Just wondering: Do you think the IA caucus results might be declared invalid and cancelled?

[NewsCenter28]

Like the DMR poll, not released. Maybe, the new system for what was it releasing 3 (or 2) vote tallies got corrupted and there will be no fair result to announce tonight? My thinking is that the party isn't releasing the results because they've identified a very serious flaw. In that case, will Iowa re-schedule it's caucus or we just move onto New Hampshire? It's not fair to do a re-do, in my eyes, because what about the people who could only caucus tonight and can't next Monday or whatever?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Not likely, but maybe it will get no more weight than it deserves -

41 pledged delegates. A drop in the bucket.

[H2O Man]

2. No.

[brooklynite]

3. Whywould you cancel the Caucus? what problem do you think is occurring?

[NewsCenter28]

6. Ask CNN and MSNBC

"Results delayed", "No ETA", "reasons unclear." Until we get a hard ETA of when the results are supposed to come in, I can only assume the worst.

Edit: I don't want that scenario to unfold as I am dying for some results. We, as political junkies, all live for nights like these, but it's obvious that something very grave has occurred.

[Blue_true]

4. Our party will look foolish if the result is cancelled.

Republicans use hand marked ballots that are counted. We need to pay Iowa to put on a Saturday primary for us, where people register a secret vote.

[CentralMass]

26. They aren't looking that good at the moment.

[Blue_true]

28. They should soldier through and next time we have an actual primary there. nt

[CentralMass]

29. We have had a number of ugly elections. 2008 with the divied up and disallowed votes was another one

The system needs reform. Eliminate the electoral college, eliminate caucuses and make the process more. transparent.

[PatrickforO]

5. Sounds like a big SNAFU.

A joke.

Primaries are a better way to choose candidates.

Caucuses really aren't particularly democratic. They do tend to exclude the working poor, not intending to, but having something at a given time on a specific day for several hours is really bad for people who would like to participate but risk getting fired if they take time off work. Maybe caucuses were good way back when, but I'm thinking they are pretty outmoded now.

Just like the Electoral College.

[George II]

7. This is now confirming that the caucus system is idiotic. Just go to straight ballot voting!

[bottomofthehill]

30. Copy direct

[4139]

8. все будет хорошо, Владимир Путин

[OhZone]

23. все ваши базы принадлежат нам

Move Zig

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. Maybe there could be free throw shooting contests or

“Pick which hand” - who the F$&@ cares about Iowa, the center of the known universe.

[CloudWatcher]

10. Hacked?

I just have to wonder if they've been hacked and they noticed before releasing incorrect numbers. I have no evidence behind this, but otherwise I'd have to assume 100% incompetent staff.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

11. I believe they hand tabulate all that.

MSNBC keeps showing people with writing on legal pads and they are using calculators to figure out the number of delegates.

[CloudWatcher]

14. Champagne

I think the MSNBC panel is ready to break out some wine to try and fill the airtime w/out any results.

Even adding by hand, they could be releasing partial results! It's been hours .....

[Cuthbert Allgood]

16. Oh, I agree

I just don't think there is anything hackable. Unless maybe getting the results from the precinct to the central state location.

[Zolorp]

22. It's possible the app was hacked.

Apps on mobile devices are notoriously hackable.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

24. Sounds like on MSNBC that precinct chairs weren't able to download the app

and then weren't able to get it working. So now they are doing it via phone.

[MoonlitKnight]

15. And that is scary.

Why are they not inputting the numbers and getting results? Calculating by hand?

I have to admit that my initial reaction to the poll being invalidated was that it would be a way to set up shenanigans in the caucus. So if the caucus results are vastly different there isn’t a reputable poll to dispute the results. It just shows the success Putin has had to make it so we no longer trust our process. (Bush v. Gore had the same or more impact on me).

[Cuthbert Allgood]

17. I think everyone is aware of how their caucus is breaking down.

MSNBC showed a lot of cameras just walking up when they were giving numbers, so I don't think anything is being done in secret.

[Generic Brad]

19. It's Iowa

They do things differently there. That’s not a bad thing. It’s just different.

[Zolorp]

12. Nope

But tonight clearly sends the message that Iowa will never again be first in the nation.

For Democrats any way.

As a supporter of Obama since before he even became a State Senator I have to say, the only way he could become the nominee was because he and his team had a clear understanding of how caucuses work and how to insure he won far more caucuses than his opponent.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

18. I have long thought we should have needed swing states go first.

Of course, that means the order changes each election cycle. But why not have those states we need to win go first. It makes no sense that Iowa and New Hampshire are so early when they aren't usually important. And why is SC so early? We are NEVER going to South Carolina. Obama didn't even come close. So why are they being used to weed out candidates? It should be Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Penn. States we need to win/flip and have a chance of doing so.

[Zolorp]

20. Yep, Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina, too.

And load them up one after an another week by week, then throw California, New York, Illinois, and Texas all together on a Super Tuesday. Flesh it all out after that.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

21. I think we agree. Make it so!

We need to know what the important states that year want for a candidate (and next time other states may be important).

[C_U_L8R]

13. Somewhere shitheel Brad Parscale is laughing.

Whether it's his craftsmanship or just innocent snafuism.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

25. Doubt it

It'll just take a while to get final results.

[Indykatie]

27. All This Damn Trouble for 41 Damn Delegates

[Squidly]

31. There was confusion in my precinct

They had these paper cards where on one side was your first choice and if your candidate was viable, thats the only side you filled out. If your first choice wasnt viable, then you would also fill out the second side as your second choice. Chair had to call in to double check the procedure. If we had problems in our small precinct, cant imagine what was going on in the larger ones.

I guess when Iowa has been doing this the same way since 1972 and then they decide to do it differently there were bound to be issues. At least I can say I participated in the last Iowa caucus!