Both Bernie and Pete declared victory last night.... only one of them is right

[scheming daemons]

Though I guess technically, they both could be right.... One could've won the "first vote" and one could have won the "realigned vote".


But it is likely one of them will have egg on their face.


If Pete won... the Bernie campaign will scream "rigged!". If Bernie won... the Bernie campaign will STILL scream "rigged!".


It wasn't "rigged". Stop that shit now. It was a snafu, but the final results will be accurate - thanks to a paper trail.

[HerbChestnut]

1. Bernie's campaign expressed confidence about last night and said they did very well, but...

...they didn't outright claim victory like the Buttigieg campaign. Internal data shows Bernie's campaign leading with 40% of the precincts reported, but there's obviously plenty left to report which could change the outcome. We won't know until the full results are reported, which apparently won't be today.

[R B Garr]

2. Wasn't it leaked that the Sanders campaign planned on giving

a victory speech before official results came in? I think I read that here a few days ago. If so, kudos to Pete for beating Bernie at his own game.

[HerbChestnut]

5. No, a report was spun that way.

What the report said was that multiple campaigns might try to spin the results, which were going to be reported three different ways:

1. First alignment.
2. Final alignment.
3. Delegates awarded.

The report did not specify which campaigns would do what exactly.

[LakeArenal]

3. Go Pete.

I was where there were no Caucasus info.

Thought I heard Klobuchar was in the lead?

Go Amy!!

[Scurrilous]

4. I say take it to the Thunderdome.

[apcalc]

6. So you " win" a caucus... BFD

[Kentonio]

7. You just accused Bernie people of saying something in the future

And then demanded they stop saying it. Which they haven’t actually done yet.

[scheming daemons]

8. No... all over social media RIGHT NOW... Bernie supporters are screaming "rigged"

[Kentonio]

11. People really need to stop getting angry over things random folks on social media say.

It’s full of trolls, bots, repukes trying to get a rise out of us, and so on and so forth. Most of them aren’t real supporters, they’re just out to get a reaction. Don’t give them free satisfaction.

[W_HAMILTON]

10. Judging from a damn near half decade of Sanders supporters behavior...

...you can rest assured that the original poster is correct in predicting what Sanders supporters will say.

If Sanders loses, they will claim it was rigged. If Sanders wins, they will claim it was rigged to take the wind out of his sails from winning.

You can take that to the bank.

[Kentonio]

12. Oh please

The difference between what Bernie supporters are supposedly like (according to people who see all the trolls on Twitter) and what his real supporters are actually like is worlds apart.

[W_HAMILTON]

14. You won't have to go on Twitter to see that we will be proven correct.

You will see it right here on DU -- hell, thinking back, I think we have seen those exact arguments I listed already being made last night on here.

If you are one of the few (only?) Sanders supporters that have never pushed a """rigged!!1!""" narrative, it's nice to meet you.

[jmg257]

9. Bernie literally just said the opposite - 'you can not claim you won without

all the data'.

[scheming daemons]

13. ... "but here's my campaign manager to explain to you that we won"

Very Trumpian.


"It is premature for any campaign to say they won. But we won."

[aikoaiko]

15. Where exactly did Bernie claim victory?

He didn't declare victory. He expressed confidence based on internal numbers.

Because this is the email I received from his campaign:

Last night was a bad night for democracy, for the Democratic Party, and for the people of Iowa.

But because you have done so much for this campaign, and in the interest of full transparency as we wait for the Iowa Democratic Party to release results, we want to share the numbers that we have at this moment:

As a result of an extraordinary grassroots campaign, fueled by thousands of volunteers who knocked on hundreds of thousands of doors, our internal results sent to us by precinct captains around the state indicate that with almost 50% of the vote in, we have a comfortable lead. Our numbers also show Pete Buttigieg is currently in second, followed by Elizabeth Warren, then Joe Biden and Amy Klobuchar.

Let me reiterate that these are unofficial results, but we wanted to share them to let you know we feel very good about where we are at right now as we head to New Hampshire.

But we need your help to win in New Hampshire, and Bernie cannot do it alone:

Can you make a contribution to our campaign? If we continue to fight, we are not only going to win in New Hampshire, but we are going to win this nomination, defeat Donald Trump, and transform this country

[scheming daemons]

16. His campaign, based on 40% of carefully selected precincts that are favorable to him...claims he won