Michael McKean to Jill Stein: "I don't remember anyone asking you a goddamn thing."

[Dennis Donovan]

Link to tweet

Dr. Jill Stein 🌻 ✔@DrJillStein

Desperate DNC members consider rule change to let superdelegates vote on 1st ballot to stop Sanders. If the DNC rigs another election against its voters, it’ll be asking for biggest #DemExit yet by those who want an actually democratic party. #DNCRigging

Michael McKean ✔@MJMcKean

I don’t remember anyone asking you a goddamn thing.

10:29 AM - Feb 1, 2020

David St Hubbins, ladies and gentlemen!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Why should Jill Stein have anything to say

about how the DNC conducts its business?

[MontanaMama]

2. Hmmmm. One wonders...

I’m guessing she’s being paid by someone to disrupt.

[Dennis Donovan]

3. Because Vlad pays her to do so.

[dalton99a]

23. +1. Whoring for Putin

just like the Trump gang

[UniteFightBack]

7. Because they like to use the word 'rig' whenever they can. nt

[Grokenstein]

22. Watch history repeat itself.

"Vote blue, no matter who! Vote blue, no matter who! Vote blue, no ma--"
"Your candidate lost the primary."
"...Ratfucking! Conspiracy to silence! My conscience! Don't vote! Stay home!"

[Horizens]

30. 2 questions

Name 2 people who claim rigged elections

trump
sanders

Name 2 people who received help from russia in 2016

trump
sanders

[Perseus]

9. I don't like Jill Stein, I think she did a lot of damage in 2016, but this time she is right

This is another time when the DNC and Democrats need to adhere to reality and learn from 2016. This push against Sanders will only hurt Democrats come November. In 2016 too many of Sanders supporters stayed home and did not vote, they felt the DNC had played a foul game against them, and we have to admit they did, Democrats should not make that mistake again, let the chips fall where they may and if Sanders is to become the nominee then lets put all our efforts behind the candidate.

I ask all of you, what is more important, that your favourite candidate wins or that we get trump and the crooks from the GOP out of office and indicted afterwards? I believe our goal MUST BE to get rid of the crooks, and to do that we need to allow the majority of Democrats to elect who will represent us in November. It is not your favouritism that will determine the outcome in November, it is the majority of Democratic voters that matters. Yes, fight for your favourite candidate, but don't trash the other Democratic candidates to try to make points for yours.

We need to stop the hypocrisy of applauding for people we regularly do not like, but if they say or have anything that aligns with our beliefs then all is good, but if it doesn't align with our beliefs we want to dismiss it, even when its true, and this time Jill Stein is 100% correct.

I hope Democrats do not make the same mistake, the support for Sanders is huge and it cannot be ignored, it could make or break the outcome. We have to understand that many times passions cloud reasoning and logic, and if Sanders' supporters feel cheated and disenfranchised I am afraid their passion will take over their reasoning and we, Democrats, will suffer the consequences.

Correct, nobody asked her anything, but don't turn good advise away just because you don't like the messenger. Stop, take a deep breath, listen to the message, analyze the message, if the message is right then act on it, don't dismiss it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. The DNC is entitled to conduct its convention as it sees fit,

and Jill Stein needs to keep her Putinist yap shut about it. It's not her party and she doesn't get to cry if she wants to. And Sanders needs to be a good sport if he loses instead of trying to disrupt the convention and divide the party - like last time.

[Thekaspervote]

12. Tell me how the DNC "played a foul game."

Hillary came to the convention with way more than 51% of the vote and was the nominee following the first ballot. Those are the rules..

[paleotn]

25. That's the thing. They love the words rigged, cheated, etc.

but never, ever explain exactly HOW it was supposedly rigged or cheated, etc. Party politics of the early 20th century would make their heads explode....if in fact they were actually sincere in their concern trolling. Today's party politics is as clean as the driven snow in comparison.

[Perseus]

44. I was not a Sander's supporter but why don't you ask them how they felt?

"Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump"
[link:https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds|

<snip>Schaffner's numbers show that after a bitter Democratic primary, more than 1 in 10 of those who voted in the primaries for the very progressive Sanders ended up voting for the Republican in the general election, rather than for the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton.

And this:

"WHY SOME OF BERNIE SANDERS’S SUPPORTERS ARE ANGRY"
[link:https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/why-some-of-bernie-sanderss-supporters-are-angry|
<snip>Taken individually, these two developments merely confirmed what was already evident: that the D.N.C. had been acting as an extension of the Clinton campaign, and that Clinton is a risk-averse moderate who feels comfortable with like-minded individuals. Coming as close together as they did, though, the two stories conveyed a more combustible message—to some Sanders supporters, at least.

Keep making Sanders supporters angry and you will give votes to trump. You may not like Jill Stein, and I don't, but her message is right.

[MrsCoffee]

13. Oh ffs, not this shit again.

Not holding the party hostage again this time. If people do not vote for him, too bad, get over it and do the right thing.

My candidate of choice is already out. I feel very cheated by that. That doesn’t mean I’m going to take my ball and stay home.

I’m done catering to selfish myopic Bernie or Busters.

[Perseus]

45. Your candidate is out, the DNC doesn't have the need to work against him/her

but if the case was different, or at least you felt it was different you may be so upset that you may decide to stay home, and that is what happened to many Sander's supporters who felt the DNC worked against Sanders, some stayed home and some voted for trump.

Its not me saying it, read the links I left above.

[MrsCoffee]

68. The fucking conspiracy shit is getting old.

The DNC is not the fucking boogeyman here.

I don't care who says it. It's pathetically weak and reeks of desperation.

The Democratic Party will not be held hostage.

[Perseus]

73. What is getting old is changing the rules at the last minute to help some and screw others.

The facts are there, whether you want to call it a conspiracy or not, the facts are clear. The DNC in 2016 changed the rules, Sanders' supporters felt the changes were targeted against their candidate and in favour of Hillary. Whether she had the votes or not is irrelevant, the effect was very negative to Democrats in November of 2016, and I am hoping the same does not repeat this year.

This is definitely an election Democrats should win, unless they screw it up themselves, and one of those screw ups would be disenfranchising Sanders' supporters, that is a huge number of Democrats who would not be happy and could make a big difference in the outcome in November.

We need to face the facts to make sure the same doesn't happen by expressing our thoughts to the powers that be to make sure they don't do anything stupid again.

Hiding our heads in the sand won't stop the machete from hitting us on the neck.

[MrsCoffee]

74. Omg, pure propaganda.

Those are not facts.

Just stop.

The DNC is not the boogeyman or a scapegoat.

[Perseus]

75. Read

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html|

But forgetting that, the negative campaign against Bernie Sanders that is going on, including here in DU, will have a very negative effect come November as it did in 2016. We are all Democrats, that includes Sanders' supporters, we must be united, we must treat our differences with politically correctness and avoid vilifying our Democratic candidates because that will create divisions and anger, how can that be good for the party?

[Cha]

78. BS runs a "negative" campaign..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Attack Biden for the same thing BS did.

Link to tweet

[Codeine]

54. Exactly. I was excited by one candidate

and she’s no longer in the running. This doesn’t mean I take my ball and go home to pout, it means I shift my support and refocus.

[pnwmom]

17. If Bernie comes to the convention with a plurality of 35 or 40%, we'd be better off

if the delegates chose a candidate more people could get behind. If EW's backers wanted to join with Biden's, instead of Bernie's, so be it.

[squirecam]

27. I'm against this

And sanders is the last I’d vote for.

But whomever got the most delegates should be the nominee. Period.

You can’t let second and third (or fifth) + supers decide. Unity would be destroyed.

If you want Sanders or Biden out, beat them in the elections. Not with scheming.

[pnwmom]

28. We'd be more likely to have unity with someone who is the 2nd choice of 70%

than the 1st choice of 35%. This is called compromise, and it is part of what makes a democracy work.

[squirecam]

32. Go ahead and PROVE that.

If Bernie gets 35% if New Hampshire voters, Warren 29%, and Biden 17%, please prove to me that the second choice of Biden and Warren voters is each other. You CANT, without having an actual revote. Which is impossible.

What you have are delegates, who may or may not reflect the second choices of the actual voter. It’s a guess. And the result of that guesswork will be divisive.

The winner of the most delegates has always won. The supers have never changed that outcome. We shouldn’t start now.

I didn’t like it when Clinton floated the idea in 2008.
I didn’t like it when Bernie floated the idea in 2016.
I don’t like it now.

If you don’t like sanders or Biden, then be #1. But the winner of the most pledged delegates should get the nomination.

[pnwmom]

38. If there is a second vote, all bets are off. The supers can weigh in and Bernie has been doing

absolutely nothing to reach out to them.

[Perseus]

46. Very well put.

And that is why we lost many of the Sanders' votes, because they felt their candidate had been the victim of a scheme.

You hit the nail in the head: "UNITY WOULD BE DESTROYED"

[BannonsLiver]

21. So nominate Bernie or else?

GMAFB.

[Perseus]

47. That is not what this is about

It is about fairness, let the Democratic voters decide who will be their nominee, not tricks, no schemes from the DNC to decide what a few want.

Where did you get the "So nominate Bernie or else?"??? No one is saying that, please read carefully what is being said.

[KPN]

24. Hear hear. And I don't like or trust Jill Stein

one iota. Your analysis and perspective on this are spot on. We will repeat 2016 if the DNC reverses the rules change on superdelegates they made following 2016. In my view, the party will lose all credibility if they do that. We might also lose more disenfranchised would be Dem voters than we did in 2016. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see and understand this. It does take a controlling mindset however to deny and ignore it.

In a word, it would be stupid.

If it happens ....

[3Hotdogs]

72. + 1 to the 10th power.

[robbedvoter]

70. on the same note, why should Sanders?

But I repeat myself.

[Cha]

4. Retweeted.. Thank you Michael McKean!

[UniteFightBack]

5. What a surprise ...Stein pimping for Sanders. Real SHOCKER. nt

[Iliyah]

6. Oh my gawd . . .

here we go again. Now Susan S and others will be coming forth soon with . . .

VP Biden is no better than t-rump and is even worst bullshit.

[highplainsdem]

8. Typical meddling by Stein. She weighed in two weeks ago on what she called "Liz smearing Bernie."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287427077#post7

[Thekaspervote]

11. Liz is not my first choice, but she time and again has put out memos to staff and supporters

That she will not tolerate the kind of thing that went on last night. No attacks period! Kudos to her

[still_one]

14. Thank-you Michael McKean. Jill Stein is a POS, and a campaign that hires people such as Briahna Joy

Gray, who not only voted for Jill Stein, but has no regrets doing so, is a campaign whose strategy is to divide not unite

That is not a candidate who should represent the Democratic Party

[Scurrilous]

15. ...

[betsuni]

20. ...

[essme]

36. That isn't funny. Is it your dad and mom? nt

[Scurrilous]

37. Yes. On the night I was conceived.

Again, he wouldn't stop screaming.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

39. Oof, you can do better than that.

[wryter2000]

57. That's disgusting

Is that how you treat women?

[Scurrilous]

59. ...

?

[squirecam]

16. This is dumb

Sanders will either have enough on the first ballot, or he won’t.

Supers will vote on ballot two.

They would only “need” to stop him on the first ballot if he actually already had enough to win. In which case, the race was already over.

[pnwmom]

18. As I recall, Mondale was only a few votes short for getting a 1st ballot victory,

so some supers gave him theirs and pushed him over the edge. That way the party could unify more quickly.

[KPN]

26. Not exactly. As I understand it, some DNC members are proposing to reverse

the rule change made after 2016 to instead ALLOW superdelegates to vote on the first ballot, i.e., just like in 2016. While superdelegates didn’t matter ultimately in 2016 because Hillary actually captured enough delegates via popular votes to win the nomination, it could and likely would matter this year; which is exactly why some members of the DNC are proposing it.

If you think there’s a rift in the party now, make that rule change in the convention and watch what happens.

It would be monumentally stupid — which is what happens to judgement when people lose control and begin to panic.

[squirecam]

29. The one with the most delegates

Should win. Period.

[KPN]

42. Including superdelegates onfirst round-- who are not bound by popular vote?

I think we are in agreement. You are saying the proposed rule change is dumb?

[squirecam]

43. No

The one with the most delegates prior to the convention should win.

No supers.
No 2+3 combining.

The pledged delegate winner from actual voting should be the nominee.

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

61. You mean one w/o a majority?

The candidate with the highest plurality should win the nomination, in your view?

[squirecam]

63. Yes

If we have a situation where #1 has a plurality, but #2 and #3 strike a deal to take the nomination, it will destroy any attempt at unity.

I don’t care whether #1 is Biden and 2-3 is sanders and Warren, or #1 is sanders and 2-3 is Biden and Warren. The result will be the same.

[Perseus]

49. Correct, it would be monumentally stupid

And it is what happens to judgement, like you said, when people lose control, begin to panic or are overly fanatic towards their candidates.

I am paraphrasing some of what you wrote, and added something...

[betsuni]

19. Perfect.

[JenniferJuniper]

31. St. Hubbins - "Patron Saint of Quality Footwear"

[bullwinkle428]

40. +1000...was hoping someone would drop a "Spinal Tap" reference!

[JenniferJuniper]

41. My first thought was "It's such a fine line between

stupid and clever", but there's no fine line when it comes to Jill.

[comradebillyboy]

33. Bernie wins the coveted Jill Stein endorsement. Congratulations

Bernie.

[Dave in VA]

34. Perpetual Victim!

He, she, them, they, someone...

They changed the rules, fixed the system, were unfair. Good god, why isn't she complaining about how the republican party rules are rigged for the orange hemorrhoid? BTW, who the fuck cares what she has to say about the democratic party?

Maybe she should just go to Moscow and complain about how the fix was in for pooting to be king for life!

Fuck off turd!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

35. Cheap easy quote ripoff from Tarantino. That's pretty weaksauce.

And, hey, just keep ignoring this shit, yeah? That seems like a good idea. So many people here are still pissed at Sanders supporters from 2016 because apparently (for what reason I don't know) they cost the Dems the election. So, hey, you know what they were pissed about in 2016 so how about you don't just double down on that shit in 2020? Maybe that? And if the DNC does double down on the things that made Sanders' supporters mad, how about we don't get all shocked face when they, you know, get even more pissed the second time around when it is clear nobody gives a fuck.

[Perseus]

51. Very eloquent :) and very right

There is so much fanatism here that people dismiss the messenger without trying a little bit to understand the message, analyze it and realize that whether you like Jill Stein or not, SHE IS RIGHT THIS TIME. The message is right.

Many people on this board will jump at you very hard if you say one little negative thing about their candidate, imagine how Sanders' supporters will feel if this year too they feel the DNC and the Democratic party has acted against their candidate.

Passions are stronger than logic many time, and I would hope that those trying to kill the messenger realize that is exactly what they are doing, they are acting out of passion not taking the time to READ the message. Forget who sent the message for a couple of minutes, imagine it is Obama who sent it, and you will realize the message is spot on.

[KPN]

62. Especially if Sanders goes into the convention

as the leader in regular delegates. I’m not saying that’s going to happen, but if it does and the DNC pulls this crap, I think we can all kiss the WH goodbye ...and the Senate with it.

Like it or not, Sanders has huge support and momentum. Beating him fair and square might be harder, but it’s damn sure better for the party and the nation than this overt rigging would be.

[Cha]

65. Michael McKean to Jill Stein: "I don't remember anyone asking you a goddamn thing."

It's perfect!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

66. It was a little more fresh when Jules said it to Marvin in 1994.

[Cha]

67. Perfect Time for a Comeback.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

69. You do know Jules is a hitman and Marvin gets shot in the face (albeit accidently).

Probably not the right vibe for this, but I could be wrong.

[DonaldsRump]

77. Yup, I think most of us know that

But if you think that's what the movie was about, you didn't really see the movie.

Kinda' like I don't see BS winning the "Democratic" nomination until he does little things like becoming a Democratic nominee for senator, explaining his very curious comment about George Wallace, recently dissing women presidential candidates like my hero Senator Warren, whose aim is much more true than BS or Jill Stein, etc.

And, to paraphrase Jules again: "BS and Jill, you need to be like two little Fonzies. Chill and be cool. For a change."

[NurseJackie]

48. Another? Fuck you, Jill! Fuck you and Sarandon! Fuck you and Moore!

Fuck you all! Fuck you and Cusack! Nothing has ever been "rigged"... that's so Trumpian. Go back to Russia where you belong!

[still_one]

53. LOL

[Cuthbert Allgood]

64. NurseJackie when the people she said "Fuck you all!" to don't just fall in line.

[central scrutinizer]

50. Original

[link:https://m.

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[still_one]

52. 6 DNC members out of 400 plus, and who gives a f**k what Stein thinks?

[pamdb]

55. sanders and stein

Plus, Bernie is not a democrat, he just uses the party as he sees fit.

[Kurt V.]

56. anyone? what an idiot to use that word. never use words like never,

[Codeine]

58. I wonder if Vlad dictates her tweets

or just takes her phone and posts himself?

[NYMinute]

60. Putin must be getting nervous ... his other woman is kvetching

[yardwork]

71. Love it! Sit down, Jill.

[Gothmog]

76. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump and Putin

[W_HAMILTON]

79. Fuck Jill Stein and her Green Party.

"Clean up your own house," you asshole.

Apparently only people registered as members of the Green Party in California can vote in the primary for the Green Party; contrast that with the Democratic Party, where no party preference voters are allowed to vote in their primary (unfortunately).

Focus on the """rigging""" within your own shitty party, you Russian stooge.

[rockfordfile]

80. She's as un-American as they come