Will Joe Biden's suspected fourth place finish be mitigated by the chaos?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Please discuss

[LeftTurn3623]

1. unfortunately, yes

I was hoping last night would show that Biden is not the best chance to beat Trump & Pete is the best moderate candidate to beat Trump. But thanks to this mess it gives Biden an undeserved lifeline

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. My raison d'etre is defeating Trump.

I am scrupulously trying to avoid the internecine warfare on this board. I am afraid we are going to lose a very winnable race against a despicable and dangerous incumbent.

That's my take.

[cwydro]

35. This.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I have very, very...very strong feelings about who is best and least equipped to beat Chump

I have very, very...very strong feelings about who is best and worstt equipped to beat Chump but I'm doing my best to keep them to myself for a host of reasons. I'm tired of internet battles, the battles change no minds, and 2016 has made me question my own powers of divination.

I do know with certainty this a consequential election.

[left-of-center2012]

2. I think so

Because (in my opinion) of the mess in Iowa,
I think a lot of people will say
"Let's see what happens in New Hampshire."

And then it's on to South Carolina on Feb 29th.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

5. Sinking the Biden campaign?

LMAO are you serious?

[rampartc]

12. that was in the form of a question

we are about to be treated to months of Benghazi style "hunter biden" hearings in the senate. do you think that the general populous will rally to biden's side?

[DeminPennswoods]

28. JMHO, but this is an underappreciated point

nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. My thoughts are in Post Four.

I really am trying to refrain from criticizing any candidate. If Trump is re-elected America is finished,

[onetexan]

20. buncha malarky. If anybody should withdraw it should be BS.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I'm going by the chatter.

[I_M_Blue_2]

7. Yes because the msm will not talk about it N/T

[Amimnoch]

9. Biggest beneficiary isn't Biden, it's Bloomberg.

Looks like he was the smart one just ignoring the early and spending heavily on Super Tuesday.

[denem]

11. Biden may be 5th behind Klobuchar.

A 4th in NH would put a real dent in his electability argument.

Biden supporters are hanging on SC, and the AA vote in Super Tuesday. HRC racked up 88% of the AA vote according to exit polls. Biden is getting about 45%. Won't be enough.

Neither Biden nor Sanders should of run. Their time has come and gone. There has not been one Democratic president who failed to win the nomination first time around. Democrats are in love with the new and the future, not rear view mirrors.

[LeftTurn3623]

16. if Biden finishes 5th

I think its over. He already is hurting for money. Its a shame in a way because Biden is a good guy.

[denem]

22. If Biden and Sanders had done the right thing and stayed out,

we would be having a race between Amy, Elizabeth, Kamala and Pete. Amy in particular would have benefited from more time in the spotlight.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Joe ran for two reasons

1) because he sincerely believes this nation needs to be saved from Trump
2) And he thought he was best equipped to do so.

The sad irony is he might have made the task more difficult for the reasons you cited by squeezing out good general election candidates.

[denem]

27. Joe according to his own account,

wanted to run more than anything in 2016. Obama gave the nod to HRC . Biden was passed over by the politician who knew him best.

Democrats are in love with the new. Always have been. Biden, if he wins will be the exception to the rule.

[PatSeg]

31. Joe had just lost his eldest son Beau

He felt that a presidential campaign would be too much for him and his family at the time. I don't recall Obama giving "the nod to HRC".

[denem]

33. 'In January 2015, Obama was already trying to dissuade Biden'

“He had been subtly weighing in against — for a variety of reasons” Biden wrote. ...

“The president was convinced I could not beat Hillary, and he worried that a long primary fight would split the party and leave the Democratic nominee vulnerable in the general election,” Biden wrote. Obama also believed Clinton had the better chance of defeating a Republican opponent in the battle for the presidency. ...

Soon it dawned on Biden that Obama had made up his mind: “I found myself saying, ‘Look, Mr. President, I understand if you’ve made an explicit commitment to Hillary and to Bill Clinton.’?” ...

Biden stood in the Rose Garden with his wife, Jill, on one side and Obama on the other to announce his decision. ...

Biden didn’t want to be making this announcement. He wanted to run; he wanted more than anything in the world to be president. His son Beau had been sensitive to his father’s ambitions and had believed in him as the candidate with the right values for the country. “You’ve got to run,” he told his father a few years earlier. “I want you to run.” Later, as he struggled with cancer, Beau “tried to make his father promise to run,” according to Maureen Dowd of the New York Times.

But without Obama’s blessing, Biden stayed on the sidelines.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/07/30/feature/the-poignant-but-complicated-friendship-of-joe-biden-and-barack-obama/

[PatSeg]

34. That's is truly regrettable

As I think Biden could have beat Hillary and would have been a better GE candidate against Donald Trump. I wonder if Obama has regrets.

[denem]

39. Maybe.

We know Biden would have won PA in a canter. But HRC's election machine was formidable.

[PatSeg]

40. I guess it is easy for us to sit here

and second guess what could of or would of happened. No one at the time knew how big Putin's election interference was and it is difficult to calculate how different it would have been if it hadn't happened.

[denem]

41. if election night was a nightmare,

imagine what it must have been like for Obama?

[PatSeg]

42. Oh yes

I hadn't thought of that. Every president has his share of misjudgments, but some have a more lasting effect than others. Imagine watching this orange fool in the White House everyday and wondering what you could have done differently. He is always so careful and measured with everything he does and says, but there are so many variables that one can't predict.

[denem]

43. I've thought about Joe running in 2016.

I've thought about 100 scenarios that did not end up with trump in the Oval Office. But we can't change the past, and we must elect a president again, to be free of this IMPOTUS. Anyway.

[PatSeg]

44. Me too!

Nice chatting with you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. In a divided field he might be able to eke out a win in SC ...

In a divided field he might be able to eke out a win in SC with that level of African American support. It's fair to say if he can't win there he can't win anywhere.

[denem]

47. ...

[TwilightZone]

13. I wouldn't believe any of the rumors at this point.

None of them have any validity until we have real data. They're just conjecture and not worth the time.

[beastie boy]

14. A better question is: will unproven rumors of Joe's standing in Iowa undermine his campaign?

[duforsure]

15. I think this is a break for Joe

But it shows he has real problems with certain age groups he has to have to be successful. He'll keep falling in the polls as his opponents rise. I just am not thrilled about him, and his mistakes show he's very venerable, with his policies he proposes.Too many people not wanting him in office unless he wins the primaries indicates he's not what we need. Any Democrat running for the presidency will win , but Biden isn't my first or second or third choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. "Any Democrat running for the presidency will win."

That is a dangerous assumption to make in an important election as this one.

[redstateblues]

29. That jumped out at me as well. Overconfidence will sink our ship

[PatSeg]

32. Yes it is

It was assumed that Hillary would beat a clown like Trump in 2016.

[booley]

18. Do we want it to?

This is Biden's third Democratic primary and he has yet to ever win even one state.

Maybe propping up Joe Biden is not a good way to beat Trump.

[redstateblues]

30. It's Bernie's second-he lost by 3 million last time

[Gothmog]

19. Biden general counsel writes to Iowa Democratic Party about "considerable flaws" in caucus reporting

Link to tweet

[honest.abe]

23. Iowa wasn't going to matter regardless.

When Joe wins by a blowout in SC primary, Iowa will be a distant insignificant memory.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. No, not if he isn't even close to the first three finishers

Enthusiasm is lacking for him. It's one thing to come in second to someone "running in the progressive lane". It's another to come in a distant second to someone "running in the moderate lane" and fourth overall. There is no hiding it. NH will validate the relative lack of enthusiasm for Biden's candidacy.

[cwydro]

36. I originally had Biden as my candidate, but decided he just didn't have what it takes this time.

My closest friend was still for Biden, but she texted me this morning to say she no longer thought he was the best to beat the dotard.

She’s torn between Klobuchar and Buttigieg.

[ismnotwasm]

26. It doesn't matter

How’s he doing in Florida?

[Sunsky]

38. No

I wouldn't put so much weight on Iowa. Iowa's demographics isn't representative of the diversity of the Democratic base. Unfortunately it's the first state in the primary process. Let's wait until SC. If he does poorly or below expectation then he's in trouble.

[Garrett78]

45. It already has been. There are no headlines about Biden having a poor showing, about seeds of doubt.

Instead, it's all about the shitshow and lack of trust in the process.