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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:56 AM Feb 2020

If we're going to debate the Iowa fiasco, let's debate ACCURATELY...

1. There were paper ballots



2. There was a paper reporting trail



3. The problem was in reporting three sets of results (developed by challenges to the results in 2016) to the State Party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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If we're going to debate the Iowa fiasco, let's debate ACCURATELY... (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2020 OP
What you just showed does not give me confidence. gab13by13 Feb 2020 #1
Why? Agschmid Feb 2020 #3
lol.. evertonfc Feb 2020 #2
Lol d_b Feb 2020 #5
Its interesting who gets 1st name treatment on that example worksheet aikoaiko Feb 2020 #4
Spellin last names kan bee hard 4139 Feb 2020 #6
You mean the long last names? jberryhill Feb 2020 #8
Fair comment in 2 out of 3 cases. Bernie...6 letters Sanders... etc: 7 letters aikoaiko Feb 2020 #10
Sanders has 7 letters TwilightZone Feb 2020 #11
Doh! aikoaiko Feb 2020 #12
'1.50 - passed out' ! denem Feb 2020 #7
My theory on "quality control" unc70 Feb 2020 #9
Blue side of ballot Skidmore Feb 2020 #13
The problem was the app wasn't tested properly and there was no effective backup system JudyM Feb 2020 #14
Thank you. Skidmore Feb 2020 #16
What a joke MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #15
 

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
1. What you just showed does not give me confidence.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:59 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. lol..
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:02 AM
Feb 2020

What in the hell is that? I hope that isn't anything official.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
5. Lol
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:19 AM
Feb 2020

What a shit show.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
4. Its interesting who gets 1st name treatment on that example worksheet
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:08 AM
Feb 2020


and who is named with their last name.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

4139

(1,893 posts)
6. Spellin last names kan bee hard
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:20 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. You mean the long last names?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:28 AM
Feb 2020

The blank is only so big

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
10. Fair comment in 2 out of 3 cases. Bernie...6 letters Sanders... etc: 7 letters
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:57 AM
Feb 2020

edited to correct that Sanders is 7 letters not 6.

Close enough.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
11. Sanders has 7 letters
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:23 AM
Feb 2020

Unless there's a new way of counting of which I'm unaware.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
12. Doh!
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Feb 2020

Thank you for correcting me.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
7. '1.50 - passed out' !
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:25 AM
Feb 2020

Yeah, that's about the time I hit the sack

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

unc70

(6,113 posts)
9. My theory on "quality control"
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:42 AM
Feb 2020

What if the problem isn't in the program per se but in its data validation checks rejecting inconsistent data? For example, if the reported second round totals and delegate counts do not flow from the first round counts?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. Blue side of ballot
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Feb 2020

shows original alignment . Yellow side shows realignment if original candidate choice was not viable. Yellow side also has a box for checking that the person did not want to choose any other candidate. All ballots were signed by the voters.

Viability threshold is determined by total number of precinct participants x 15%. In this precinct, a candidate required 38 supporters to be viable. At first alignment, Klobuchar, Biden, Buttegieg, and Warren met the threshold and were viable. Sanders and Yang, the only other candidates with supporters present, did not. There were no undecided people at first alignment.

Realignment allowed for Sanders and Yang supporters to close another candidate if they desired to do so. Here 30 of them chose to realign with other candidates. Of the 11 who didn't choose another candidate, six Sanders people and five Yang people chose no other candidate. All of this can be verified by counting the paper ballots. The work sheet must be verified by the signatures of the precinct captains of all viable candidates and that of the precinct chair.

The number of delegates allotted each candidate is then calculated by multiplying the final number of a candidate's supporters by the number of delegates allowed the precinct and dividing by total attendees. Delegates and an alternate are nominated and voted for from within each group. Delegates attend the county convention in a few weeks to begin work on platform proposals and select delegates for the state convention. Delegate attendance is important. In 2016, Sanders carried our precinct by a few votes but some of his delegates didn't show up at county. Hillary picked up some delegates at County.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,241 posts)
14. The problem was the app wasn't tested properly and there was no effective backup system
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020

which could’ve been as simple as a fax number or more phone numbers. The execution was the problem.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
16. Thank you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020

It wasn't a counting problem but a fairly simple transmission of data issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
15. What a joke
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:45 AM
Feb 2020

Signatures mean nothing with all of those scratched out and rewritten numbers. Do they not have the technological capability to fill out a clean form for final signatures and submission?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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