Remember... this funky system in Iowa this year is BECAUSE of Bernie's people complaining about 2016

[scheming daemons]

This was an attempt to alleviate Bernie's concerns.


That's the reason we had the process changed this year.

[DanTex]

1. LOL.

[lapucelle]

19. As per the AP last night...

In Iowa, anxiety and unpredictability cloud caucus finish

New rules have also left the campaigns working in overdrive to set expectations. For the first time, the Iowa Democratic Party will release three sets of results: who voters align with at the start of the night; who they pick after voters supporting nonviable candidates get to make a second choice; and the number of state delegate equivalents each candidate gets.

The new rules were mandated by the Democratic National Committee as part of a package of changes sought by Sanders following his loss to Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential primaries. The revisions were designed to make the caucus system more transparent and to make sure that even the lowest-performing candidates get credit for all the votes they receive. But party officials in Iowa and at the DNC have privately expressed concerns that multiple campaigns will spin the results in their favor, potentially creating chaos on caucus night.

https://apnews.com/ce049651af41d729193cf574be5465af

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=466630

[DanTex]

20. So Robby Mook's app doesn't work, it distracts from Bernie's victory, and they're going to

try and blame it all on Bernie.

[lapucelle]

21. The question was "Why were the caucus rules and procedures changed"?

The AP reported the answer last night

The new rules were mandated by the Democratic National Committee as part of a package of changes sought by Sanders following his loss to Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential primaries.

The revisions were designed to make the caucus system more transparent and to make sure that even the lowest-performing candidates get credit for all the votes they receive.

But party officials in Iowa and at the DNC have privately expressed concerns that multiple campaigns will spin the results in their favor, potentially creating chaos on caucus night.

The rules were changed to accommodate the BS faction on the Unity Commission.

[lapucelle]

23. This is the type of thing that often happens when people who have no idea what they're doing

decide they should be the ones running things.

And of course, this does not include the good people of Iowa.

[DanTex]

26. Robby Mook, Hillary's 2016 campaign manager, was in charge of the app.

How his screwing up the app is Bernie’s fault is beyond me.

[lapucelle]

31. The BS faction insisted on the rule changes,

and Robby Mook had no role in the bulding of the app.

Where on earth did anyone get the idea that "Robby Mook was in charge of the app"? I wonder where the disinformation originated.

Reddit maybe?

********************************************************************************************************

[DanTex]

41. You're right, the story originated in the DMR, but was misreported elsewhere.

Mook apparently didn't build the app, he just consulted with the IDP on how to prevent things from going wrong on election night.

Both parties in Iowa and their app and web development vendors partnered last fall with Harvard’s Defending Digital Democracy Project to develop strategies and systems to protect results and deal with any misinformation that's reported on caucus night.

They worked with campaign experts Robby Mook and Matt Rhodes — as well as experts in cybersecurity, national security, technology and election administration — and simulated the different ways that things could go wrong on caucus night.

Mook, 2016 campaign manager for Hillary Clinton, and Rhodes, Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, helped develop a public-service video to alert campaigns to the warning signs of hacking and misinformation.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/01/29/iowa-caucus-cybersecurity-measures-ramping-up/4612169002/

So I guess it is all Bernie's fault after all lol.

[lapucelle]

48. So Robby Mook wasn't in charge of the app and had nothing to do with building the app,

Mook works with Harvard’s Defending Digital Democracy Project which developed strategies and systems to protect results and deal with any misinformation that might be reported on caucus night.

And what exactly was Mr. Mook's contribution to the project according to your source?

Mook, 2016 campaign manager for Hillary Clinton, and Rhodes, Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, helped develop a public-service video to alert campaigns to the warning signs of hacking and misinformation.

It was released in 2018, days after a federal indictment detailed how Russian intelligence operatives hacked Clinton's presidential campaign, the DNC and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 2016.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/01/29/iowa-caucus-cybersecurity-measures-ramping-up/4612169002/

[lapucelle]

68. And your claim that "it was Robby Mook's app" DID NOT originate in The Des Moines Register

Here's what they reported;

Mook works with Harvard’s Defending Digital Democracy Project which developed strategies and systems to protect results and deal with any misinformation that might be reported on caucus night.

Mook, 2016 campaign manager for Hillary Clinton, and Rhodes, Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, helped develop a public-service video to alert campaigns to the warning signs of hacking and misinformation.

That fact reported by DMR that Mook helped develop a PSA morphed into the abject fiction that "Mook was responsible for the app" ...and then it was posted here.

No wonder they were worried about disinformation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. It's not beyond me Dan. You see what this is ALL about... stoppin Bernie!! Not gonna work tho...

But the irony is that's it's this Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash that is what's causing Bernie to surge!! I do, however, understand the denial of Bernie's Big Mo - soon to turn to anger - but that doesn't change the reality on the ground... Bernie's crushin it!! Come join The Revolution!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[TwilightZone]

75. Stop spreading misinformation.

The situation is screwed up enough without people pushing conspiracy theories and false information.

[DesertRat]

33. Robby Mook had no role in the app

Link to tweet

[DanTex]

40. You are correct. Mook consulted with the IDP about the process, but didn't build the app.

Both parties in Iowa and their app and web development vendors partnered last fall with Harvard’s Defending Digital Democracy Project to develop strategies and systems to protect results and deal with any misinformation that's reported on caucus night.

They worked with campaign experts Robby Mook and Matt Rhodes — as well as experts in cybersecurity, national security, technology and election administration — and simulated the different ways that things could go wrong on caucus night.

Mook, 2016 campaign manager for Hillary Clinton, and Rhodes, Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, helped develop a public-service video to alert campaigns to the warning signs of hacking and misinformation.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/01/29/iowa-caucus-cybersecurity-measures-ramping-up/4612169002/

[-Steph-]

60. Mook's only role was helping with a video to alert campaigns to the warning signs of hacking &

misinformation. It's right there in the article you posted...

[obamanut2012]

66. And, DUers allll over this forum are blaming Mook

And saying this is allllll a plan to stop Bernie. WTAF

[Tweedy]

58. Do you think a political strategist designed this app?

Bawhahaha! 😆

Did he design the first version of Obamacare too?

Apps sometimes have issues, big issues.
There are even television shows about exactly that, friend 😁

Deep breaths

[LanternWaste]

69. Still having that problem understanding cause and effect, eh?

Maybe there's a pill for it. I dunno...

[JudyM]

44. MSNBC now reporting that this increased transparency brought *preexisting problems* to light.

[lapucelle]

50. And contributed to creating new problems of epic proportions. N/T

[JudyM]

52. Lol, because transparency is so unimportant.

[lapucelle]

54. No public reporting of results because of conflicting tallies is about as opaque as it can get.

Transparency is a good thing...tonight we got the polar opposite.

[Jack_Warriner]

47. "It's Bernie's fault!"

It was only a matter of time before someone said it, eh? LOL

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

73. That's how you know Bernie is going all the way to win the Democratic nomination!! GO BERNIE!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[ecstatic]

2. Every WTF moment, including the crazy debate rules, is due to Bernie's

whining. The crazy thing is, even after all the bending over backwards, his crew will still cry about rigging and unfairness. Some people cannot be pleased, no matter what you do.

[UniteFightBack]

3. +1000

[JudyM]

28. The crazy thing is, some people blame Bernie at any whiff of opportunity.

[JudyM]

30. See post 23... it was Hillary's campaign manager's responsibility. Ludicrous Sanders shade.

[DesertRat]

34. Wrong

Link to tweet

[JudyM]

36. Ok, retracted. But it's directly the fault of the Iowa Dem party for, at a minimum, not having

enough open lines for backup reporting in case the app failed. Not to mention apparent lack of quality control for the app launch... it should’ve been adequately sandboxed.

It’s appalling that some here are blaming this on Sanders for requesting more transparency. Slimy shade.

[DanTex]

43. My mistake. Mook didn't build the app, but according to DMR, was consulted by the party for testing.

Both parties in Iowa and their app and web development vendors partnered last fall with Harvard’s Defending Digital Democracy Project to develop strategies and systems to protect results and deal with any misinformation that's reported on caucus night.

They worked with campaign experts Robby Mook and Matt Rhodes — as well as experts in cybersecurity, national security, technology and election administration — and simulated the different ways that things could go wrong on caucus night.

Mook, 2016 campaign manager for Hillary Clinton, and Rhodes, Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager, helped develop a public-service video to alert campaigns to the warning signs of hacking and misinformation.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/01/29/iowa-caucus-cybersecurity-measures-ramping-up/4612169002/

[JudyM]

46. Harvard? Jeesh. MSNBC pointing out that existing problems likely turning up because of transparency

It’s disgusting that we have such unreliable election infrastructure, not just in Iowa.
Banana republic.

[betsuni]

35. +1

[DanieRains]

45. Try Fairness

Maybe?

[DonaldsRump]

4. Not sure I agree.

The implication is that this mess is a result of BS. Even if true, I would hope that the IDP could have built a better system.

I'm not for BS, but I'm definitely not blaming him for this.

[highplainsdem]

5. Yep. MSNBC just mentioned that.

[Cha]

22. Really.. what did they say about it?

Thanks, hpd

[question everything]

6. Why? What were the changes/

I caucused in 1988, same process. And our winner was determined by a toss of a coin!

[W_HAMILTON]

8. Reporting three different sets of results, for starters.

I believe they are the popular vote, vote after first alignment, and vote after final alignment.

[question everything]

11. Thanks. A system waiting to be crashed

Honestly, if he DNC does not say enough is enough, for both IA and NH and move to rotating order we deserve whatever loss we may sustain.

[scheming daemons]

9. Reporting 3 sets of data, no realignment after 1st one

[BlueIdaho]

7. Remind me Again...

When did Bernie join the Democratic Party?

[MoonlitKnight]

10. This is more due to Iowa wanting to be first

And they have a caucus because New Hampshire gets to be the first Primary. For no good reason.

[democrattotheend]

12. The changes themselves seemed to make sense

But relying on this app without making sure it worked was crazy. And that wasn't Bernie's idea.

[DURHAM D]

17. For the past two or three days it was being

reported that many precinct captains could not even download the app let alone get it to work.

[Pololv]

32. The application has problems here in Vegas also (at least for me)

And how it relates to trying to download & log into the new app.

I couldn't do it this past Saturday to participate in a webinar. Had to use my neighbor's computer since my internet connection failed to connect.

No phone number to call to ask for help LIKE THEY SAID THAY WOULD.

My good friend who introduced me to volunteering had a difficult time also, and ended up saying "to hell with it - I'm not gonna do it". We canvassed in 120 degree heat together, manned phone banks, etc. Did the last3 or 4 presidential elections.

I did get an email to try again, but it's confusing still. I'm not as tech savvy as the youngins (i'm 67 now), but not a total idiot - I use autocad for chrissakes! Only after the webinar, I figured out that the instructions were for downloading it onto my personal cell phone, not the laptop.

[PTWB]

71. Hmmmm

Only after the webinar, I figured out that the instructions were for downloading it onto my personal cell phone, not the laptop.

Shouldn’t that have been the very first thing you tried? I’d have to see the instructions myself but typically when someone is talking about an app, they’re talking about a phone app.

[Pololv]

87. The instructions were emailed to me, not texted.

If it was supposed to be only used by phone, they should have texted the instructions.

I seldom use email, but text heavily.

The link to the app was in the email.

So no, one cannot assume that.

[Midnightwalk]

79. Interesting data point

I’m curious what went wrong. Was it the backend not able to handle the load or the app couldn’t handle a range of devices? Or a combination of flaws?

Thanks for giving some clues. Not sure how to square that with the narrative that they hired some mook to write this thing and Bernie failed to do an adequate code review. Or something. Yes that’s sarcasm.

It’s a pretty spectacular failure. This isn’t something that would have had millions of users. Maybe a couple of people per precinct or a few thousand total? Or was there an interface for the world to check results and that query load crippled the ability to login to provide results?

Did this company have any experience delivering widely used or critical applications?

[Stand and Fight]

85. The one being used in Nevada is not the same app.

[Pololv]

86. Also, was just informed there will be changes regaring use of the app.

Will find out during a training session for volunteers Thursday evening.

[Stand and Fight]

88. Good. My wife and I will likely simply vote early.

Not sure we’ve the patience to deal with it this time. Plus we’ll have a toddler and one in utero.

[Quixote1818]

13. Remember when Bernie petted that puppies fur the wrong way?

The nerve of him!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. Ohh yeahhhh... and don't forget, he also was late in returning a library book back in 4th grade!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[bullwinkle428]

14. The change to paper ballots locked in everyone's votes this year. So we WILL

have concrete results at some point.

I just can't guarantee when we will have them.

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Just one more thing to add to the list of things I "thank" him for.

I will say this. If this finally puts an end to the fetid, undemocratic Iowa-first caucus system, I actually will be pleased.

[krissey]

16. He has to leave our party alone. He is not enhancing it. I had forgotten.

[UniteFightBack]

18. Yeah but the college kids like him.

[Bradical79]

63. Lol, sure

[Kentonio]

64. Jesus Christ, the guy wanted a more transparent process

And now it’s his fault the state couldn’t get a basic app to work?

It’s ‘Thanks Obama’ all over again.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. You mean the change to release the actual popular vote?

To make it more transparent and *GASP* more like a primary?

Yeah, that big old meanie Bernie.

[Tiggeroshii]

27. +10,000

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. LMFAO!! Why is Bernie even allowed to breathe the same air that we decent human beings enjoy?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[herding cats]

25. Is that what happened here?!

Well, this will be fodder against Dems for years to come... damn.

[Skya Rhen]

29. True and the result is an unreasonable, more complicated process. Thanks, Bernie.

[betsuni]

37. K&R

[liberaltrucker]

38. Bernie is NOT a Democrat. By his own admission

Bring it on alerter. We all know you're there.

[calimary]

39. And how's that workin' out for ya tonight, Bern?

[TheBlackAdder]

42. All this finger-pointing is BULLSHIT! It comes down to IOWA Caucus Dems not performing valid tests.

.

Designing applications is great on paper and works well when you push though single records or messages, but try doing that when you are performing bulk processing and all kinds of errors expose themselves. The same applies to all other workflow processes, including this one.

The real issue is that Iowa Caucus Dems did not try out this process using enough variables. Period.

Had they done that, they would have detected more flaws in the system and could have corrected them.

They would have had their shit together and wouldn't have been caught with their pants down.

.

[Raine]

62. EXACTLY, they had four years

to work the bugs out and obviously didn't!

[Mersky]

49. And there's no shortage of extra drama sloshing around

Gah, there’s plenty of reasons to be concerned about getting the count right in the age of tRumpian level ratf*cking. Whether because of glitches, user error, app design, hacking, or other reasons related to the new process, I’m not necessarily gonna get on the bandwagon of angry fist-shaking at the Iowa Democratic Party, yet.

Just don’t have enough information to blame any one thing at this point. Am trying to not get swept up in the hype and typical, hasty media narratives dragging down the image of Democrats’ competency in general. It is so tired.

Get it right - I am willing to wait, because I stand with good-hearted Democrats.

[JoeOtterbein]

51. Of course because Bernie won.

The question is really; why not just admit it?

[herding cats]

56. Except, Buttigieg may have won the day?

Of course that remains to be seen, but it's what's on my TV and all my feeds. He was robbed of his moment in the sun is the current message.

He's not my pick, but I hate true injustice.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. It's called being in denial... expect anger next.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[jcmaine72]

53. You know what we don't see enough of on the DU Primaries forum?

Threads blaming Bernie and "his people" something or other. Funky used to mean cool and groovy. Since this "funky system" you mentioned is more fair than the previous one, I'll assume that's the connotation you were shooting for.

[Mike Nelson]

55. I think this will result in...

... the end of the "caucus" system, which I don't like. I like celebrating passion and organization... but there has to be a more Democratic way!

[roody]

57. Sure it was. And I'm Princess Di.

[Cha]

59. "CNN: Sanders campaign pushed the Iowa Democratic Party to use newer technology after 2016".

Just now reported in conversation with the reporter.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287471618

[Don1]

67. Which they got 3 days ago

What is wrong with them? You can't work out kinks in 3 days.

[Gore1FL]

61. I overslept this morning.

I can't believe the nerve of Bernie Sanders for doing that to me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. Yes, thanks for letting us know... the nerve of that guy!! Bernie lost my vote for that one!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Kentonio]

65. Hmmm...

Bernie: I think we should drive more carefully in Iowa this year
Iowa: *Crashes car off a bridge*
You: It’s Bernie’s fault for interfering with the driving!!

[Kurt V.]

77. +1

[erlewyne]

78. I think Bernie must have won big

and they are trying to cover it up!

[RandySF]

76. Essentially backed up by CBS and CNN.

[markpkessinger]

80. Des Moines Register: "Clinton campaign veterans linked with app that contributed to caucus chaos"

TClinton campaign veterans linked with app that contributed to caucus chaos

The smartphone application blamed in part for the ongoing delay in reporting results of the Monday Iowa caucuses is linked with key Iowa and national Democrats associated with Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign.

[ . . . ]

The app was issued by Jimmy Hickey of Shadow Inc., metadata of the program that the Des Moines Register analyzed Tuesday shows. Gerard Niemira and Krista Davis, who worked for Clinton’s 2016 campaign, co-founded Shadow.

[ . . . ]

owa Democratic Party Chairman Troy Price worked as Clinton’s 2016 Iowa political director. He did not immediately respond to requests for comment Tuesday about the relationship between the party and Shadow, which it paid $63,184 for website development and travel expenses, according to reports filed with the Iowa Ethics & Campaign Disclosure Board.

But hey, keep on blaming Bernie.

Look a rule change is simply that. The decision to use an app was an implementation choice made by the Iowa Democratic Party. They chose the firm that developed the app., and chose to use an app that had been insufficiently tested. None of that can be laid at Bernie's feet. And as has been pointed out elsewhere, were it not for the changes Bernie had asked for, there would have been no paper trail to fall back on!

The Bernie slander is outrageous!