Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI can't believe anyone is defending HRC's "nobody likes him" attack on Bernie.
Look, it was obviously not good for her to say that. It hurts party unity and also makes her look petty.
This doesn't mean Hillary is a horrible person, it just means she made a bad call when she said that. It's not necessary to defend every mistake a person makes in order to hold that person in high regard.
People make mistakes. This was one of Hillary's. She's still a great Democrat, but like every other great Democrat, she makes mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I agree, just say that was a mistake, and forget it.
Would be helpful if Hillary would do that, and then everyone could move on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Like you're doing with this OP and all your replies?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I guess that's too simple and effective.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie is VERY forgiving, that's just his kind and gentle nature... so why wouldn't Hillary make peace with him for the sake of Party unit!y!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Why wouldn't he do that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,966 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)I am seeing it every day all day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)when she said no body likes him. She told the truth. They don't. I thought TRUTH was not smears.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)You don't have to do that. You can just say the obvious: it was a mistake. Hillary is still a great person. Who made a mistake.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You still haven't explained that. You say that "some people" the ones you describe as "the cool kids" don't like him because he's just so wonderful and principled, but it looks like no one is coming forward to say that HRC was wrong....
I think you are the one who is making the mistake, and doing it all over the board. It makes one look desperate.
You don't have to do that. You can just say the obvious: What she said was true, but it makes me very unhappy, and I want her to stop saying things that I don't like.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,731 posts)His supporters are pretending she was suggesting no one likes Sanders anywhere. She clearly wasn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)But that doesn't fit their narrative so they distort the truth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)sanders has zero significant legislative accomplishments in the real world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)They know he is not going to get any of what he says done, they know that if Joe Biden was bragging about the endorsement of Joe Rogan they would be screaming to high heaven, they know Bernie surrounds himself with shady characters. They don't care. Sound familiar? Some folks like that sort of personality in leaders. It's a big turn off for me. I can't stand the way Trump and his supporters bully republican senators when they don't do what he wants. It's not hard to imagine senators who maybe do not support something Bernie as president asks for get flooded with hate. I'm not into that sort of thing.. some people clearly are.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ripcord
(5,084 posts)"Don't vote for him, no one likes him".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)despite your vehement support of BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)Hillary is all about Hillary. There, I said it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,094 posts)There, I said it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)by Sanders supporters?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,904 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)She's worrying that attacks could hurt the future nominee, so she attacks the guy who the market odds have as the favorite to be the next nominee?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)sanders is not worried about this because he has zero chance of defeating trump in the real world
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Like Tulsi Gabbard, bri-bri and company should consider themselves put on notice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)She clearly won, and Bernie didn't hurt her. The russians put trump in the white house along with some idiots. She didn't lose. So Bernie wasn't the problem. I don't get the argument, unless you have to say that the political history of the last 4 years is not true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But I'll bite - where are you getting these "market odds?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)After all, prediction markets work the same way asset and derivative markets on Wall Street do, just that they use profit-maximizing free market principles to price the probabilities of events in the world rather than financial assets. I could see someone with socialist inclinations objecting, but...
Market odds:
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3633/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-presidential-nomination
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Pro Tip: Maybe that's more information about yourself than you want to share....
Not being a gambling enthusiast, nor an investor, that source was not one familiar to me.
There's a distinct smell of red herring fallacy combined with ad hominem attacks there.
Pro Tip: Continuing to try to bait someone who has never taken any bait in the many times we've interacted doesn't promote an aura of expertise to these posts, just desperation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I mean, what do you think the people funding those centrist campaigns do all day?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So you try another red herring fallacy. You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome...
But I'll play your game... what 'centrist campaigns' are being funded by "Wall Street."
Are those crickets I hear already?
Checking your 401K, maybe? I could see someone with "capitalist inclinations" doing that, but...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, an entity directly or indirectly established by a federal candidate or officeholder is not allowed to solicit, receive, direct, transfer, or spend funds in connection with an election for Federal office unless the funds are subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements of federal law.
According to Our Revolutions tax returns showing contribution amounts but not contributor names, data compiled and first reported by the Associated Press, from 2016 to 2018 Our Revolution raised almost $1 million dollars from contributors who gave in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit, including multiple contributions of between $100,000 and $300,000. Our Revolution has not disclosed any of its contributors to the FEC, as required by federal campaign finance law.
https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/
I think I already hear crickets....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/24/where-bernie-sanders-money-comes-from.html
Thoughts?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Unless the economy tanks, looks like Fat Nixon will be unstoppable. We need to stop this petty squabbling and unite. We cannot afford to turn off potential voters, and that includes Joe Biden telling people to "vote for someone else."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)Link to tweet
Sirota's LIES about Hillary the night before the General Election
Mahalo for that, Goth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Again, with the contradictions. Need to stop toxicity vs nobody likes him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)If you want this to go away, get sanders to apologize to JOHN Lewis, Stacy Abrams, the widow of JElijah Cummings and Michele Obama
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Thanks, Skya Rhen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I love President Obama as much as anyone here, but being an incumbent president does not make you above having to compete in the primaries. Bernie does not need to apologize for saying that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)instead of lashing out on the internet. It works for me but not necessarily recommended for everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Moreover, Hillary doesn't call reporters. Reporters call her. She is a well-respected and admired former first lady, former senator, former SOS and former nominee of the Democratic party for POTUS.
She deserves far more respect than she is given by Sanders supporters. She remains immensely popular in Democratic circles.
Sanders supporters and campaign would be better off just saying "I/we disagree with Secretary Clinton's assessment" and move on instead of continuing to whine incessantly. It is not a good look. If you can't handle Hillary, how will you handle republicans or hostile foreign leaders?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(57,661 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,774 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,224 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)More openings to explain why the attackers are disingenuous. It's part of the whole populist appeal, and its working! So keep it up!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)while at the same time touting "electability."
But, can you show me where Sanders' colleagues have come out and said that what HRC said in that interview is not true?
Because if it was true, certainly his Senate colleagues would have done that immediately upon release of that HRC's answer to that question in last year's interview, yes?
Any thoughts?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I think it's possible that when she made the comment, she had no idea exactly how bad things would get with Trump as POTUS. I know I am walking around a weird mix of stunned and unsurprised by it.
That said, a sensationalist project such as that documentary is the exact model of infotainment has been a toxic force that helped Trump gain popularity. It seems a little Jerry Springerish and beneath what I would usually expect from her. This dust up seems to me to be pretty foolish altogether. Blue no matter who.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)and asked her if she stood by the statement, and she said yes. She could have said, well, that wasn't best choice of words, or obviously Bernie is far preferable to Trump, or anything like that.
But yeah, the dust up is stupid, because now we have the booing thing, and everyone is getting mad at each other and however the primary turns out everyone has to get back together and not be mad at each other come November.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I hadn't delved into that detail. There is no room for error or ego right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Not committing to supporting Bernie if he gets the nomination didn't go over very well either, though she corrected that in a tweet later.
Yes, it does.
If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?
I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/hillary-clinton-full-a-fiery-new-documentary-trump-regrets-harsh-words-bernie-1271551
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)right up until election day. I for one am happy to see her finally fighting back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)Voted for Stein. Encouraged others to vote for Stein. Celebrated IMPOTUS' "win" because it would bring on "the revolution."
But HRC should apologize, STFU and go away. Right.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)The people that you call centrist feel like it's time to fight back? We've been called neoliberal, corporate democrats, establishments hacks and blamed for everything wrong that happens in this nation for four years now. What if people want leaders like Hillary to fight back? Why is it OK for Bernie organizations like Our Revolution to use dark money forces to primary democrats? Why is it OK for Journos like Jocobin. Greenwald to blame democrats and trash us more than they ever do republicans and not OK for us to fight back? I think people should maybe get use to centrist fighting back and expect it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,774 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)that has been toxic..."
What on earth are you talking about?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)The "expose" of 2016 that does nothing but stoke division. It's the basis of conflict driven cable news, and reality TV and exactly what propelled Trump to the presidency.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)on her life.The documentary premiered at the Sundance Film Festival last week.
At the time of the filming HRC was asked for her honest perspective on and appraisal of many different events and people, BS among them.
She didn't "make a bad call" when she said it last year. She was giving an honest and informed opinion.
The documentary will forever serve as part of the record of the 2016 general election and will be a valuable resource for scholars and historians.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Mistake.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)were trashing Hillary right up until election day AFTER she got the nomination?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)so I don't know why people are surprised when centrist fight back. I think they should ramp up the fighting back not down. We're still in primary season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Unless it's like an eye-for-an-eye. Just pure revenge.
But if the goal is to win against the Republicans, it's not good at all. It's counterproductive. Hillary does her Bernie attack, and then Tlaib does the booing, and then there's a big fight. And everyone points to the other side to justify their side.
Who does that help? Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Each side is going to fight hard for their side and it's going to get even worse. It was pretty ugly in 2016 and it looks worse this time. I promise you, Bernie and his surrogates are not going to ramp down their attacks so centrist shouldn't either. We're fighting to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I mean, if you're going to chalk up Hillary's schoolyard insult to "each side is going to fight hard," then the same goes for Moore.
Obviously.
I prefer civility to all-out war, and I prefer focus on issues than "nobody likes him" type insults. But if you're in favor of everyone throwing insults everywhere, then at least that's logically consistent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Can't stop Michael Moore and should not expect Hillary to stop either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasBushwhacker
(20,044 posts)Hillary was. So when she made her "basket full of deplorables", it doesn't matter if it was true. It hurt HER! She cooperated with the filmmakers making a documentary about her, knowing full well it would be released during election season.
So hear we are again, jogging the memories of the Hillary hating independents who held their noses and voted for Trump, Jill Stein or just stayed home. The attention she gets just riles up the Bernie or Bust-ers. Bernie's not going to shut up, because he's running. She may be able to hurt some people, but she CANNOT HELP ANYONE.
I never understood the Hillary haters, but I was never in denial that they existed in the millions. There are plenty of racists who feel the same way about Obama. For that reason, I'm glad he's laying low during the primary season. I wish the hell she would.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)It was a well orchestrated attack of the front runner.
Did Bernie apologize?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Time to move forward and not make the same mistakes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Why haven't Bernie's colleagues come forward to say that she's wrong?
So what did she get wrong about the number of Senators that endorsed him during that election?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)as coat tails for their own success.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)The film maker is a respected documentarian.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)To release it during the first post 2016 primary is a pure Trump and Bolton style exploitation of people's current misery.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)and the Hulu premier is after Super Tuesday, so there goes that theory.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)happened and it was most likely not an accident.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)so that a film maker could "exploit" the Iowa caucuses for publicity 52 years later.
Got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)sit down and shut up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)Nobody has to like it or think it was a good thing to say.
If she can't see the horrible impact this is going to have on whomever the Dem nominee is, then she should get better advisers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)on a daily basis and have for four years now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)But centrists need to realize that shitting on progressives for the entire primary and then putting on the shocked face when they aren't super exited about the people that have been shitting on them for the whole time isn't going to help things.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Everything under the sun is democrats fault according to progressives. Go look at their twitter accounts. They trash centrist pretty hard and what? won't they need their votes come November?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)we did run a centrist in 2016. After shitting on Sanders pretty hard. So one might understand why people think this.
A lot of people feel running to the middle isn't the answer. I tend to agree. The polling for Sanders right now seems to support that others feel that, too, in pretty good numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)Everyone sees things differently. Biden's numbers are better than Bernie's especially in the south. What I see among my peers and people I talk to is that it will be pretty hard to plug their nose and vote for Bernie should he be t he nominee. Time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)You mean the south that we aren't going to win because those states will go R?
Those people should realize that a lot of progressives plugged their noses and voted for a centrist they didn't want in 2016. Suck it up.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)speaking truth to power. I remember when Democrats thought that was a good thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)What she says carries weight.
And so Sanders is power now? From what I read on here, he doesn't have any chance of winning anything. So, by that logic, she's punching down. Which is a Republican tactic. You can't have it both ways. Sanders can't both be hopeless and power. Pick one. And stick with that one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)None. Shes a private citizen. Sanders is a U.S. Senator, a powerful position.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)The former first lady of the United States and Arkansas, former Senator, former Sec of State, and successful lawyer is devoid of power and somehow she managed, on a documentary being made about her average everyday life, to speak truth to the power that she is certainly not part of.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Thus private citizen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So you agree that demands that she should SHUT UP and go away are ridiculous?
And more than a little sexist with the "she should take up knitting" type insults, because women past their appeal to young white men are supposed to disappear.
Nevertheless she persists, and speaks truth to power. Candidates running for POTUS shouldn't expect their colleagues, former and current, to be restricted to speaking only that which flatters them. If a candidate can't survive honest reports of their relevant personal working style, they really shouldn't be running.
She was selected most admired woman in the world for 20 years running, has led an amazing life, with a unique and valuable first hand perspective on a historic stolen election, and journalists and historians want to interview her.
That really piques some men, apparently.
The OUTRAGE that she talks about her time in the Senate, and about her 2016 campaign opponent is really ironic considering that her opponent became part of the 1% off writing and selling a book about the 2016 campaign in which he complained about her.
But maybe you can tell me how many of Sanders' Senate colleagues have rushed to his defense to say what HRC said in that interview is wrong.
Perhaps it's Bernie that needs those advisors...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,867 posts)I don't think what she is saying is helpful. I also don't think that she is saying it now is a good optic. It looks like she is refighting 2016. Just be done.
But, again, she absolutely should say what she wants. I am under no obligation to think it's a good fucking idea that she say it.
And maybe Bernie's colleagues don't want to get into what seems like a petty fight.
And he seems to be doing just fine as he gains in the polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)A petty fight would be sending out surrogates to attack someone who once talked about them in a way that's been supported in fact, after becoming a millionaire writing a book that complained about the other person, wouldn't it?
Or calling someone else 'silly' for 'talking about' a previous election when one wrote an entire book about said election, and being less than complimentary about said election.
Bad optics indeed.
But you didn't say if you've heard any of Sanders' Senate colleagues coming out and saying that HRC was wrong about what she said.
Because certainly they would, if she was wrong, don't you think?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,138 posts)"Some people say I am very hard to work with. They say I can be a real son of a bitch. They say I can be nasty, I don't know how to get along with people. Well, maybe there's some truth to it."
"I'm not good at backslapping. I'm not good at pleasantries. If you have your birthday I'm not going to call you up to congratulate you."
What Hillary said is obviously true. Bernie didn't seem bothered by it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And he said "maybe there's some truth to it", not "nobody likes me". So, no, what Hillary said isn't true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)but it is just something I thought happened.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He seems to have a lot of people as campaign staff who have displayed hostility to the Democratic party.
Seems to support what Hillary stated.
You have to admit that she was correct about only one Senator endorsing him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,378 posts)1. Sanders wont be the nominee, and
2. A significant number of Sanders supporters will do what they did in 2016 and not support our nominee if it isnt Sanders, and
3. Sanders will once again stay in it too long because he has the funding though not the votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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still_one
(91,966 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,966 posts)"Ms Greenspan"
the intent being to diminish her status or accomplisments, whether one agrees or disagrees with them
and some still don't grasp it
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dismissive at best.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,151 posts)improvement over what we got though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,461 posts)People who keep dredging this up. DROP IT.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)BTW, good luck to Amy on Monday. She's really been on a roll lately!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peace06
(248 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:08 PM - Edit history (1)
BELIEVE IT!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hillary did EXACTLY what Sanders did in 2016, only she did it before a SINGLE VOTE WAS CAST and Sanders did it after he had been mathematically eliminated from any possibility of being the nominee.
So don't give me that crap.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Sanders is not the nominee.
Not a single vote has been cast, yet Bernie was decrying how terrible Hillary was in 2016 after there was no mathematical possibility he could win the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Why attack candidates from the sidelines? For what purpose? Especially after all Bernie did to help her in the GE in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Nobody likes Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And you STILL haven't explained why, if it was a false statement, are Sanders' colleagues not coming out and saying that it was false?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And if she does do events in the hypothetical event that he wins the votes for nomination, I hope that she's provided with a chartered jet to each one, and he stands behind her and smiles while she recites how many pledged delegates she won before she praises his qualifications for office with, "We can't have Trump in the White House."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pansypoo53219
(20,908 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)Leaning Bernie, Warren, or Yang. But really anyone but Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)of working with others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Not the signs of a good leader. A good leader works well with others. A good leader is able to find common ground and mutual beneficial interests. A good leader knows how to swallow their pride and hurt feelings. A good leader knows that pouting never accomplished anything. A good leader knows that giving the world the "silent treatment" only creates more friction and resentment. A good leader understands that compromise in the name of progress is a good thing.
I will only vote for a candidate who demonstrates that they have the demeanor and temperament and aptitude to be a good leader.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,152 posts)The Republican Party still going strong as the two work together in harmony.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,220 posts)I don't have much thought on that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Vivienne235729
(3,373 posts)After HRC was the official nominee and it took him FOREVER to get on board. FOREVER. He lost me then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BendigoJeff
(31 posts)Supporting the Iraq war... flip flopping for gay marriage support when it supports her interests... I can't support someone like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But experience is important, as the current POTUS shows.
That's why I can't support someone without political experience.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheRealNorth
(9,435 posts)We believe it was more about political expediency.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)but everyone else is incapable of the same, with change only indicating corrupt pandering, or "imitating what they have always said."
Such a politician never admits that they have ever made any mistakes, claiming only that they "didn't know" something was going on, even in their own campaign, when such a politician takes pride themselves on being in control of everything in their campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)And I will defend HRC's right to speak the truth.
Sorry that you don't like it, but that's just how it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And when they learn it is, then they should start learning more about why the real Bernie Sanders is so disliked and ineffective in office.
Or take a huge clue and move on to other choices.
(Amazement that partisan reaction isn't stronger could come later, DanTex.)
So proper and professionally restrained. If only we could hear the Sanders stories colleagues trade in private. The video of Sanders boorishly knocking 80+-year-old Senator Feinstein aside on the senate floor and her swatting at him in response comes to mind. She obviously wasn't surprised by him, but it'd be nice to know what was behind Sanders' current pique of temper and contempt or if that was his normal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,418 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)People need to stop whining.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)rather than simply another chunk thrown at the wall in the hope something (anything!) sticks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)she's earned the right to say whatever she damn well wants...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,082 posts)... she isn't running. And frankly, I think she's mostly right.
One of my colleagues was a congressional staffer years ago, and she described him as "brusque, unfriendly, and generally dismissive."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)She did NOT say that nobody in the country likes him. She stated that he doesn't really get along with others in the Senate. If you disagree with that, fine, but let's stop inferring that she ever said nobody in the country likes him. She did not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sparkly
(24,141 posts)Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden