Why is Hillary doubling down on attacking a Dem candidate?

[floppyboo]

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She was on tv again, defending her poo poo on you bernie stance. How is anyone finding this ok?

Edit: Jan. 31 podcast with Emily Tisch https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?emc=rss&partner=rss

not tv - my bad - but cnn re-aired it on tv, so maybe ok? anyways, this was after her 'nobody likes bernie' remark and she just comes back in again with no apology.

[betsuni]

1. Where?

I'd like to watch.

[floppyboo]

12. here.

DES MOINES — Hillary Clinton said on Friday in a podcast interview that Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters did not do enough to unify the Democratic Party after the prolonged 2016 primary, calling the behavior of his supporters “distressing” and saying it affected the general election.

more at link:
https://www.enmnews.com/2020/02/01/hillary-clinton-slams-bernie-sanders-for-not-working-to-unite-democrats-in-2016/

[betsuni]

26. That's the same podcast, not a new appearance on TV.

Thanks anyway.

[floppyboo]

41. ya, there was another one with a woman interviewer. will post when i find it

cnn put a bit about it this morning. She has shoulder length light brown (dyed for sure) hair... they were interviewing her on her interview. I'm not so good at searching around for this stuff, but I'm sure it will surface.

[I_M_Blue_2]

186. Why are we trying to lose this election, our democracy is in danger

My mother taught me when I was a child, if you do not have something nice to say don't say anything at all. That should be the golden rule here about our candidates. President Trump is a clear and present danger to our country and our way of life. We must cut out the cancer he represents. We will not do that by fighting based on things that happened in 2016. Stop it, please.

[Go Vols]

218. for real

If Hillary has nothing nice to say about Bernie,she shouldn't say anything at all.

[floppyboo]

103. I've edited the OP to give you the link

[lapucelle]

119. HRC was asked a question and answered honestly. N/T

[HerbChestnut]

2. All valid questions. No idea.

[denem]

3. Correction: A candidate for the Dem nomination

Not a Dem candidate.

[floppyboo]

8. not true. He is a member of the Democratic Party. Stop this mis information slur!

The pledge Sanders signed was given to all active Democratic presidential campaigns last week. It affirms to the DNC chairman that they "are a Democrat ... are a member of the Democratic Party; will accept the Democratic nomination; and will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[Cha]

14. Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat, despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee unity tour with the party's new chair Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420249

[pnwmom]

23. Why did he register as an Independent for his next Senate race AFTER he registered as a Democrat

for the Presidential race?

[floppyboo]

25. because Vermont has different rules. Pretty simple. It works for that state

and a Senator that caucuses with the Dems more often than the majority of registered Dems is a good thing if it helps him win the seat.

[Bananaluver]

37. Dean is a Democrat, a strong voice for the Democratic Party. I don't buy it.

[pnwmom]

38. Vermont has NO RULE that required him to register as an Independent. That was his CHOICE

and reflects a lack of loyalty to the Democratic party. He would have no trouble getting elected as a Democrat in the state of Vermont, just as Patrick Leahy does.

He just chooses not to.

[floppyboo]

44. did you ever consider that he wanted to win a traditionally red state buy running as I ?

Bernie, and others turned Vermont around. I totally get that north east bit of the country - a bunch of anarchists really. You should be happy.

[pnwmom]

58. His popularity is very high in VT as you know. He should have stayed a Democrat

after he joined in 2016 and continued to work within the party.

[lapucelle]

121. VT has been a solidly blue state for longer than BS has been in Congress,

and that's a long time.

[Midwestern Democrat]

138. Traditionally, it was a liberal Yankee Republican state. In 2007, Peter Welch became only the

second Democrat elected to represent VT in the House since 1853 (the first was a one term wonder elected in the 1958 Democratic landslide who went down to defeat in 1960). Patrick Leahy remains the only Democrat to be elected to the US Senate from VT (and he first got elected during the 1974 Democratic landslide).

[lapucelle]

141. Hasn't VT voted blue in every presidential election in the last 30 years?

[JudyM]

181. Not true. From '64 to '92 VT was republican.

[lapucelle]

183. You're right...Bill Clinton flipped the formerly red Vermont blue!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election_in_Vermont

[JudyM]

184. When Sanders ran for Mayor the local Dems were in bed with big donors in VT and nothing was

getting done for the local citizens, that’s I think why he started as an Independent. There was some mini documentary floating around about that a couple months ago, I had no idea. Wish I could find it to post here because I know you’d love it 😈

[lapucelle]

187. Those who missed the "mini documentary" at the Sundance Film Festival

can catch it on Hulu.

[Pachamama]

156. +100000

Exactly

The truth doesn’t fit the BS narrative.

[karynnj]

217. In Vermont citizens do not register by party, BUT those running for office can get party nominations

and run with that party listed with their name. Hermiston the Democratic primary, then opted to run as independent with no one running as Democratic in 2018.

In Burlington, there are three parties. Democratic, progressive and the smallest of all, Republican. Bernie ran as independent , then progressive as Burlington mayor. State wide, he has run as independent.

[trueblue2007]

73. B.S. Independent for his next Senate race AFTER he registered as a Democrat

ADMIT IT ..... BS ISN'T A DEMOCRAT!!!

[Thekaspervote]

67. Oh and that's why he already filed paper work to run in 24 as an independent?!

It’s gonna be great when he returns to the senate

[floppyboo]

68. That's Vermont. Lots of info out there about registering in Vermont.

Bernie likes to win. Do you?

[NCProgressive]

72. Patrick Leahy, the senior senator from Vermont has always been a Democrat

and ran as a Democrat from Vermont.

No flimsy excuses please.

[MrsCoffee]

105. Bullshit excuse.

Not even a good try.

Leahy has been a Democratic Senator in Vermont since 1975.

Give. It. Up.

[I_M_Blue_2]

188. Aha, you all want Bernie running as an Independent in the GE,

Since you don't want him in the Democratic Primary. Talk about a gift for Donald Trump, he would love that. But I would not. Trump must go.

[we can do it]

122. BS is not a Democrat.

[yardwork]

131. Since when?!

[wyldwolf]

147. A Democrat out of convenience - but only in presidential runs.

Real Democrats of all stripes should be able to recognize he's using the party apparatus he in no way helped build.

Michael Bloomberg has helped the Democratic party more than Sanders has.

[ehrnst]

174. Then his DC office staff hasn't been told.

He is only running on the Democratic ticket. He votes and serves as an "I"

Call his office - they'll tell you that he's only a Democrat when campaiging in the primary. The rest of the time he is an independent.

Let us know how that goes.

That pledge, BTW, is not a legal document.

[Gothmog]

190. Your claim is false

sanders has already filed to run for senate as an independent (sanders knows that he will not be the nominee)

[Zolorp]

210. IF he's a Dem, why did he just set up his Senate re-election campaign as an Independent?

I call bullshit on the "Dem" nonsense.

If he's a Dem, he should be running as a Dem for his Senate seat, otherwise, he's an Independent.

[W_HAMILTON]

4. To keep people from making the same mistakes in 2020 that they did in 2016.

[floppyboo]

18. We have different ideas of the mistakes made in 2016. It isn't 2016.

[lapucelle]

123. HRC will do her utmost to ensure that toxic factions are neutralized & that a Democrat wins.

She is in the unique position of being able to tell the truth without having to pay a political price. And she's at the point where she doesn't care about whether the press "likes her".

She has a powerful voice and will call out the potential bad actors, obliquely or explicitly.

Just ask Tulsi Gabbard.

[aikoaiko]

126. Is that what she is doing? Seems the opposite to me.

[lapucelle]

127. It is absolutely what she's doing. She's calling out crap like this.

[aikoaiko]

129. Bringing dissenters into the fold will do us more good

Than attacking them.

It’s one of the reasons HRC lost.

[lapucelle]

132. Into what "fold"? Who hires people like this as senior staff?

[aikoaiko]

133. People not living in the past.

[lapucelle]

136. Wait...what?

[aikoaiko]

137. Seems like a different topic than the one we are discussing

But Ok. Yes talking about ones own record is “living in the past” too.

[lapucelle]

143. You said "the fold is people not living in the past". Are you sure you have the right "fold"?

[lapucelle]

145. So to recap: A politician running as a Democrat hired people who worked against Democrats

as senior staff in order to bring people into the fold of those who don't live in the past except when they are living in the past.

Got it.

[lapucelle]

135. HRC is well aware that members of a toxic faction helped put Trump in office.

She's not going to let it happen again.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

203. She won the popular vote by 3 million.

[aikoaiko]

205. It could have been 30 million, but she needed to win the EC

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

206. Obviously. But the point is that she was not so unpopular with voters

as has been suggested.

[lapucelle]

128. And she's calling out crap like this.

[lapucelle]

130. And she's calling out crap like this.

[Gothmog]

194. No one takes sanders seriously because all of his programs depend on a magical voter revolutioni

I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments of sanders and the fact that I do not understand sanders voter revolution The NYT also did not understand how sanders voter revolution works

Link to tweet

Like the NYT, I have questions about this voter revolution concept. I have asked sanders supporters to explain this concept to me and so far no one seems to know how this voter revolution will work in the real world https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=430371

Gothmog (78,308 posts)
64. Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world?

It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders’ platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?

I look forward to answers to these questions

sanders interview with the NYT may have gone better if he had explained how this revolution would work in the real world. I am still curious

[Cha]

22. Exactly. And, why are these BS surrogates ATTACKING DEMS?

Michael Moore: All Obama Will Be Remembered For Is Being The "First Black President"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dorsey/michael-moore-all-obama-will-be-remembered-for-is-being-the

Link to tweet

Sirota's LIES about Hillary the night before the General Election



Susan Sarandon Says ‘We Would Be At War’ If Hillary Clinton Had Won

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/susan-sarandon-hillary-clinton-war_n_5a1b82d7e4b06494807542c0

[lapucelle]

139. "HRC is attacking Democrats"...No, she's putting ONE campaign on notice.

So proud that HRC is willing to take the incoming fire to protect Democrats from the pervasive predatory culture of a toxic faction.

[msongs]

5. why do some candidates spend 50 years doubling down on attacking the dems party? nt

[floppyboo]

6. Because 65 years ago they wouldn't have to? nt

[showblue22]

10. As long as there are people trashing democrats you should expect democrats to fight back.

You want them to grin and bear the attacks?

[DemocracyMouse]

13. Thank you! 🙏🏼

[floppyboo]

21. I expect trashing of Dems from the GOP would be met with mighty frontal attacks

In fighting with diplomacy

[showblue22]

27. So do I but that is not what is happening, is it?

People here say Hillary is the establishment. Bernie yells and screams attacks about "the establishment" almost everyday so Hillary is defending herself and "the establishment."

[Thekaspervote]

99. No it isn't!! And here's sanders when asked about booing HRC.. could have done the right thing

And asked his followers not to do that

Link to tweet

?s=21

[mcar]

157. Sanders did not respond

Says it all, doesn't it?

[ehrnst]

170. I never heard any response from Sanders on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/25/lock-her-up-sanders-trump-clinton-chant

[comradebillyboy]

176. He's ok with it all. It's how he rolls.

[showblue22]

7. Because she feels like it.

Why is Micheal Moore on TV trashing democrats?

[floppyboo]

9. Why is Hillary trashing Democrats?

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[showblue22]

11. He said that last time too and it was not quite true.

[floppyboo]

15. Vermont has a different system. It was absolutely true. stop spreading falsehoods!

[showblue22]

19. What I am saying is 100% true.

What his definition of supporting the nominee is different from what others would expect.

[floppyboo]

30. well, you just brought in a subjective thing - others would expect. Who?

Who are these 'others'? You see, there were many many others that expected and paid for Sanders to be there. He doesn't let people down. That's one reason he is so popular.
I don't think (my subjective now ) he could have done otherwise without a whole scale revolt. Which would have been way way worse.

[showblue22]

32. I'm not sure it would have been worse.

Threats get old. Sooner or later people will just say, bring it on and that just means 4 more years of Trump.

[floppyboo]

79. But that's really bad! Like way way worse! You can't believe that.

I'm going to believe you don't or you wouldn't be here! Imagine if Bernie broke his promise to 45% of the dem primary voters, 35% (if I remember correctly) said they would not vote or vote 3rd party if he didn't make it to the convention. That would have completely destroyed any legitimacy of the Dems popular vote Victory! You must see that. It was something that had to be done. I think in the long run it was the best decision, as only 8% of Sanders supporters jumped ship. That's pretty good historically.

[Thekaspervote]

93. Here's what's destroying the "victory vote"

Link to tweet

?s=21

[NCProgressive]

74. See Post #72

[MrsCoffee]

107. You are the one spreading falsehoods. Sen. Leahy, Democratic Senator from Vermont since '75.

All over this thread you are projecting.

[CentralMass]

182. See https://www.democraticunderground.com/?comview_post&forum1287&pid462588

[sweetloukillbot]

149. Explain this different system

Does Independent mean something different there?

The only people who call him a Democrat are his supporters, and even they usually just say he supports "Democratic ideals" or he is "Like FDR".

If he's a Democrat now, why is he still listed as an Independent on the Senate rolls"

He's running for the Democratic nomination for President. He still has an I after his name.

[mcar]

158. Then why is Leahy a Democrat?

Also, Howard Dean.

[Cha]

55. WHY Are BS Surrogates Trashing Democrats?!

Michael Moore: All Obama Will Be Remembered For Is Being The "First Black President"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dorsey/michael-moore-all-obama-will-be-remembered-for-is-being-the

Link to tweet

Sirota's LIES about Hillary the night before the General Election



Susan Sarandon Says ‘We Would Be At War’ If Hillary Clinton Had Won

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/susan-sarandon-hillary-clinton-war_n_5a1b82d7e4b06494807542c0

[Thekaspervote]

69. Why are you trashing democrats? Nose...meet face

[lapucelle]

125. HRC is not trashing Democrats. She's calling out crap like this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

134. Good question!! And where's the loyalty to Bernie?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

204. Maybe because people pretending to be Democrats have been trashing her

for the last four years?

[DemocracyMouse]

16. VOTE AGAINST TRUMP. Period.

[whistler162]

142. That is November 3rd

right now it is berniebot time wanting trade one Elderly White Angry Male New Yorker for another.

[DemocracyMouse]

179. That's, um, kind of divisive.

The New Yorker reported yesterday that Sanders polls the highest against Trump. In the service of flushing out the horror of Trump, I'd vote for Sanders... even if I think Warren might be my first preference. They have similar platforms, so honestly, I'd be happy with either... And yes, I'll vote for any damn Democrat in the general

[ehrnst]

199. Well, with the GOP pushing for him, that's not surprising...

He's their candidate and they always come out for him in the Primaries.

President Trump’s advisers see Senator Bernie Sanders as their ideal Democratic opponent in November and have been doing what they can to elevate his profile and bolster his chances of winning the Iowa caucuses, according to Republicans familiar with the plans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020

[DemocracyMouse]

17. UNITE PEOPLE! And while you're at it, support the union movement!

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

20. "I do not consider myself a Democrat"

Next complaint on Hillary.

[floppyboo]

24. easy to take out of context.

My next complaint on Hillary: She is abusing her media messaging power to take down a Democratic nominee.
She is a private citizen and as such can say what ever she wants. But she is tearing the party up doing so.
No one should be happy with this, unless you want to lose.

Edit: And I'm not saying this just as a HUGE Sanders fan. It won't help Joe, or anyone else

[showblue22]

29. A lot of people are tearing the party up.

Have you checked out some of Bernie's surrogates twitter feed?

[floppyboo]

33. I don't do twitter. It is evil.

[Cha]

48. Yes because you say "twitter is evil" doesn't make it so.

[Thekaspervote]

78. Laughable!

[floppyboo]

80. I'll pray for you

[Thekaspervote]

81. From "evil" twitter bernie declares the democratic party to be "intellectually bankrupt

Link to tweet

?s=21

[floppyboo]

85. I will not be tempted by you evil blue links! Back I say!

I seriously won't look at twitter. I really believe it is destroying critical thinking. I think maybe Steve Bannon invented it with Pope Benedict LOL!!~!! Not going there! You can't have a real discussion with so few words. All you can do is hook people into reacting - and at lightening speed! WooHoo! Pathetic means of any kind of meaningful discourse.

[Thekaspervote]

95. 330 million people would disagree

[floppyboo]

97. the force is strong with this one

[mcar]

160. Do you read DU?

Many of those foul tweets attacking other candidates have been copied here.

[ehrnst]

175. That's one way to dismiss evidence that contradicts your statements.

[Cha]

31. Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat, despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee unity tour with the party's new chair Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420249

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. First of all, you should probably learn the difference between a "nominee" and a "candidate".

Nobody's a "nominee" until the nominating convention. Secondly, Hillary's doing a public service for concerned "Democrats".

[floppyboo]

50. wrong

The pledge Sanders signed was given to all active Democratic presidential campaigns last week. It affirms to the DNC chairman that they "are a Democrat ... are a member of the Democratic Party; will accept the Democratic nomination; and will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. So the "nominee" has made a new pledge?

[floppyboo]

54. huh? what's wrong with the first one?

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[sweetloukillbot]

152. You just posted that he signed it last week

The article is a year old

[sheshe2]

200. He also signed a unity pledge.

That went well.

[Thekaspervote]

75. My next message... 65 million. That's how Many voters Hillary had. Think he can win without

Them..then keep defending your position.

[Gothmog]

196. I agree with Martin O'Malley about sanders

Link to tweet

[Drunken Irishman]

28. Well she's technically not attacking a Dem...

Bernie has said, time and time again, he is not a Democrat.

[floppyboo]

35. wrong

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[Cha]

40. RIGHT! Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat, despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee unity tour with the party's new chair Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420249

[Cha]

49. lol.. he doesn't believe BS when he says he's NOT a Dem..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat, despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee unity tour with the party's new chair Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420249

[chillfactor]

34. maybe because sanders is NOT a Democrat

and other candidates are?

[floppyboo]

36. wrong

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[Cha]

42. RIGHT! "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat, despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee unity tour with the party's new chair Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420249

[Bananaluver]

39. Speaking truth. I always do well with the truth.

[DanieRains]

43. Bernie Is More A Roosevelt Democrat

Than a regular Democrat.

[Cha]

45. BS says he's Not a Dem..: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" From 2017..

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat, despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee unity tour with the party's new chair Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420249

[floppyboo]

47. And regular is broke with thanks to twittwad45. So let's get on with it!

[Thekaspervote]

82. Please don't put those 2 names together!!

[betsuni]

91. Why?

[Cha]

98. Excellent question. If someone is going to say something

bizarre like that.. they should have reasons.

[betsuni]

104. I have a feeling there are not going to be any reasons.

[lapucelle]

146. Roosevelt was a regular Democrat and Roosevelt Democrats were and are regular Democrats.

Sorry, but non-Democrats are not entitled to co-opt the Democratic Party legacy to advance their agenda.

When asked at a press conference about the roots of his political philosophy, FDR responded simply, “I am a Christian and a Democrat.”

[sheshe2]

201. Bernie is no Roosevelt. nt

[Mike Nelson]

51. Maybe she's...

... speaking her mind? I believe she said she would support the candidate - and I think she will...

... by the way, Bernie should meet every criticism with kind words for Hillary Clinton. When he gets asked about her, the media always pulls out a negative comment from either of them.... From the start, he should have only said stuff like... how she won the vote... great career... strong woman... admire her...

Bernie has the Bernie voters - he needs the Obama and Hillary voters. He could have been way out in front... get rid of the staff slamming the past Dems... he had this... I'm not understanding it at all!

[floppyboo]

53. I haven't heard him dwelling on 2016 or Hillary at all

Perhaps things are taken out of context?
I would like him to remind the party, maybe behind closed doors, of some of the more glaring mistakes of the 2016 GE, but I haven't heard that yet. I'm sure he's got a bunch of good advise though

[showblue22]

56. He hasn't reached out to Hillary's voters at all

Maybe he doesn't think he needs them.

[Mike Nelson]

59. That is a mistake...

... in my opinion. We will see how it goes... he will need to do that to win... of course, Trump never reached out much beyond his "base" (and they are base) either... I hope it's not a new model for successful politicians.

[Thekaspervote]

83. Yup! 65 million of us... and he's doing everything he can to piss us off!!

[Mike Nelson]

57. Yes, they are...

... the media does that with both of them. The media likes "conflict" it seems... maybe the media got bored with the Bernie v Elizabeth Warren "woman as president" battle? That seemed to help Bernie... he rose in the polls and she slipped. I do hear stuff about Hillary coming from the Bernie side, still, and maybe it gets to her... I say let her speak and say nothing negative in return.

[showblue22]

61. Hillary doesn't have an election to lose.

Bernie does. But.. I think Bernie is looking at a different coalition that does not include Hillary's voters and maybe that's why he is embracing Joe Rogan types.

[Mike Nelson]

63. How many "Rogan types" are in the Democratic primaries?

... I don't think Bernie sought Rogan's "support" - I don't think it was a coveted prize!

[showblue22]

64. He was bragging about his support.

He went on his show and later bragged about his support.

[sheshe2]

202. There is Cenk.

Two are way to many.

[RandySF]

60. What? The Hulu documentary?

[floppyboo]

62. don't think so. It was presented as new on the news, which is my take away

it was on cnn - so someone - if it is a repeat - but I think it was a reply to Hirona - is trying really hard to keep this alive. And that is shameful. As Bush said: shame me once ahh, I'll smile. send in the bombs.

Bernie is running as a Democrat. This poo flinging must stop

[floppyboo]

65. No, not the Hulu thing. It was on Friday Jan 31 - a podcast with Emily Tisch

as reported in DesMoines Register: (not helpful with anyone associated with that administration)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?emc=rss&partner=rss

[Pachamama]

66. Poo poo?

Are we in 1st grade?

[floppyboo]

70. is doo doo better? I try to keep out of the alert zone ;)

I have many other words pachamama. wow, with that moniker you MUST be voting for the Dem candidate endorsed by the Sunrise Movement, and not the guy they gave the F-

[Pachamama]

90. Keep it classy

[lapucelle]

207. Have you gotten to the part yet where the poo flinger morphs into a soul-selling succubus?

[Cha]

94. No.. both of them are Disrespectful and you should know that.

[lapucelle]

148. Apparently telling the truth about a toxic faction during the 2016 general election campaign

to put them on notice that it will be called out if they try to do it again is "poo flinging".

Truth the telling in the service of making sure that a Democrat wins in 2020 seems to have some people rankled.

[Gothmog]

191. sanders is a weak and unelectable candidate who would be destroyed by trump

[NCProgressive]

71. I stand with Hillary Clinton

I wish she would do more of these interviews and campaign against Bernie, appealing to her supporters to not vote for him.

It is for the good of the Democratic party and the country.

[Thekaspervote]

84. OMG!!! The voice of sanity...thank you!!

[betsuni]

92. +1

[Pachamama]

102. -+100000

[Gothmog]

192. I also stand with Hilllary Clinton

[Amimnoch]

76. She's not beholden to anyone.

She's not a candidate.
She's not holding any public office at all.
Total private citizen now with the full ability to say what's on her mind with the same impunity of those like Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon..

So.. given that..

I'm going to condemn her words here with the same dedication, and fervor as BS's acolytes condemn the words of those like Moore and Sarandon when they attack our ACTUAL Democratic Party candidates.

[NYMinute]

77. Awwwwwwwwwww

Someone is having a sad ....

Hillary must be doing something right!

[Cha]

87. ..

[betsuni]

89. +1

[Grokenstein]

86. Spot the difference!

(Gabbard trashes Democrats constantly)
Pseudoprogressives: "She's right, you know. How dare you attempt to deny her freedom of speech!"

(Hillary criticizes the guy with the (I) after his name)
Pseudoprogressives: "How?? How can you just stand there and let her get away with this??"

Me, I'm just waiting for the "vote blue no matter who" mantra to be replaced with "Ratfucking! Ratfucking! Everyone stay home on election day because _______ isn't pure enough and Both Sides Bad!!" after the primary.

...You remember, just like last time. Hell, some people aren't even waiting.

[betsuni]

88. [phone]

[Kurt V.]

96. the difference between 2016 and now is enormous. then, we had a fairly uninspired

electorate. now ppl are terrified. so this will be nothing like last time.

[floppyboo]

100. No, wrong. It was NOT just like last time. Last time was much more unifying

You know that in 2008 16% of PUMA's voted for McCain, terrified by something promising to be new, and in 2016, only 8% didn't vote or stayed home because there was nothing new.
Do you want to lose again?

[NYMinute]

101. fake statistics

No one can calculate how many stayed home on purpose vs didn't vote for other reasons - like a medical emergency.

The word on the street was to make Hillary lose so that Bernie will have another shot.

[MrsCoffee]

108. Yep, pulled right outta....

[Scurrilous]

219. This one is hilarious.

'I also really like freshly killed fish.' 'Do you ever eat live kill?'

[lapucelle]

153. Here's some data for you..

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

154. Here's some more data for you.

Link to tweet

[mcar]

162. So much for unity

[lapucelle]

163. When the truth isn't on your side, call the truth "poo" and feign outrage.

I love that HRC is willing to take all the incoming fire to ensure that there is no repeat of the disgraceful events of the 2016 general election campaign.

And it's effective. Just ask Tulsi

[brer cat]

164. Thanks for adding this to the thread. nt

[mcar]

161. You got it!

[Sienna86]

106. When we attack other candidates we are doing the work of Putin.

Our attacks make him happy. We are serving the role of trolls and bots.

[floppyboo]

110. so, has hillary sold her soul? Surely you are not suggesting this

It was regrettable, and she still has time to apologize.
editing for a prayerful moment ...

...

ok done. ya, Go Bernie - the only candidate that can beat Satan! (and those other ones that are not candidates. maybe vapors? or succubus?)

[Cha]

180. What the hell you talkin about.. "Hillary selling her soul", floppy?!!!!

[Gothmog]

193. Hillary knows that trump would easily destory a weak candidate like sanders

In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders

[NurseJackie]

109. She's right, you know? I'm glad she's sharing her belief that Bernie lacks leadership skills.

She's right, you know? I'm glad she's sharing her belief that Bernie lacks leadership skills. She's not attacking. She's just talking about that which too many people are "afraid" to discuss. She's shining a light on the elephant in the room.

And for that, I applaud and thank her. This needs to be acknowledged and discussed. Hillary knows.

and she just comes back in again with no apology.

[lapucelle]

165. Only one candidate can beat satan and maybe a succubous or vapor who is not a candidate

and even poo flingers who may have sold their souls.

After a prayerful moment, you too might see the vision of triumph over satan, succubi, and poo flingers.

[lapucelle]

167. If you look into the sun and squint, maybe you'll see a soul-selling poo-slinger

with cash in one hand and poo in the other.

[Gothmog]

111. Has sanders finally joined the party?

Has sanders fired the stein supporters running his campaign? Is that liar Sirota still working for sanders? Has sanders distanced himself from Sarandon?

[Croney]

144. Exactly.

[quickesst]

112. she hasn't

There is a huge difference between a Dem candidate and a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[floppyboo]

117. but you see, I think that's just the problem.

No one seems sure who the Democrat is.
In words, Joe and Bernie seem to be exactly the same on policy - except for single payer. And student debt. But in each case, and more, like zero carbon emissions and immigration and and - they both agree on what the end game is. They are very much the same in this, as are all the Dem candidates.
But having a dream as a floating out there ideal (that would be Biden) and as something to tackle and take a bite out of (that's Sanders) are significantly different positions on the team.
superbowl metaphors to be filled in later, as I know nothing about football

Go get the 45 fucker! Both of ya - all of ya! Go! And on your way, figure out who's got the best game plan, but it's all heading in the same direction beyound the years of plank head. (he does have a rather vertical profile)

[quickesst]

155. I think it's clear...

.... As to who has the best chance to take out 45. Poll after poll shows that Joe Biden has the best chance to do just that. It will then be the time to argue the merits of each approach to Healthcare in America when we are actually in a better position politically to do so. As far as the primaries go, I cannot vote for someone who keeps a wool sweater labeled Democrat in his closet, and is only donned when it is advantageous to him, only to be mothballed once it is no longer an advantage. That's just the way I feel about things. Joe Biden is our best hope to replace Donald Trump. It is the logical choice.

[lapucelle]

178. Between Biden and BS "no one knows who the Democrat is"?

[Gothmog]

195. You are wrong

Link to tweet

[Joinfortmill]

113. Becsuse it's true.

[stonecutter357]

114. Hillary is 100% accurate !

[Demsrule86]

115. How about "I'm not classy"...boo,boo.

Sanders should have helped Hillary more and with the 'establishment' crap spewing from the campaign...is it any wonder? Did you see what Martin O'Malley had to say about it. And I hear he is going around saying a vote for Warren is a vote for Biden.

[apcalc]

116. So far a I am concerned this causes MORE DIVISION.

STOP

[floppyboo]

120. It's a pretty dramatic divide. How would you solve it?

[TheFarseer]

118. Blaming everyone but yourself

For your election loss is lame. Has she ever come out and said she did anything wrong in 2016? All I ever hear is how everyone screwed her. Never once mentioned anything she could have done differently.

[BlueMTexpat]

124. Bernie is only, always and ever

a "Democrat of convenience;" he is still listed as an Independent for his Senate seat/campaigning.

If you look at his record, he changed from a party where he routinely lost elections to be an "Independent," and that is how he FINALLY won an election. He first campaigned as a "Democrat" in 2016 to piggyback on DNC resources to get the exposure he needed, all the while moaning, groaning about and bashing the DNC.

Then he shucked the "Democrat" label to be an "Independent" again.

He reinstated his "Democrat" status in 2019 - while still being counted as an "Independent" in the Senate - only to be able to run in Dem primaries in 2020. This occurred once again to piggyback on and use DNC resources, debate venues, etc. for his candidacy, once again all the while bashing the DNC and other Democrats.

Once Hillary became a Democrat, she stayed that way. Nearly all of her many accomplishments - which Bernie can never even hope to equal - occurred while she was a Democrat. She is only stating the truth about him. His colleagues find him very difficult to work with.

Democrats like me - and Hillary - certainly have a right to be very leery of what SBS says and does. And to criticize him.

He has not ever proven to me that he IS a Democrat. He assumes the label for convenience sake.

[whistler162]

140. I thought she commented on Sanders

did she add something about a Democrat?

[Blues Heron]

150. Hillary's always had a tin ear about these things

Part of the reason we have Trump now - she couldn't seal the deal.

[lapucelle]

168. HRC doesn't have a tin ear about these things.

She's putting any toxic faction on notice that they can expect to be called out in real time before the damage is done.

After the lies about Joe Biden and the twitter attacks on Elizabeth Warren, someone has to step up, confront anti-Democratic Party operatives head on, and take the incoming fire so our candidate doesn't have to.

Ask Tulsi Gabbard how it works.

[lapucelle]

151. Bri Bri should feel free to listen to the explanation of why she's being called out

BEFORE she does it again.

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[Skid Rogue]

159. Sanders has made it clear,

time and time again, that he doesn't consider himself a Democrat.

Nonetheless, Clinton's comments are a great distraction for the Bernie trolls, like waving a favorite toy in front of a kitten. If they're busy attacking her, they are laying off the legitimate Democratic candidates who are actually running for the nomination.

[Quixote1818]

166. Maybe she doesn't like Sanders because on so many issues he lead and she followed years later?

Iraq War, Gay Marriage, Banking, Immigration, War on Drugs, Patriot Act etc. etc. etc.

[Gothmog]

169. Hillary Clinton has good reason to be concerned about the damage that sanders is inflicting

Link to tweet

[Fla Dem]

171. Hillary isn't a candidate and holds no public office.

She's a private citizen and can say what she wants. She has no obligation to praise Bernie. Nor is she under any obligation to not be critical of his platform, his organization, or his and/or his surrogates' actions.

Bernie and his surrogates get plenty of licks in against Democrats and the Democratic Party.

[TexasBushwhacker]

173. There's a difference between correct and effective

Does she have the right to say anything she wants about Bernie? Of course. But does her Bernie bashing help her or the Democratic Party as a whole? Absolutely not. For the record, I feel the same way about Michael Moore. Save the bashing for Trump and Trump alone.

[Fla Dem]

185. I frankly feel the same way. If you have criticism, direct it at Trump.

A candidate can argue for their position, plan, strategy without directly criticizing someone else outright. Unfortunately not all the candidates or their surrogates are that diplomatic. And yes the media laps it up and spit it out anytime there is any dissension in the rank and file and blows it totally out of proportion; "The Dems are fighting ", "Dissension in the Democratic Primary", yada, yada, yada. They have to sell papers.

My only point was as you restated, HRC is not a candidate and can say anything she wants. Is it a good thing? Probably no.

[Gothmog]

172. Clinton has reason to worry about trump beating a weak socialist candidate

Link to tweet

?s=20

[marlakay]

209. All I can say is no one thought

Trump would win either being so different.

How do you know for sure that people don’t want a change?

[Gothmog]

211. Socialism polls poorly

Link to tweet

?s=20

[samnsara]

177. well......once upon a time on 2016...

[Gothmog]

189. Clinton had a ton a great oppo on sanders who is a weak and unelectable candidate

I regret that Clinton did not use this oppo on sanders in 2016 but no one took a weak candidate like sanders seriously and sanders was mathematically eliminated after the super Tuesday contests

Link to tweet

[YOHABLO]

197. She's playing a really dangerous game. It's not helping defeat Trump

[Gothmog]

212. Hillary knows that sanders and socialism would lose to trump in the real world

Link to tweet

?s=20

[YOHABLO]

213. Sorry not buying your poll. The WSJ and NBC? Really?

[Gothmog]

214. The real world does NOT care if you accept the facts here

Denial is not just a river in Africa. The real world is where the general election will be fought and facts matter in the real world. trump will run so many negative ads on socialism that it will be painful

sanders is a very weak general election candidate who trump would easily beat

[Gothmog]

220. Steve Schmidt warns that the sociopath will beat the socialist.

Link to tweet

[treestar]

198. She must be in favor of a different one

[Gore1FL]

208. She is either hoping for a draft Hillary movement or otherwise trying to stay politically relevant.

I don't think she is making a good case for either effort.

[MrsCoffee]

215. Right... She couldn't possibly be concerned for the future of the country.

Nope. As always, the haters will assign the most nefarious of motives to anything she says. Says more about them than it does her.

A) Obviously far too late and just snarky.
B) She will always be relevant. In the past, present and future.

[Gore1FL]

216. It didn't seem tyo show concern.

It seemed like a broadside against a potential Dem nominee.

Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry are relevant, too. I don't see them needling in the nomination phase for no readily apparent reason.

[Gothmog]

221. Socialsim loses

Link to tweet