Thank you Rashida Tlaib for showing us how we will defeat Donald Trump.

[DanTex]

Tlaib was upset that Hillary Clinton attacked Bernie by saying "nobody likes him." She let her protectiveness of Bernie get the best of her, and attacked back by booing Hillary at a Bernie event.

That was wrong of her.

But.

She did the right thing and apologized gracefully. This is how we defeat Trump. When we make mistakes to each other, we apologize. Instead of escalating, de-escalate. She didn't say "Hillary needs to apologize first." She went ahead and did the right thing, and put the incident behind us.

[George II]

1. .

Link to tweet

[highplainsdem]

2. LOL! The Hoarse Whisperer nailed it! Thanks, George!

[DanTex]

3. Random people on twitter still attacking Tlaib are not helping us unite to defeat Trump.

[George II]

5. Booing the Party's incumbent standard bearer (Hillary Clinton) and then issuing a half-hearted....

...apology isn't going to unite to defeat trump, either.

Tlaib won her primary by a mere 900 votes in 2018, getting only 31% of the vote. I hope she makes the most of the next 11 months, she'll be unemployed come January 2021.

[DanTex]

8. It was a heartfelt apology, very decent. Continue to attack her doesn't help anyone.

Hillary Clinton should apologize too, but even if she doesn't, Tlaib has shown that the high road will take us to victory over Trump.

Attacking Dems, particularly progressives like Tlaib, is not helpful to party unity.

[comradebillyboy]

26. It wasn't an apology at all...

[mcar]

32. Please show me where the apology is in her statement

[dware]

57. You just don't get it do you?

She blamed HRC for her antics, if she hadn't gotten such a massive backlash, she would have never "apologized".

And another point, why hasn't your man Bernie come out and issued a statement about Rashid's antics?
Could it be that he approves it.
He did run away from a legitimate question about it yesterday.

[ehrnst]

65. +1000

[ehrnst]

64. "High road?" Tlaib attacks the party standardbearer is what is not helpful to party unity.

You're welcome.

[BlueMTexpat]

45. Thank you, George II! eom

[scheming daemons]

4. Can you point me to any words from her that constitute an apology?

I haven't seen them.

[DanTex]

6. It was a series of tweets.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=461659

[scheming daemons]

39. Yeah, I saw the series of tweets

I didn't see an apology in them anywhere.


An explanation is not an apology.

[Fresh_Start]

55. Agreed. That was not an apology

I hope the crappy surrogates BS uses, kill his candidacy

[WA-03 Democrat]

7. DanTex

Where do you buy your rose tinted glass at? Apologies wrap with insults are not apologies.

I appreciate your many threads of the one note squad.

This is what Trump does.

Democrats don’t tear the party up. Simple identification right in front of our eyes.

Bernie is only a Democrat when it helps him.

[dem4decades]

17. He's an Independent now and says he will run as an Independent in 2022. He's not a Democrat.

[lynintenn]

9. Actions like this are what turn people off from the Democrats

Bernie seems to have a lot of divisive people working for him. He will never unite us.

[DanTex]

12. Yes, Hillary's attacks on Bernie may turn some people off.

Unfortuante, but I'm glad that Bernie has unifying people like Tlaib working for him, who apologize for their mistakes. It will go a long way towards uniting us for November.

[dem4decades]

19. since when are divisive people unifying?

[emmaverybo]

28. May be unifying to "the movement," but not to the party, not to Americans across the political

spectrum who would join us in protecting our democracy.

[Autumn]

10. She was wrong and it was a nice apology. Rashida Tlaib is a very classy woman.

[dware]

58. Please show us where in her statement is an apology? nt

[Autumn]

60. If it has to be explained to you I guess you won't consider it an apology. That's fine with me. nt

[dware]

62. So, in other words.

you can't show where there's an apology in her statement.

Thank you for confirming what I suspected and have a great Sunday.

[Autumn]

66. It's not my job to show where her apology is. You accept it or not. I will have a great Sunday.

[dware]

67. As I said, yoiu can't show an apology

because, in reality, there is no apology, all she did was blame HRC, who came to her defense when the Mango Menace was attacking her and her fellow squad members, for her comments, nowhere was there and apology.

Glad you're having a great Sunday, so am I.

[ehrnst]

63. It's like saying...

"I just get so upset at a bully with a lot of power who viciously attacked YOU ALL. I let it show too much, and I encouraged you show what you really sincerely felt, and apparently supporting you all was a mistake."

[dware]

68. +1000.

I sure do wish that those that say Congresswoman Tlaib apologized would show us where she actually did apologize.

[Gothmog]

11. I strongly disagree

Link to tweet

?s=20

[DanTex]

14. Another rando on twitter attacking a Democrat. Those people aren't helpful to defeating Trump.

[R B Garr]

56. Right, Bernie should set an example to his surrogates and quit attacking Democrats.

This is another example of a long period away from politics. The blame game is lacking long periods of news cycles.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. It's even better when you don't do things that make your lame apology necessary

in the first place.

[DanTex]

15. True, but people make mistakes. It's big to own up to them publicly.

Accepting apologies is also big. Hopefully, if Hillary can't bring herself to apologize for her own attacks, at least she will accept Tlaib's apology so we can move on.

[calguy]

18. I don't think she attacked Bernie

She was merely stating facts. Bernie apologists might have been upset by thus trurh, but it doesn't change the fact that truth is still the truth.

[DanTex]

30. "Nobody likes him" is an attack, anyone can tell that.

[calguy]

46. I think it's a fact

Why can't he get more than a few Senators to support his bills? No one wants to work with him. Why couldn't he get top teir people to work on his campaign? No one wants to work with him. Why will he be trounced in a general election? No one wants to work with him. Why doesn't anyone want to work with him? Because no one in government likes him.

[madaboutharry]

16. Here is a definition of Tlaib's non-apology apology:

"...Second, this is a subtrope of Sarcasm Mode, when a supposed apology is actually very unapologetic, and instead makes it very clear that either the person being apologized to is the one in the wrong, or that the apologizer prefers Insane Troll Logic to admitting they are wrong..."

[DanTex]

21. I think its best if we put this behind us instead of trying to re-parse her apology to find

excuses for continuing to attack either her or Bernie. We need to defeat Trump.

[dware]

59. You're the one that keeps starting threads about this.

We're just responding to it.

If you want it to go away, then stop posting threads about it.

[Gothmog]

20. Good luck getting support from real Democrats

Link to tweet

?s=20

[DanTex]

22. Tlaib is a real Democrat.

[redqueen]

23. In all fairness, that was a very weak apology.

She would continue to be attacked either way - we're Dems, circular firing squads are practically a tradition - but a stronger apology would have helped more.

[DanTex]

25. Arguable. Certainly it's a stronger apology than the one Hillary gave for her grade-school insult.

It's the first de-escalation of this whole thing. And it could have been much weaker. Like she could have made excuses like "I wasn't booing Hillary, I was just booing the words Hillary said" or whatever.

She's in a spot, because if she over-apologizes it will annoy the Bernie people who are still upset about what Hillary said, and if she under-apologizes it will upset the anti-Bernie people. Pretty good given the circumstances.

[Beartracks]

51. You've just highlighted the real problem Democrats face.

"if she over-apologizes it will annoy the Bernie people who are still upset about what Hillary said, and if she under-apologizes it will upset the anti-Bernie people. "

Democrats always seem to be way too sensitive about individual things that, while they do indeed matter, are simply not the most pressing collective priority, and having to walk these sorts of fine lines is a real distraction and disservice to our elected officials and candidates who's skills and attention should be focused on the big picture: defeating Republicans.

As someone around here posted earlier: we can get back to infighting once democracy is off life support, but we can't afford to be doing it right now.


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[melman]

24. I couldn't disagree more

Giving in to bullies is the worst possible thing to do, and exactly not the way to beat Trump.

[DanTex]

29. I wouldn't say she gave into bullying. She apologized without saying that

that the attacks on Bernie were OK.

[melman]

33. I understand why she did it but I think it's a bad move

It's taken as a sign of weakness and used as fuel for further attacks. Look at the other thread on this for many examples.

[DanTex]

35. Fair enough. I agree that she was bullied. And is still bullied.

I mean, she's a minority female who supports Bernie Sanders. That's like the top bullying target in the universe.

But still, she shouldn't have booed Hillary in the first place, no matter what Hillary said. So I think it was correct to issue an apology for her mistake.

But I hear your point.

[melman]

37. I don't know

Gotta be careful with the way I word this given the venue but...


The idea that someone can smear and insult all they want and you can't say anything back doesn't sit well with me.


I'll leave it at that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. 63 million people voted for Hillary in 2016.

That's a fact that any alleged Democrat might want to keep in mind before slagging her.

[mcar]

31. Seems Team Bernie liked what she said

Link to tweet

?s=20

Here's Bernie's campaign manager walking back Rashida's non apology and saying "keep booing Democrats Rashida, we love it." Bernie is not about unity. He's just an ass.

Link to tweet

…

[melman]

34. "The Who Matters"

Interesting account. Let's look at the pinned tweet.

Link to tweet

So they are explicitly stating they will not vote for the nominee if it's someone they don't like.



I mean it's right in the account name "The Who Matters". And this is a person to post here? Why?

[mcar]

38. I've seen re-posts here from people who happily voted for Stein

and encouraged others to do same.

What do you think about Bernie's campaign manager's statement?

[melman]

41. His actual statement or The Who Matters' absurd mischaracterization?

[mcar]

43. She posted his actual statement. As did I

Here it is again.

Link to tweet

?s=20

Rashida, you’re all good. We love your passion and conviction. Don’t change

Link to tweet

…

[melman]

44. I have no problem with it

Why would I? Why would anybody?

[mcar]

52. Keep doing what you're doing?

It's all good?

Booing a female lion of the Democratic party is "all good?"

Alrighty then.

[melman]

54. There's that absurd mischaracterization I was talking about

Why must you do that when know perfectly well that's not what he said or meant?

[Gothmog]

36. I am very disappointed in this sanders supporter

Link to tweet

[tritsofme]

40. This thread is laughable. Hopefully she loses her primary.

[yardwork]

42. Just no. That's not how politics works.

[MineralMan]

47. I didn't really see an apology.

I saw a weak attempt to back away from a damaging thing she said. Does she have a primary opponent in her district?

[Skidmore]

48. SMH She's shown us

how Sanders will lose.

[Uncle Joe]

49. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread DanTex.

[Codeine]

53. An apology from Tlaib would be a great thing

but she hasn’t even entered into the same ZIP code as an apology as yet.

[ehrnst]

61. It was a non-apology.

She said that she let "dissapointment" about what "HRC said about Bernie and his supporters" get the best of her.

That's kind of like saying, I'm sorry I called her a whore in that business meeting. I was just so disappointed in her about what it must be doing to her kids that she's dating someone so soon after her husband died.

[Gothmog]

69. The attack on Clinton were totally inappropriate and disgusting

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

70. This makes me smile

Sanders needs the support of Clinton voters ‘

Link to tweet

[LanternWaste]

71. I dig how you justify in Tlaib that same you indict in other.

Situational ethics is really groovy... and much more convenient than convictions.

[Blue_Tires]

72. Tlaib is just smart enough to know that she can't

napalm all her bridges in the party...

Of course St. Bern was never really a part of the Dems to begin with so naturally he doesn't give a shit at this point in his life.