

64. Not very impressed with Tlaib at all

I don't live in her district, but spent much of my life in Metro Detroit. While she is passionate, she comes across a too coarse and crude IMO, which negates her message to some extent. Stating at her inauguration "Impeach the Motherfucker" got her a lot of cheers, but I don't think it was necessary at that time and place.

I also don't think she did herself any favors last fall when she was planning a visit to Israel and Palestine. Initially got her permission revoked by Israel as she had previously indicated her desire to participate in protests while she was there. Her point was that as a US Government representative, Israel owed her the respect of allowing her into the country which made perfect sense.

It was what happened after that where it became somewhat ridiculous. She wrote an emotional letter to the Israeli government asking to be admitted for humanitarian reasons to visit her elderly grandmother, who she was very close to, stating that she might not see her ever again, and that she would respectfully not participate in any protests while she was there. Israel agreed to her request, but she then completely changed her mind, and said, she would not go under any circumstances, as it would be disrespectful to her grandmother to go under those conditions, if she couldn't express herself politically. So much for wanting to see her grandmother I guess. All she did was make herself look foolish for getting what she asked for, and then changing course 180 degrees when she got it.

Now we have this incident... I hope she gets beat in the primary, but not holding my breath based on previous elections in Detroit.

[still_one]

65. I agree, and while I don't think it will happen, if it does, it needs to be short and to the point,

without any excuses or justifications.

From what I understand, and what a lot of folks may not grasp, there are still a significant number of undecided voters in Iowa

[ehrnst]

71. I recall candidates in South Carolina telling Bernie NOT to come endorse them in 2018.

Sometimes one doesn't have a self-awareness of how negatively they are truly perceived by some that they believe adore them.

https://apnews.com/99afaea472f8482fa71ef025b764867f

[Quixote1818]

72. I seriously doubt it did any damage. Nt

[treestar]

90. If you refer to Hillary as a moderate Republican

don't expect agreement from a majority of Democrats.

[betsuni]

93. Hillary and Bernie voted 93% the same when they were both in the Senate.

You must think Bernie is a moderate Republican too.

[BannonsLiver]

97. Do you still think Hillary is a moderate Republican?

After three years of Dump do you understand that’s not true? Do you get it now, that you were wrong?

[mcar]

81. She's walked it back, kind of

He will probably say he doesn't agree. His staff will be on Twitter continuing to push Tlaib's nonsense.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Gothmog]

85. That was NOT an apology

[mcar]

86. No, it was not

and, as predicted:

Link to tweet

?s=20

Here's Bernie's campaign manager walking back Rashida's non apology and saying "keep booing Democrats Rashida, we love it." Bernie is not about unity. He's just an ass.

Link to tweet

…

[Gothmog]

84. sanders will NOT get support from Clinton supporters

Link to tweet

[Quixote1818]

95. I voted for Hillary and I would support Sanders.

It's a diverse group.

[mcar]

87. Seems they are happy about it

Link to tweet

?s=20

Here's Bernie's campaign manager walking back Rashida's non apology and saying "keep booing Democrats Rashida, we love it." Bernie is not about unity. He's just an ass.

Link to tweet

…

[Gothmog]

88. I am very disappointed in this sanders supporter

Link to tweet

[Skidmore]

96. This sort of disrespect of Democratic leaders is not soon forgotten.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[peggysue2]

98. Yes, you want to piss Democratic voters off right before the Iowa caucus?

No better way than to dump on Hillary Clinton. We have Republicans who are willing and able to demonstrate disrespect ad infinitum.

Get a clue!

[Gothmog]

99. Like Fred Guttenberg, I have no respect for this man

Link to tweet

[RandySF]

101. It might give pause to undecided Democrats

but Bernie can also shoot someone on Fifth Avenue without losing his core support.

[still_one]

102. lol

[OAITW r.2.0]

104. Has Hillary dissed any other candidate running as a Democrat?

Don't know the answer, but that would be interesting. She is entitled to her opinion, more so than most people, when it comes to her Party creds. I suspect that her preferences are with any other candidate running....except for Bernie. I am OK with that. She has earned her right to voice an opinion on the various people running for this office, this cycle.

[book_worm]

107. A lot of them don't care

They are so young and pure and think they are right about everything.

[Cha]

109. michael moore is a gd Liar...

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

110. This makes me smile

Link to tweet