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Trump's Worst Nightmare (Original Post) Donkees Feb 2020 OP
I was expecting to see ... left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #1
+1000 Biden or Bloomberg are his worst nightmares there is NO DOUBT. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #4
You would think after 5 years of campaigning this revolution would be farther along by now. UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #2
That's below the belt. Enough of the Dem purity tests. lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #7
What I mean is a lot of his followers have not been life long Dems. They are in the game UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #9
It's important to clarify that in the full context of this thread and your reply title. lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #16
Trump has said NJCher Feb 2020 #3
"Our Revolution" is neither ours nor a revolution. MineralMan Feb 2020 #5
Great ad. tiredtoo Feb 2020 #6
If the people want it then why is he not the most popular thing int he county right now? UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #10
It's going to be one heck of a fight dualboy24 Feb 2020 #19
A fascist revolution is all we can handle at one time, thanks. Hortensis Feb 2020 #8
Populism is toxic. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #11
Nope. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #12
trump would love to run against a weak and unelectable candidate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #13
trump would defeat a weak socialist candidate like sanders easily Gothmog Feb 2020 #14
Nope. Not even close. Trump's much more worried about Biden and Bloomberg. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #15
Excellent video Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #17
Socialism polls poorly in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #18
Former Biden advisor: Socialism 'has no chance of beating Trump in 2020' Gothmog Feb 2020 #20
Steve Schmidt warns that the sociopath will beat the socialist. Gothmog Feb 2020 #21
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
1. I was expecting to see ...
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 11:59 AM
Feb 2020

I was expecting to see Michael Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. +1000 Biden or Bloomberg are his worst nightmares there is NO DOUBT. nt
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:03 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
2. You would think after 5 years of campaigning this revolution would be farther along by now.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:02 PM
Feb 2020

Instead Bernie enjoys 20% of Democratic support..if that since I think a lot of his followers are not true Dem's.

So there's that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
7. That's below the belt. Enough of the Dem purity tests.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:15 PM
Feb 2020

I'm sick of this Overton window slid so far right that there are tons of Dems bashing each other. Look at this thread. You're doing it right now.
So if you're going to sling that mud, I'm asking you to define "true Dems" for me here.
Because there is something very stinky in this, that smells of RW-esque greed lite.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
9. What I mean is a lot of his followers have not been life long Dems. They are in the game
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:49 PM
Feb 2020

because of him. And if he loses they will lose interest. NOT ALL OF THEM. Did I say all ?

And please don't come at me with insults. What you call mud I call truth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
16. It's important to clarify that in the full context of this thread and your reply title.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 05:19 PM
Feb 2020

Otherwise it's easily taken as not centrist enough. I've seen that very point blasted all over further "left" candidate supporters here, as I'm certain you've seen as well.
I get that "we got ours, get your own" attitude thrown at me ad nauseum from my lifelong democrat older boomer family too who easily afforded prestigious university degrees for what city college cost in my day after RayGun. Housing cost them less than 100 dollars a month for a house throughout their time, quadrupled by mine for a studio.
That being said, you just solidified the point I've made and been blown off about:
That our need this cycle to siphon off some of the former Trump voters may be paramount to winning this election.
Apologies if I came off insulting. My brothers pull the ignore and insult button when I tell them the above mentioned truth. I'm bashed regularly here for having "too liberal for this forum" views. Think that's not frustrating? It gets worse.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NJCher

(35,623 posts)
3. Trump has said
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:03 PM
Feb 2020

that Bernie would have been a tougher opponent than Hillary. However, one can't take anything he says seriously since he's such a liar.

However, even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
5. "Our Revolution" is neither ours nor a revolution.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:05 PM
Feb 2020

It is a minority, pretending to be the majority in the Democratic Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
6. Great ad.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:13 PM
Feb 2020

The people do indeed want a revolution!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
10. If the people want it then why is he not the most popular thing int he county right now?
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:51 PM
Feb 2020

You see what you want to see but I see REALITY.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dualboy24

(41 posts)
19. It's going to be one heck of a fight
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 02:30 AM
Feb 2020

Right now Sanders odds have been trending upwards and quite fast, both at the early states, and national, he has the highest odds on Iowa, and overall betting odds from 538 have him in the lead.

The real question is going to be how fast the field narrows and how it narrows.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. A fascist revolution is all we can handle at one time, thanks.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:20 PM
Feb 2020

Huge no to an attempted LW socialist "revolution," i.e., splinter faction drawing off 10% of the vote, that the hugely more powerful RW factions are encouraging, need even, and have already factored into their plans as a means to gain power.

More people need to realize fast that it not only can happen here but is happening.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

greatauntoftriplets

(175,729 posts)
12. Nope.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 12:56 PM
Feb 2020

His worst nightmare is not being the center of everything and receiving all the adulation he thinks he deserves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
13. trump would love to run against a weak and unelectable candidate like sanders
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:02 PM
Feb 2020

In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.

sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
14. trump would defeat a weak socialist candidate like sanders easily
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 03:10 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
15. Nope. Not even close. Trump's much more worried about Biden and Bloomberg.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 03:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,300 posts)
17. Excellent video
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 05:27 PM
Feb 2020

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
18. Socialism polls poorly in the real world
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 02:09 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
20. Former Biden advisor: Socialism 'has no chance of beating Trump in 2020'
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 05:51 PM
Feb 2020



And Moe Vela, the former Director of Administration for Vice President Joe Biden and current CEO of the Vela Group, is critical of Sanders’ self-proclaimed socialist ideas.

“I feel relatively confident that socialism, or anything close to it, has no chance of beating Trump in 2020,” Vela told Yahoo Finance. “If Bernie Sanders is his opponent, [Donald Trump] will use the word socialism. And polling shows very clearly that centrist, moderate Democrat doesn’t like the word socialism. And in particular, Latino voters in Florida, for example, they see the world socialism, they run the other direction. Because many of them, either their families or they, themselves, have come from countries where they were victimized by socialism.”

Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) have both proposed forms of Medicare for all as their solutions to the current health care system in the U.S. And according to a poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation, more Democrats support building upon the Affordable Care Act (ACA) — which is basically Biden’s plan — rather than replacing it with a type of Medicare for all.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
21. Steve Schmidt warns that the sociopath will beat the socialist.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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