What Good Is Partial Results?

[Me.]

the ones they are releasing at 5pm, if the partial winner is different from the overall winner?

[Zolorp]

1. From what I gather, this is why Biden's lawyers are trying to stop the release.

All of the results or wait until you have all of the results.

[Me.]

2. It Should Be Stopped

unbelievable, especially when you have Sanders' people out there gaming the results

[Rilgin]

4. All Bernie all the time if you want to bash

paraphrased some version of the following.

Biden: We did really well in Iowa. Off to NH.
Buttigieg: We did really well in Iowa. Off to NH.
Warren. We did really well in Iowa. Off to NH.
Klobucher. We did really well in Iowa. Off to NH.
Sanders. We did really well in Iowa. Off to NH.
All Candidates. Some version of "the problems with this Caucus reporting are unfortunate."
All Candidates. We met our objectives and have momentum.

ME: "Sanders people {are}out there gaming the results."

[Me.]

6. But None Gave Numbers As Weaver Did

and telling the truth isn't bashing

[Rilgin]

7. Every Campaign is releasing statements

Joe says he did really well without actual results.
Amy says she did really well without actual results including a claim she might have beaten Joe.
Buttigieg said he "won" last night and also released some of his internal poll numbers which roughly agrees with Bernie.
Bernie last night developed his own app and today released his internal poll numbers at all times identifying them as internal and partial to support his claim that he did well.
Both Buttigieg and Bernie both did not say they were official and both are getting hurt by the delay because all exit polls and media reports show they are 1 and 2. Amy and Warren are being hurt by the Delay because it hurts their fund raising because it delays claiming they exceeded expectations. Joe is minimizing the results before they come out as he would do in the way he would have if they had actually had results last night because he is running for President and this is what politicians do

Your post is just a bash of one candidate. All of the candidates have responded appropriately given the delay. All of them. Your post is just a divisive bash based on nothing. None of the candidates are saying anything other than the official results will come and that lucky there is a paper trail. For this bash on Bernie you deserve no credit towards what I imagine is your daily bash quota.

This season, I actually favor Warren but respect and admire Bernie and feel resentful at the constant bashing he and supporters receive. If as you obviously hope and as others post, Bernie can not win the Primary, your bashing is irrelevant. if he can and does win, think of the damage to unity we will need to beat Trump. Do not bash candidates you disagree with or don't favor. Do not bash them, just do not vote for them. Boost your own candidate do not bash others.

[Me.]

9. As I Said

and quoting Weaver here, he said they got 39% and as I also said quoting is not bashing but truth

and who, by the way, made you hall monitor/censor of truth?

[Rilgin]

10. Not Truth. A Lie.

The Buttigieg campaign released detailed number from their internal polling but you said only Weaver released numbers. An out and out lie.

Further, every campaign has the candidate managers and surrogates out spinning ahead of the numbers. All appropriate as they respond to the delay. Yet you only attack Bernie and claim that only he released his internal polls. This is an absolute lie further compounded by the fact that neither campaign misrepresents their numbers as other than their internal polls.

I do not know what your daily quota is for bashing Bernie over nothing and then lying but you certainly made progress towards fulfilling that quota.

[Me.]

11. You Don't Know What You're Taliking About

and fake little insults all to push a certain candidate forward places you exactly as a supporter of that candidate and your nonsense about he isn't your fave is just that. Where Weaver got 39% I don't know and frankly don't care as I am used to seeing false talk from that campaign from. As for quotas, I wonder what yous is for trying to push against truth with fake attacks.

[Rilgin]

12. You ready to retract your lie or just want to double down or change goal posts?

Here is a direct quote from: Me: "But None Gave Numbers As Weaver Did" . This was in a response to my post where I told you that Buttigieg campaign released numbers. You then posted that Weaver was the only one who gave numbers. When it was pointed out this was a lie, you then said where did they come up with 39% number. That was another lie. Quoting a news report on weavers post which shows he did not use a 39 figure. It looks like with actual results in now for 60% Buttigieg is currently winning about 27 to 24 but again its partial and does not discount the fact you lied about a claim of 39.

"Sanders senior adviser Jeff Weaver said the numbers it was reporting early Tuesday morning represented nearly 40% of precincts in Iowa. Weaver said the results were collected by trained Sanders volunteers. The precincts represented all four congressional districts and both rural and urban locations. Weaver said.
The results the Sanders campaign reported had Sanders in the lead with 29.66% of the vote."

Your posts are both actual and intentional lies buy but you doubled down on them. Eventually we will know what the numbers are but we already know that Sanders and Buttigieg did well and if they have internal polling showing they won, they are entitled to tell their supporters. Everyone knows they are the leaders and will be 1 and 2 when the actual numbers come out. The Press Agree and more importantly the other campaigns. Amy's campaign manager stated that it was Bernie and Pete out front and the claim was that Amy might beat Joe. These are all appropriate. All the candidates are also giving appropriate responses. NONE bashing other candidates for their responses. Take a hint and read your own post saying This has to Stop. Stop bashing Bernie for nothing. Please note that at no time did I bash other candidates. I think they are all entitled to react as they see fit. If any candidate claims something that is drastically untrue, they will be attacked then as bad spiining. But Weaver or the Buttigieg campaign telling supporters they expect to win when this is the case, is totally appropriate till the results come out.

As for you, again, are you going to keep lying that Weaver is the only one that released numbers as the basis for your nonsensical attack on Bernie's campaign for reacting to the delay as they deem fit given they are indeed likely to win and are being deprived of claiming actual victory on the day of voting. Admit you were claiming things that were absolutely and verifiably untrue because you want to slam Bernie or keep it up but you are currently lying and double downing on those lies.

[Me.]

13. Hey Bro

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287475170

[Rilgin]

14. That is actual numbers on 60% returns ... however

Your post claims that Weaver claimed they estimate 39% which is NOT what Weaver claimed so your claim again is a lie. Right now with 62% MSNBC shows Sanders with 25%. It looks like Weavers estimate which said it was based on 40% internal polls from his watchers show that in those caucuses Bernie was leading with 29.8%. It looks like this internal poll will end up being is high but the actual results are not all reported either.. We will see where it ends up but this does not let you claim you were right that he said 39%.. HE DID NOT AND YOUR CLAIM IS A LIE unless you retract it and your earlier lie that only he released numbers.

[Me.]

15. Big Word For You Bro...Lying

I guess you don't like the words coming out of his mouth in an interview but too bad.

You can screech all you want, won't change the fact that they skewed around with the numbers. Were they lying?

[Rilgin]

16. You said he said 39. He said 29. That is you lying (NT)

[Me.]

19. Oh Now You Concede He Did It

so stomping all over my typo doesn't change anything, they still were putting out numbers that were'nt verifiable at the time. Boo Hoo Bro.

[Rilgin]

21. Ok First Retraction saying that your inflated number was only a typo (NT)

[Rilgin]

17. You said Weaver was the only one releasing any numbers. He wasnt. That is your lying (NT)

[Me.]

20. At That Time He Was, But You Bro, Wouldn't Know That

[Rilgin]

22. Another Lie -- Link provided

Your post was at 1130 am.

https://whotv.com/2020/02/04/buttigieg-campaign-releases-internal-iowa-caucus-data/

This report was made at 530 am before your post. When you claimed Weaver was the only one, you were wrong. When you double downed by saying at the time, you were wrong. Your failure to just retract means you are lying for a purpose.

[Me.]

23. Internal Data Is Not The Caucus Data, Bro

THat's not what the votes were and what Weaver was talking about. There's a difference you know, Bro.

So long, you just don't seems to get it.

[Rilgin]

24. Weaver directly said the numbers were from HIS poll watchers, not official. You know that.

Just retract. Weaver did not claim his numbers were official. You are now lying as well as moving goal posts. He was predicting as was Buttigieg as to what the numbers would end up as their estimate based only on 40% reporting to them of their volunteers.
You know all this because its been pointed out.

Meanwhile you do not retract your clear direct lies that Weaver was the only one giving their internal numbers. Stop lying about stupid stuff just to attack a candidate you don't like. Just don't vote for him but lying is bad no matter who does it.

[Rilgin]

18. These Untruths have been pointed out to you a few times without any retraction. (NT)

[LeftTurn3623]

3. my guess is they are going to start releasing results

as they come in like they should have done last night - more will come through the night

[RobertDevereaux]

5. From Bernie's email today...

Last night was a bad night for democracy, for the Democratic Party, and for the
people of Iowa.

But because you have done so much for this campaign, and in the interest of full
transparency as we wait for the Iowa Democratic Party to release results, we want to
share the numbers that we have at this moment:

As a result of an extraordinary grassroots campaign, fueled by thousands of
volunteers who knocked on hundreds of thousands of doors, our internal results sent
to us by precinct captains around the state indicate that with close to 60% of the
vote in, we have a comfortable lead. Our numbers also show Pete Buttigieg is
currently in second, followed by Elizabeth Warren, then Amy Klobuchar and Joe Biden.

Let me reiterate that these are unofficial results, but we wanted to share them to
let you know we feel very good about where we are at right now as we head to New
Hampshire.

[Aaron Pereira]

8. At least it allows cross-reference with the data individual campaigns have gathered.

I'd rather have them make a partial release for that reason alone.