Only Two Presidential Candidates I Can Remember Alleged "Rigging"

[MineralMan]

One was Donald J. Trump. The other is running for the Democratic nomination this year.

Claiming that an election is "rigged" is a sign of serious weakness.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-calls-new-debate-criteria-rigged-system-after-dnc-removes-donor-threshold-1485183

[UniteFightBack]

1. It's like they are purposefully trying to have Americans lose faith in the system and that is

exactly what Russia is trying to do. So anybody who says rigged is helping our enemies.

[MineralMan]

4. While I'm not sure there is a direct cause and effect relationship,

you are still correct.

[Horizens]

2. Russian

And putties' Russia assisted both of their campaigns.

[MineralMan]

5. There is evidence of that, it's true.

[OilemFirchen]

3. Ron Paul. (n/t)

[MineralMan]

6. He's not one of the ones I'm thinking of.

In face, this is a good time to restate;

Fuck Ron Paul and his noxious son, too!

[OilemFirchen]

13. I know.

I mentioned him because it adds a bit of perspective. Big crowds, obnoxious and domineering supporters. I think you get the picture.

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

7. Populism and Putin are a bad combo.

Resist!

[MineralMan]

8. I agree. Populism, itself, is a bad thing,

since it always seeks to blame someone for something. But, the combination is horrifying.

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

14. Blame + rage.

Angry people do not think straight.

A demagogue who fuels rage as his path to power can get people to do some truly horrific things.

Liberalism requires reason.

Populism feeds irrationality. There is no reason in rage.

The two political instincts are not comparable.

I am, and have always been, a liberal Democrat.

Resist!

[question everything]

9. And the gall of someone who is not a Democrat to dictate how the party should run

[MineralMan]

11. If you're referring to Bernie Sanders, he is a Democrat,

but only when it suits his goals to call himself that.

[DanTex]

10. I presume you're talking about Elizabeth Warren?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

[MineralMan]

12. I'm really only talking about this year's election, really.

In 2016, Warren was not a candidate for President. But, in your terms, then I would change that to "Only Three Presidential Candidates..." since she is one this year. I don't believe she has mentioned rigging this year, though.

If you insist.

Thanks for weighing in, though...good try.

[ehrnst]

16. Was she talking about the 2020 election? in 2017?

Goodness, is she clairvoyant?

[MineralMan]

19. Could be. Who can say.

Google knows, though. You can quickly search for a candidate's name + rigged and find any story that exists. You do, of course, have to look at the date, I suppose.

[ehrnst]

21. I presume you couldn't find a more recent statement by Warren?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/359645-warren-walks-back-claim-democratic-primary-was-rigged

[comradebillyboy]

23. That was a pretty bad faux pas by Liz, I must say. Glad she corrected.

[ehrnst]

25. Yes, she has the intellectual agility to examine new data and change accordingly.

One of the things that makes her different than other candidates who don't.

[comradebillyboy]

26. It's one of the things I like about her.

[Kali]

17. with the kind of money involved, especially in national elections...

yeah, there is rigging. anybody that doesn't believe that is delusional.

[MineralMan]

18. Oddly enough, nobody has ever offered me money for anything having

to do with politics. That's odder yet, since I'm a prolific writer on the subject, but never write about politics for money. I make my living as a writer, but absolutely refuse to do any paid writing on that subject. But, nobody has ever contacted me to offer me any so I could refuse it.

So, please explain how this "rigging" works. I guess I don't understand it.

[Kali]

20. look at the costs to run an election

look at the kind of money that changes hands, look at WHO donates...c'mon, you aren't naive.

[MineralMan]

22. Interesting. Campaigns spend a lot of money on advertising,

but advertising has nothing to do with "rigging" an election. Look at all the money Bernie Sanders has collected during this run. While some of it came from big money donors, through an odd organization that "isn't a PAC" but sure acts like one, most of his contributions are small and come from individuals. Is that "rigging?"

Donating to candidates isn't "rigging." It's simply support for that campaign. Arguably, candidates who can collect tons of contributions tend to do better, because they have more money to advertise themselves. But, then there are people like Bloomberg who are using their own money to finance their campaigns. Is that "rigging?"

If you claim that there is "rigging," you'll have to explain how that works to me. I'm not seeing it, frankly.

[Kali]

27. starter course

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/reform-money-politics/influence-big-money

http://www.democracymatters.org/organizing-tools/the-role-of-money-in-politics/

https://www.opensecrets.org/resources/dollarocracy/04.php

[comradebillyboy]

24. I see a lot of vague innuendo with no evidence.

[Kali]

28. starter course

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/reform-money-politics/influence-big-money

http://www.democracymatters.org/organizing-tools/the-role-of-money-in-politics/

https://www.opensecrets.org/resources/dollarocracy/04.php

[Cha]

29. KICK!