Seth Abramson with a very astute observation on the candidates' responses from last night

[Roland99]

Link to tweet

One observation I want to make is that the two women behaved in a presidential fashion after the chaos in Iowa. Both gave gracious speeches and flew to New Hampshire. Meanwhile, Biden went to his lawyers, Pete declared "victory," and Bernie released confusing partial caucus data.

Link to tweet

PS/ I like Joe, I like Pete, and I like Bernie. I also think it's way past time for a woman to be in the White House. And I think how the candidates responded to the chaos yesterday is telling. It'd be difficult for anyone to argue that Warren and Klobuchar didn't handle it best.

[Rider3]

1. Men have had their chances...

for nearly all of existence. It's time for the women to take over and clean up the mess.

[KPN]

4. As a 69 year oild male married to the same wonderful woman for 41 years, I can't argue with you

one bit. Reading Abramson's tweet caused me to chuckle as I was reminded of me and my wife. She's certainly the better half by a mile when it comes to interpersonal and things that go awry and are not in her control. She never tries ti take charge, she just does by example.

[Loki Liesmith]

7. This is silly sexist wishcasting

To valorize women as some kind of saintly angels not captured by the same venal tendencies as men is to deprive them of moral agency and is the kind of anti-woman narrative one expects to see in a Victorian dimestore novella.

[Roland99]

9. Seth did nothing of the sort. He made an observation and wrote of it

It’s a factual observation

[pnwmom]

13. Whoa. Nice job twisting and distorting what he said.

He's right. The two women did handle it better.

[robbob]

14. Um...the reply wasn't directed at the OP

The “sexist wishcasting” (that’s a new phrase for me!) I believe is directed at the notion that a woman, simply by virtue of being a woman, will come in and clean up the mess. Two words in response to that: Margaret Thatcher. Arguably Great Britons twin to Ronald Reagan.

That being said, I love Elizabeth Warren and can’t argue with the OP’s contention that the woman candidates handled the situation best.

[AllyCat]

16. Rider3 makes a good point. Men have all the chances

And women have had none. POC have had only 1 chance. It’s well past time. We don’t know if women will clean up the mess because they have never had a chance.

[demmiblue]

23. Lol!

[squirecam]

12. Eliminate the men

Put Amy vs Warren in the debates.

Let the best woman win.

[berksdem]

21. as middle aged white male

I could not agree more! Both were very "presidential" IMO. I like Pete but think he was a bit overboard in his speech. Both Warren and Amy were very graceful.

[berksdem]

24. looks like this did not age well :_)

[KPN]

2. Why am I not surprised? This really is rich ...

[2naSalit]

3. K&R

[cilla4progress]

5. Warren/

Klobuchar?

[BlueMTexpat]

10. I would be very OK with that ticket!

[dalton99a]

6. It was uncharacteristic for the McKinsey number cruncher to act in the absence of data

[IndyOp]

17. He has data - it is posted in an Excel sheet on his campaign website.

The dataset is tiny (relative to the massive datasets he’s dealt with), the analysis is simple and the results are clear. If Seth can’t be bothered to look at the data, then that is his problem. We collect data to ascertain reality - independent of expectation and hopes and biased social filters.

[Zolorp]

8. Good observation

Might be changing things to Amy soon.

[apcalc]

11. I'm donating more to Amy.

[joost5]

22. I did too :)

I give a little bit after every event or debate to show support.

[IndyOp]

15. I strongly disagree. Let's all attack Dems for being timid. Wait!

Let’s attack a Dem who speaks out when they are confident of the results. Pete is a meticulous data collector, the data set is tiny, the analysis simple, and the results clear.

The Buttigieg Campaign posted all of their numbers in an Excel spreadsheet on the Buttigieg website. If Seth Abramson can’t be bothered to check the numbers, then that is a poor reflection on him. Pete isn’t stating an opinion - he has the data.

Pete would not claim he was victorious unless he was - if it turned out that he was wrong he would be the laughingstock of the nation.

One of Pete’s major at Oxford was economics for crissakes. He’s run his data through a bunch of different models and had to be certain he had been victorious before he claimed it so.

Also - if Senators Warren or Klobuchar had the numbers and were certain they had won I would’ve wanted them to shout it from the rooftops. Women need to assertively take the field and take up just as much space as males who feel entitled.

Dems have to make power plays to beat Repubs. Pete’s power play here is based on observing reality. In November - wouldn’t you like an operation like Pete’s to be way the fuck ahead of the game in terms of protecting our votes? He just did that.

P.S. LOVE SENATOR WARREN AND HAVE FOR DECADES. WOULD BE THRILLED TO WORK AND VOTE FOR HER IN NOVEMBER! I’m ticked at Abramson.

[ancianita]

18. Thanks. Good summary.

[alwaysinasnit]

19. George Carlin might have agreed and why he thought God had to be a man.

Starting at around minute 8:15

&list=RDYLuZjpxmsZQ&start_radio=1

[Kurt V.]

20. K&R