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[squirecam]

24. This is a bad look for him

Move on to NH NV and SC.

[George II]

86. It's FALSE, and John King has admitted it:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

91. IT's FALSE..

Link to tweet

[GumboYaYa]

2. I guess we know who lost Iowa now.....

look the other way, that fourth place finish means nothing!

[Scurrilous]

22. Iowa lost.

[HerbChestnut]

3. Welp...

Guess that's the writing on the wall for the Biden campaign...

[Scurrilous]

23. Yes it over now.

If you are an utter [redacted].

[George II]

89. Sorry to disappoint, it turns out that "report" came from an opposing (unnamed) campaign....

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the campaign that is putting out precise percentages even before all the counting has been completed:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

93. IT's FALSE.

Link to tweet

[George II]

4. "Reportedly mulling"...yeah, that's definitive. Why does CNN do crap like this?

[Zoonart]

5. NOT A GOOD LOOK!

[brooklynite]

13. Why do you object to this story/

Shane Goldmacher (NY Times) reporting that Biden campaign objected to release on call between IDP and campaigns.? Not a stretch to think CNN et al were able to reach out to contacts in Biden campaign.

[George II]

16. IF a suit is filed THEN they should report it. Reporting on speculation is ridiculous.

[brooklynite]

21. I don't know what newspapers you read...

...but from what I see, reporting things that are being discussed or planned are fair game.

[George II]

85. CNN has now retracted that "breaking news" and admits it came from another campaign....

See John King's tweet below and please correct the OP to reflect this. Thanks.

Link to tweet

[oasis]

94. Hack "journalist" Jonathan Allen eavesdrops a John Kerry phone chat

then reports Kerry's plan to run for the nomination.

"fair game".

[Amishman]

14. Yup, fanning rumor and speculation

I wouldn't be surprised if their 'source' is part of a rival campaign

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

6. Good. At this point they should not muddy the waters with incomplete results.

Put out all the numbers when they are clear.

Don't compound the screw up.

[left-of-center2012]

7. Say goodnight, Joe

[LongtimeAZDem]

75. It was bogus dirty tricks from Biden's opponents:

Link to tweet

[DarthDem]

79. John King Says He Was Stupid

Wow.

[jalan48]

8. Whoa! His campaign is self-imploding.

[George II]

10. .

[Scurrilous]

17. Someone's party balloon just got punctured.

[SaschaHM]

9. Good. They shouldn't be releasing partial results from a messy caucus.

Either release the whole thing or don't do it at all. Don't try to create some narrative going into New Hampshire to distract from your f*ck up. If you can't verify the rest of the results, why should anyone trust the partials.

[still_one]

82. Exactly, and the OP intentionally left that detail out of the title which from my perspective

makes this flamebait

[highplainsdem]

11. Your subject line is misleading. He's suing to block early release of partial results.

Nothing there to indicate he doesn't want complete results released.

[George II]

12. Plus, "reportedly mulling" certainly doesn't qualify as "BREAKING"!

[George II]

87. CNN has admitted they shouldn't have reported on something they got from a opposing campaign:

Link to tweet

[highplainsdem]

90. Yep. Just posted an OP about their report being BS.

[LeftTurn3623]

15. its bad for Joe

I think someone said he could finish 5th behind Amy. If that is true it could be over for Joe.

[Scurrilous]

18. I heard someone say the earth is flat, if true it could be over, all the way over, for the fish.

[MontanaFarmer]

19. I think it's possible he finished 5th.

If he did, it means some bad news cycles. If he actually gets the results shut down, it means worse news cycles. I'm currently supporting him but that's a bad, bad look if it indeed comes to pass. Trial balloon maybe?

[Scurrilous]

20. I heard he disqualified. Back in September.

No wait...consulting entrails...he finished sixth!

[MontanaFarmer]

25. It's funny because in the delegate math it means so very little.

But if Biden is 5th at this juncture of his career, imagine the narrative coming out of it. Not pretty, especially because next week isn't going to be a whole bunch better, potentially. Don't get me wrong I'm not abandoning him, and the calendar definitely gets more favorable in a month, but that's a long month if he doesn't get a decent result someplace.

[Scurrilous]

30. Relax. All is well.

Link to tweet

[LeftTurn3623]

59. if you belive that then you do not follow politics

and he might not even finish 4th but he will get hammered in the news cycle. He wont generate money to fight it off which his numbers in the other upcoming states will start to drop.

[Scurrilous]

60. LOL

I don't listen to corporate media. I haven't watched TV news in over 2 decades. I could care less about their spin. Even less for speculation on that spin. And I've been following politics since the 60's. Sell it elsewhere.

[LeftTurn3623]

65. well you can put your head in the sand all you want

its doesnt mean it isnt true and it doesnt mean that the spin does not matter.

[Scurrilous]

71. You should concentrate on what's important.

I posted a tweet somewhere on this thread where someone noted how 1 county in Texas negates all of Iowa and NH. People in larger states like me (FL) laugh at wee Iowa and NH and their bloated sense of importance. The difference in Iowa between first and fourth is less than 5 delegates, out of the roughly 1900 needed for nomination. Biden is way ahead in 3 out 4 of the biggest states. Spin that. Iowa is over (thank God). Their impact fizzled. Time to go on. All the way to the convention.

BTW..it's fun to go back and read the stuff that was said when Santorum, Huckabee, and Ted Cruz all won Iowa for the GOP. The spin didn't help them.

[LongtimeAZDem]

76. It isn't true:

Link to tweet

"incoming from rival campaigns"

[R B Garr]

36. I think the difference this cycle is that Sanders will be

fighting with all the other Dems who are a threat to him. It’s already starting —with Warren a couple weeks ago and now Mayor Pete. Before he only had Hillary to run down.

[Scurrilous]

53. Yep. Its good to see Pete back in the ring, esp. after all the 'Mayo Pete' slurs from the bros.

I like to keep things in perspective while enjoying the show. You think this place is nuts, you should see Twitter. LO

Iowa - 3.156 million. NH - 1.356 million Harris county TX - 4.653 million Miami Dade county FL (me) - 2.744 million

Link to tweet

[Mike 03]

26. If Iowa is so unimportant, as DUers keep reminding us, why is Joe overreacting like this?

Half the polls showed him doing poorly here. He prepared voters for this possibility. Pundits say it's not a surprise. So why is he acting like it's unexpected?

Why is he calling so much attention to the Iowa results? Everybody will be wondering the same thing.

[Scurrilous]

32. One man's overreacting is another man's judicious use of the court system to get fair results.

[Jarqui]

27. Don't do it Joe. It will backfire.

Lick your wounds and move on.

Address the smear.

[DeterDeter]

28. that's a disingenuous headline

[Rider3]

29. For f's sake

Why can't anything in government get done without a trial or investigation? How can it be this country's leaders are SO corrupt? It's insane how bad this country is.

[Sanity Claws]

31. If that is true, poor form and bad look.

Not believing it yet because it looks so bad.

[aeromanKC]

33. I'm about ready to change my prefetence

From Biden to Bloomberg. Dems need to win!! We can't fuck around.

[cwydro]

50. A good friend of mine, a Biden supporter, changed her mind over the last week.

The last 24 hours have put the nail in the coffin as far as she is concerned.

He’s a good guy, but I just don’t think he’s the one to beat the orange idiot.

[k2qb3]

78. That's been my take for quite a while now.

I like Joe. I probably would have voted for him if he'd ran last cycle.

I don't think he's got 8 years of presidential acuity left in him, or 8 months even.

I'm not strongly affiliated either, several better candidates IMO.

[stopbush]

62. Well I'm not going to push anyone toward Bloomberg,

but...

[LeftTurn3623]

63. I understand you thoughts

but would you consider Pete?

He is a moderate - speaks better than any of them - was in the military

[Garrett78]

35. Terrible optics. Just take the gift and run.

With the narrative being all about the shitshow and about how the process can't be trusted, why draw attention to your poor showing?

Of course, there are reasons why Biden's previous attempts to get nominated ended so quickly. He's always been bad at this. Obama's coattails can only do so much.

[emmaverybo]

58. An accomplished VP Obama entrusted with significant issues who came through for that administration

every time, yet preserved his independence as a popular and respected political figure, is not
riding on coattails when he refers to successes he was a vital part of.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/12/joe-biden-the-most-influential-vice-president-in-history/266729/

[BeyondGeography]

84. +1

[Zolorp]

37. Sounds to me like they want ALL the results, not partial results.

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Scurrilous]

38. Still leads nationally? But I heard it's over?

Link to tweet

[DeterDeter]

39. hmmm

Link to tweet

[LongtimeAZDem]

40. Inaccurate headline; at most, the campaign MAY be seeking to block partial results before all result

are available, and stating it as you did is inflammatory.

Disappointed by this.

[DeterDeter]

42. yup

disappointing but not surprising

[still_one]

83. Thank-you. Disappointment in the OP title is an understatement, more like intentional flamebait

[Jirel]

41. Get over it, Joe.

You lost. That happens in politics. They had backup methods to record votes outside the app. Don’t make it worse on the Iowa voters. That’s not a good look for you.

[emulatorloo]

51. A "bad look" to ask IDP to wait until they can produce 100% of the results?

Rather than just reporting 50% of the results? If this story is true, it seems reasonable that IDP Should wait until they are able release 100% of the data.

On Edit, per post below, the story is false.

Link to tweet

[DeterDeter]

52. Yep

Elizabeth Warren seems to think that they should release the full results at once as well.

[cwydro]

43. Whoa.

Not a good look.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

45. Ha ha ha ha ha

[DeterDeter]

47. more

Link to tweet

[Progress_Dem]

49. And now the walk back

[TheRealNorth]

64. Maybe the MSM has found a new savior in Bloomberg and are eager to throw Biden under the bus

[Devil Child]

48. Please do it Joe

Means I can reference this anytime a Sen. Sanders critic makes a "RIGGED!" reference.

[mcar]

54. False

Link to tweet

?s=20

A Biden aide tells me the report that the Biden campaign is seeking an injunction against release of the Iowa results is "100% false."

[DEbluedude]

55. Joe,

No. just fuckin' no.

[stonecutter357]

56. good let's go Joe !

[TheRealNorth]

57. Hopefully this is just CNN fuckwaddery

I REALLY liked Biden's speech last night, but if tries to throw out the Iowa vote, he is opening the door for Trump to try to do the same in November.

[stopbush]

61. Bad optics! tRumpian!

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

66. All the results should be released at once.

Let's not cock this up any more than has been.

How hard can it be to get accurate numbers?

Having to walk back "winners" and "losers" would only undermine the results further.

Get this right.

[Politicub]

67. There are no accounts of Biden doing well in Iowa

If he had a poor showing, he’s only drawing more attention to himself. Just accept the results and move on, good or bad.

[DeterDeter]

68. sounds like this initial report came from rival campaigns

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

92. John King covering his ass.

[Bradical79]

69. Why are you posting news from a Kentucky mayor?

I don't understand why the Mayor of Coal Run, KY is being used as a source for "breaking news". He's even citing a "news" source started by Tucker Carlson.

[zackymilly]

70. Move on. It's only one state. nt

[greenjar_01]

72. A story being circulated by opposing campaign operatives, sorta like this thread

[LongtimeAZDem]

73. John King it basically admitting this came from Biden's opponents:

Link to tweet

"incoming from rival campaigns" = "ratfucking"

[TheRealNorth]

81. Stupid CNN shouldn't report be reporting "rumors" from the other campaign

Otherwise, we will utterly be fucked if every rumor started by the Trump fever swamp merits reporting.

[emmaverybo]

74. And John Kerry is abandoning Biden to enter the fray. This story suits the narrative that Biden is a

sore loser. Yet he is widely respected by supporters and competitors alike, has never earned a bitter, divisive, sore loser reputation by word or deed over a lifetime career!

I suppose if Biden can’t be preemptively buried by the yet-to-be-released results, the next best thing is to jump on rumors.

Iowa’s process earns the bad optics. All candidates should be critical of it.

[Iliyah]

77. So it is a lie . . .

[DarthDem]

80. Hmmmm, Yet Another Lie About Biden

I wonder whom the "Republicans" and their Russian sponsors fear most?

[Kingofalldems]

88. Take this thread down.