If Biden comes up in 4th or 5th place in Iowa

[Legends303]

He will get no delegates, then he can kiss the nomination goodbye. The momentum will be on the front runner Mayor Pete or Senator Sanders. It already shows polls tightening on him nationally.

[scheming daemons]

1. That's not how it works

You can come in 4th or 5th and still get delegates.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

2. It's over for Joe... as I've been sayin' for awhile now.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[JudyM]

14. Oh come on. Classy.

[highplainsdem]

35. Yes, you've been saying that for several months while he's been the front-runner. You have

a long history of being wrong on that.

[OliverQ]

4. By the sounds of it, he's coming up in 4th place.

Sanders, Buttigieg, Warren are all getting much more votes than Biden based on what data we have been able to get.

[scheming daemons]

5. What data is that?

[OliverQ]

10. Internal reporting from the Sanders and Buttigieg campaigns.

[TexasTowelie]

15. The less than 2% data.

A sample that is statistically insignificant compared to the overall population and that can't even be confirmed as being reliable. I doubt that anybody is going to drop Biden as their preferred candidate based upon the results of the Iowa caucus mess.

[emmadoggy]

19. Biden was not

viable in my precinct and I've heard of a few others, too, where he was not viable or finished low. I don't think Biden's numbers are going to be great.

I think Biden will finish much worse than expected. Klobuchar will finish higher than expected. I think Pete is going to come out looking pretty rosy, and Sanders and Warren will be pretty close.

Anecdotal from my personal experience and what I heard from friends and neighbors tonight, so I know it doesn't count for much, but that's my take and prediction.

Oh, and I live in a very red county - Dem. county chair stated tonight that our county runs about 22% Democratic and 45% Republican. The Dems in my county probably lean more moderate, I'd say. So for Biden to get no delegates in my precinct was quite a surprise to me - and Klobuchar's strong showing was, as well. At least in my precinct, it appears the moderate Dems went for Klobuchar rather than Biden.

[Mike 03]

27. Thanks for the on-the-ground report.

These are fascinating.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. CNN reporting that Joe's already disputing the Iowa results... that says a lot!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[msongs]

13. lol bernie claiams everything is rigged against him nt

[emmaverybo]

6. Your opinion and you are entitled to it. Iowa may not be a high point for Biden, but it won't break

his candidacy either. Pete and Sanders won’t be so viable in SC and not in the swing states.

[OliverQ]

11. How is South Carolina even relevant?

Democrats never win South Carolina. And Sanders is polling #1 in Wisconsin and does quite well in Michigan.

[TexasTowelie]

16. Democrats haven't done very well in Wisconsin either for most of the past decade.

I'm glad that Wisconsin and Michigan have Democratic governors now, but the voters in those two states aren't going to make or break the decision of who our nominee is any more than what voters in other states will do. For that reason the voters in South Carolina are just as relevant as those in Michigan and Wisconsin.

[Lexblues]

21. So black voters in S.C. aren't relevant?

By extension, you're saying black Dems in any red southern state shouldn't matter.

[lapfog_1]

22. Iowa is no longer a swing state either

Democrats are not going to win Iowa, no matter who we nominate.

so the real question is "How is Iowa even relevant?"

See how this works?

[emmaverybo]

23. I was referring to the primary. Don't we have one in S.C.? Regardless of IA or N.H., Biden still

has a strong shot at the nomination, and Sanders and Buttigieg still not getting traction needed with AA electorate.

[OliverQ]

29. I don't think Iowa is relevant and I don't think they

should be the first primary state anymore.

[LongtimeAZDem]

32. Democrats haven't won Texas since the last time we won SC either; do you think Texas is irrelevant?

[Skya Rhen]

33. You will see SC's relevance when the AAs have a turn to have their say and place Biden in the lead.

[OliverQ]

40. Biden is not going to win.

There is no real enthusiasm for him, he will depress the 18-35 vote massively, and the Ukraine scandal will be the new "But her emails."

[Demsrule86]

41. Sanders needs AA vote or he will not be the nominee.

Same with Warren, and Buttigieg. After what I saw in Iowa...they are not capable in picking even their home candidates. What a mess.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Delegates, schmelegates

If he finishes that low there will be a stampede of moderates to Bloomberg and Biden could even lose endorsements. New game.

[Mike 03]

28. It could also adversely affect his fundraising ability too. nt

[rwheeler31]

8. He was already awarded delegates.

This process is so screwy we should just get rid of it altogether, what a waste of time and money.

[msongs]

12. for months he has had low expectations for iowa. wont be news to him nt

[jcmaine72]

17. No, no, no. You don't get it.

Even if Joe comes in 4th, he'll still win. I learned that in another thread.

[Alhena]

18. It's a lily-white state - Biden will crush in South Carolina and your post will seem silly

It already seems silly to me.

[emmaverybo]

24. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[herding cats]

20. Damn.

I'm gonna stop being nice to your candidates because you're so mean here... nah, I'm joking. I still will vote for your candidate in the GE, but probably not in the primary on Super Tuesday, when I vote. That one is my personal decision.

I laughed at so many posts here. Be adults and focus. This isn't a sports teams, folks. This is literally our do or die on the hill moment.

For the vast majority of Americans this isn't a policy debate. It never is, I know that's shocking, but it's sadly true. It's literally us against Trump. We're here to beat an incumbent president. That's not an easy task, no matter what anyone here thinks. Watch, his poll numbers are going to rise a tad more (he's been rising) and stabilize there. We know better... American voters don't. And we need a vast majority to beat the GOP disengagement in key states. It's literally about a few key states.

Focus here. It's all fun and games to beat each other up, until we lose. Then the bloom is off the rose.

[bdamomma]

26. Herding cats

I agree with you do or die moment. We have many more primaries to go. Iowa is not the final call here. I wish we would all focus.

I believe all our candidates are good. Can we all take a breath and vote in our primaries.

We all need to rally around whoever the Democratic candidate is. The stakes are too high in this 2020 election.


Russian bots beware.

[musicblind]

25. I don't think it's that bad.

He wasn't expected to win Iowa.

[LongtimeAZDem]

30. Nonsense; Iowa is one percent of the pledged delegate total, and Biden has a major lead in states

with real numbers.

[onetexan]

31. agree, it's all malarky

[SaschaHM]

34. Black voters would like a word.

I for one am not deciding based off of what white voters in Iowa decided. Given how the Iowa caucus was run, do you really think anyone is going to take cues from it?

The only thing that's going to eliminate Sanders, Biden, Buttigieg, Warren, and Klobuchar from consideration is going to be them dropping out.

[Autumn]

36. His support is weak and will get weaker as the primary progresses.

[Legends303]

39. Yes and the Biden supporters will make excuses

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

37. A 5 way split of 1% of the delegates is not going to settle this race.

Especially with a state as unrepresentative as Iowa in a deeply flawed caucus.

[brooklynite]

38. A reminder that Delegates are not allocated based on Statewide tallies...