Back from caucus, and what a nightmare!

[Peacetrain]

a new system.. dear God save me from new systems.. I am going to take two aspirin and go to bed.

[democrattotheend]

1. Can you share a little more?

For those of us outside Iowa who are dying for information? What town/precinct were you in, what was the result, and why was it a nightmare?

[JoeOtterbein]

2. I will save my aspirin for the...

...morning!!!!!

[Cha]

3. That's too bad Peacetrain.

[democratisphere]

4. Counting individual votes doesn't require an app and a complicated conversion

fudge factor.

[brooklynite]

5. Explain how you would report those results...

[democratisphere]

6. Gee, let's see. Add up the individual votes from each individual voter

for each individual candidate,then email, phone, fax results to HQ. Pretty simple and reliable and use paper ballots for the paper trail.

[brooklynite]

7. You know there ARE paper ballots, right?

As for phoning in the results of THOUSANDS of precincts, the IDP assumed that the reporting app would work.

[democratisphere]

13. Paper backup is always mandatory regardless of what system is used.

Summary data sent from each precinct to HQ should be able to be processed easily with an adequately trained staff. One vote for each voter for one candidate, period.

[stopdiggin]

23. "One vote for each voter for one candidate, period"

And you have just described .. what is NOT a caucus but a primary.
But go ahead ...

[democratisphere]

25. Caucuses are or should be dead.

Hopefully THIS will end this outdated voting sham.

[still_one]

33. Exactly. The caucus is a discriminatory system that excludes certain demographics. Those that have

mobility issues, and those that cannot spend several hours in a caucus hall

Do we really want a system but it’s very structure excludes people?

[democratisphere]

34. NO!

[still_one]

35. I agree

[not_the_one]

8. If the person you supported did not get enough votes to continue, would you like a second choice?

That is what the Iowa caucus is trying to do. They allow re-allotment of the first choice votes who didn't make the threshold.

Similar to electronic voting where you can pick a second choice.

But this isn't electronic (their one touch with their electronic app apparently didn't go well, initiating the delay..), the vote tallies are on... wait for it...

PAPER, while everyone around them was helping to make the count. Much more dependable than anything electronic.

[DeminPennswoods]

14. A ranked choice primary would accomplish the same,

don't you think?

[democratisphere]

15. Straight forward voting; one vote for each voter for one candidate.

Paper trails are mandatory regardless of voting system. The failed app should be scuttled permanently. There are no excuses and the Iowa Caucuses should end and be incorporated into Super Tuesday. I believe all primaries throughout the USA should be done in one day; over and done with.

[stopdiggin]

22. "all primaries done in one day"

Is a supremely BAD idea .. which has been explained here on DU (and in other sources) a number of times.

[stopdiggin]

9. "email, phone, fax results to HQ"

and those of course are super secure methods ...

your criticisms would hold a little more weight .. if they didn't go counter to everything that has been discussed over the past three (and possibly longer) years.

[democratisphere]

16. An app sure didn't get the job done as we still sit here waiting for ANY RESULTS.

I think a paper ballot put in a box and counted by human hands, with verification, is second to none in security and hard copy backup. Electronic voting systems enable fraud.

[Act_of_Reparation]

19. Riiiiiiiiight.

Cause we never had fraud with paper ballots.

[stopdiggin]

21. they ARE using paper ballots

and this is not an "electronic voting system"
But that's okay .. we all keep learning things.

[democratisphere]

24. Smartphones and apps aren't electronic.

Got it!

[stopdiggin]

37. did anyone do their voting on an app? NO they did not.

paper ballots used, and paper ballots retained. Isn't that what everyone wanted?

[ArtTownsend]

29. +1

[ArtTownsend]

28. And using an unfamiliar app is super-secure?

[GReedDiamond]

10. Explain how those results were reported before there were fuckin "apps"...nt

[brooklynite]

31. They weren't...

The Sanders campaign insisted on adding raw Statewide totals which weren't previously reported.

[ArtTownsend]

27. Other than pre-emptively declaring Buttigieg the winner?

[Tipperary]

11. Nightmare is an understatement.

[bdamomma]

12. Peacetrain

Take your aspirin and rest, but I would also like to know why this ''app" was used instead of the same process that was used before.

[McKim]

17. Another Case of Overtech!!!!!

Another case of applying Overtech to a simple problem. Paper trails of this event exist thanks to Sanders! Keep it simple!!!!

[heckles65]

18. I'm not very good at coding, software or hacking, but-

has it occurred to anyone else this is the result of outside ratf___g?? Seems so suspicious to me, especially as Drumpf wasted no time crowing.

[The Mouth]

20. Would they tip their hand so soon

and for such 'small potatoes'?

If *I* were going to ratfk, I'd wait till a much bigger chance to make things really messy.

But we can't discount it; establishing a cluster like this as the 'new normal' would work for them, too.

[2naSalit]

30. When I heard it was a coding issue

that made me think exactly that it was installed in the app when it was made.

[greatauntoftriplets]

32. Sounds like you needed a good strong drink to wash down that aspirin.

Hope you get some answers today.

[keithbvadu2]

36. All voting should be done with paper ballots.

All voting should be done with paper ballots.

These machines cannot be trusted.

In accounting classes, one idea of trust is an audit trail.

Folks not wanting an audit trail are suspect.

[stopdiggin]

38. voting WAS done on paper ballots

there were no voting machines involved.
the audit trail (retained paper ballots) is transparent, and secure.

[keithbvadu2]

39. All voting... not just this Iowa time.

All voting... not just this Iowa time.

[stopdiggin]

40. and hand counted?

I'm not saying no, but you do realized that could take a considerable amount of time? Ballots with multiple races and multiple propositions and issues? In national elections some precincts and polling places will see very high numbers. Are we willing to forego having CBS call the race before midnight? (rhetorical question)

[keithbvadu2]

41. If need be to get a credible, accurate count

If need be to get a credible, accurate count

[stopdiggin]

42. I'm in (nt)