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jg10003

(975 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:52 PM Feb 2020

why doesn't the candidate with the most votes have the most delegates?

I'm sure this has been covered on DU before, but I missed it. Right now with 67% precincts in Sanders has more votes but Buttigieg has more delegates. I don't understand.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
2. at each individual precinct the delegates are allocated
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:53 PM
Feb 2020

and not all precincts are weighed equally

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
6. image two equal sized districts
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:56 PM
Feb 2020

which both have the same number of voters

but twice as many people showed up to caucus in one district as the other.
The caucus votes are weighted half as much since there were more people attending but there weren't more voters (delegates) to allocate

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KPN

(15,641 posts)
10. Yay. An explanation that makes sense, but
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:59 PM
Feb 2020

is only as sensible as the electoral college.

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jg10003

(975 posts)
11. thanks, that's a good explanation
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 07:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

KPN

(15,641 posts)
7. How are they weighted? Hard to understand
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:57 PM
Feb 2020

this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
12. image two equal sized districts with the same number of delegates to allocate
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 07:05 PM
Feb 2020

but one district has 2x as many people caucusing

the individual caucus votes will count less because they are representing fewer actual people

district A 10,000 voters, 4 delegates, 100 caucusees. each caucusee = 4/100 of delegate

district B 10,000 voters, 4 delegates, 200 caucusees. each caucusee = 4/200 of a delegate




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jg10003

(975 posts)
15. got it. it's very much like the electoral college, results are weighted
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 07:14 PM
Feb 2020

In favor of precincts with fewer people.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
16. no, that is the wrong conclusion
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 07:21 PM
Feb 2020

from this data.

There is a fair representation problem....but that is not what this is demonstrating.
The number of delegates per district is NOT decided by the caucus.

The caucus merely allocates the number of delegates which were already assigned to the district.

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KPN

(15,641 posts)
18. Thanks. Now it makes sense -- at least as far as how
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020

it works. So caucuses really are a double edged sword. Interesting.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
3. Others have compared it to the electoral college
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:54 PM
Feb 2020

Some win precincts with larger margins, some win more precincts.

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KPN

(15,641 posts)
19. And neither necessarily amounts to the most
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:11 PM
Feb 2020

supporters/votes overall.

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Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
4. Because the votes are in fact for delegates, not directly for candidates ...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:54 PM
Feb 2020

... so it can legitimately break that way.

Same sort of business as the electoral college in miniature.

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elleng

(130,825 posts)
5. Weighting, based on who knows what.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:54 PM
Feb 2020
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Mike Nelson

(9,949 posts)
8. I think people...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:58 PM
Feb 2020

... can change their votes, if their first choice isn't "viable" - and then there is a proportional thing. Also, if you live in Iowa and just want to vote, you can't.. you have to "caucus" instead. I hope states doing this have time to change!

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
9. My interpretation of what CNN said ...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:59 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders had a lot of young people show up in precints with college towns, and fewer in other areas.

So he got a higher ‘person count’ state wide.

But Pete won more precincts by having representation in more precincts than Bernie.

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KPN

(15,641 posts)
20. That sounds like it in a nutshell. Or you could describe it as Buttigieg had a better ground game
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:14 PM
Feb 2020

overall and in more districts/precincts.

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