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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:34 PM Feb 2020

Is it me or are Biden supporters really angry at everyone except for Biden

for doing poorly? It seems like Biden supporters are lashing out at Sanders and Sanders supporters quite a bit as if Sanders has somehow undercut him rather than just being someone who is appealing to more people.

I mean, in the end it comes down to the candidate and how they present themselves and who responds to who they are.

And to be honest I have been a fan of Biden for a long time. I wished at the time that Obama had not chosen him to be VP because I thought he was really effective in the Senate, especially with Ted Kennedy still there. But now, to me his age has caught up with him and overtaken him in his speech and his communications and he is just not as effective as he was and that people see that, especially millennials.

Again, I don't know if it's just me but it feels like there is some rage that may be displaced here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Is it me or are Biden supporters really angry at everyone except for Biden (Original Post) peoli Feb 2020 OP
Nope. onecaliberal Feb 2020 #1
its just you nt msongs Feb 2020 #2
yup.... burningberniebots at it again whistler162 Feb 2020 #34
It ain't you PDittie Feb 2020 #3
Trust Me calguy Feb 2020 #4
I do trust you. Cha Feb 2020 #16
It's definitely just you. CatMor Feb 2020 #5
Trust me, it's not you. jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #6
It isn't you .... jb5150 Feb 2020 #7
I think some (not all) Biden supporters feel entitled to the win. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #8
Thank you lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #24
I've 'been spanked' for saying Sander won't win period and Warren only with a really good VP Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #51
I share that sentiment Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #54
I think that is projection...if anyone feels entitled to win it is Sander's supporters...(not all). Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #52
Less an issue of entitlement than pretty clear evidence he was intentionally hindered in 2016. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #76
"hardly a legitimate qualification by itself" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #58
When I say by itself, I mean people isolating that as their only criteria... Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #75
It's just you. Seems like you are trying to stir the pot emulatorloo Feb 2020 #9
I am just asking a question peoli Feb 2020 #50
Then why don't you post links to some examples of Bidens supporters who you think LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #83
It's just you; we're not upset about Biden's showing at all. It's pretty much exactly what we've LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #10
Such few delegates and such a stupid process...why do folks pour millions of dollars into Iowa? Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #48
Because it's first so the media make a BFD over it and ascribe importance to it The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #81
Yep. You said it. Short and to the point. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #87
Nope. displacedtexan Feb 2020 #115
I am not nor do I know any Biden suporters that are angry. GemDigger Feb 2020 #11
I am not hearing anger marlakay Feb 2020 #12
It's just you. I'm not seeing it. octoberlib Feb 2020 #13
oddly enough OUR REVOLUTION is unwanted by the huge majority in Iowa lol nt msongs Feb 2020 #14
Oh I don't like them. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #36
I do pick up a lot negative waves from many of them CentralMass Feb 2020 #15
No anger or rage, everything is going according to plan bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #17
Biden lacks the Mamba Mentality d_b Feb 2020 #18
What is the Mamba Mentality? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #20
I didn't know either, so I just looked it up. It's this: wackadoo wabbit Feb 2020 #29
Given Bryant's history with women I'm not sure that's something I would covet. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #31
Hard work outweighs talent -- every time lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #104
I am not a Kobe Bryant fan (although sorry about the kids) I am a woman. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #45
Just you. nolabear Feb 2020 #19
Whatever the impetus, I've observed this as well lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #21
Not angry. Unless it's about something unethical like a rival campaign lying to a journalist about highplainsdem Feb 2020 #22
Not just you peoli Devil Child Feb 2020 #23
I haven't seen that. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #25
I haven't seen any anger from Biden supporters. LisaM Feb 2020 #37
Agree with you. Only anger I have seen is over false news story. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #88
I actually praised Buttigieg in another thread. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #26
Yes, I did too. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #40
Me too. I'm good with the nominee's last name beginning with a B and I'll accept a K too. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #70
I am not a Biden supporter. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #27
You are always fair sheshe2. I have great respect for Warren supporters because their preference emmaverybo Feb 2020 #89
I have the very same respect for Biden supporters. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #92
Thank you, sheshe2. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #93
Maybe they're mad because other candidates lie about Biden. dem4decades Feb 2020 #28
im not angry at anyone..are you? samnsara Feb 2020 #30
Nope, it's just you. Polly Hennessey Feb 2020 #32
Not me. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #33
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #35
It not just you.... LakeArenal Feb 2020 #38
Congrats to Pete and his campaign workers for a job well done. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #39
It's not just you TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #41
If you need proof TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #53
It is the Blame Bernie for everything and I mean everything contingent here at DU Rilgin Feb 2020 #113
Nope... haven;t seen any rage at all. Lisa0825 Feb 2020 #42
It is you...we don't give two shits about Iowa...although I would point out we only have a partial Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #43
Nope FloridaBlues Feb 2020 #44
I'm a Warren supporter xmas74 Feb 2020 #46
Nice Try BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #47
It's you. mac56 Feb 2020 #49
You are calling out supporters treestar Feb 2020 #55
"It ain't me babe".... George II Feb 2020 #56
It's just you. Some are, some aren't. slumcamper Feb 2020 #57
I'm not angry peggysue2 Feb 2020 #59
Not just you. zentrum Feb 2020 #60
That's not what the OP said; they claimed that Biden supporters think he did poorly LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #100
It's you Green Line Feb 2020 #61
It's not just you melman Feb 2020 #62
I don't give a shit about Bernie Sanders. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #63
Come on Dems Traildogbob Feb 2020 #64
It's just you. Pololv Feb 2020 #65
There are a lot of hurt feelings out there but they must realize that Iowa is a red state yaesu Feb 2020 #66
Not just you, I guess others just have pretty extensive ignore lists? MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #67
Sanders is appealing to LESS people not more! Check the stats from 2016 and he has lost UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #68
Kind of feels like a bit of projection Dirtdude Feb 2020 #69
For me, its been Biden posters TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #71
Good distinction, goofy vs red baiting or sneering attacks. Most of Liz's JudyM Feb 2020 #72
Sanders supporters TwilightZone Feb 2020 #77
Yup TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #114
I have to say...this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen...terrible. Democrats only Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #80
Thank you. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #91
+1000 sheshe2 Feb 2020 #94
Why? Because I am telling you what I hear from Swing/non-voters in my friends and family circle TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #98
Those states do not represent America's racial, cultural, and ethnic diversity. We should care very emmaverybo Feb 2020 #90
It's attitudes like this TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #97
The point is that they all count. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #102
I agree with you TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #106
I think the results do count, but still think these two states should not go first and be considered emmaverybo Feb 2020 #107
Yeah, it kinda does Cha Feb 2020 #74
Angry? Why in the world would I be angry about a process taking its natural course? IluvPitties Feb 2020 #73
IA Means JackSh*t to the Outcome in 2020 Indykatie Feb 2020 #78
It's you. ploppy Feb 2020 #79
Yeah, it's you... radical noodle Feb 2020 #82
I beg to differ quickesst Feb 2020 #84
Nope..I simply don't like Sanders. It has nothing to do with how Biden helpisontheway Feb 2020 #85
Wow, I can not believe greyl Feb 2020 #86
Are fleeing to Bloomberg. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #95
My only concern with Bloomberg TheRealNorth Feb 2020 #96
There's no evidence of that. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #103
IA was indeed, Bernie's to win or lose. I doubt anyone expected Biden to walk out w/ the blue ribbon LanternWaste Feb 2020 #99
it's just you handmade34 Feb 2020 #101
I'm not angry at anyone. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #105
It's not just you. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #108
I'm not angry at Bernie or anyone else seeking the nomination Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #109
I'm angry at Bernie and his supporters trying to steal the spotlight from Mayor Pete Politicub Feb 2020 #110
Interesting. ehrnst Feb 2020 #111
Who says I'm angry? Wednesdays Feb 2020 #112
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
34. yup.... burningberniebots at it again
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:04 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,180 posts)
16. I do trust you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:43 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
5. It's definitely just you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:37 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
6. Trust me, it's not you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:37 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
8. I think some (not all) Biden supporters feel entitled to the win.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020

Much of his viability leans on his experience as VP. But that's hardly a legitimate qualification by itself. Nevertheless, his supporters feel as if he DESERVES to win which is a totally backward way of thinking about who is the best candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
24. Thank you
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:50 PM
Feb 2020

Despite the chorus of dismissive "nopes" here, I've been gang-spanked by Biden supporters here for suggesting the danger of a repeat 2016 debacle, running the lukewarm candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
51. I've 'been spanked' for saying Sander won't win period and Warren only with a really good VP
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:17 PM
Feb 2020

for the Mid West and even then, it will be an uphill battle...so what ? It is a primary...we all have our favorites at DU. You need a thick skin to be here during primaries...I have no idea if you were here in other primaries but 16 was about the worst I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,516 posts)
54. I share that sentiment
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:24 PM
Feb 2020

For all the never-ending poll postings on here I think Biden would be weaker candidate for several reasons and a repeat of 2016 would be a very real danger.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
52. I think that is projection...if anyone feels entitled to win it is Sander's supporters...(not all).
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:18 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
76. Less an issue of entitlement than pretty clear evidence he was intentionally hindered in 2016.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:00 AM
Feb 2020

We see a similar pattern of behavior by the DNC (and some Democrats) today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,469 posts)
58. "hardly a legitimate qualification by itself"
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:32 PM
Feb 2020

Well, he was also in Congress for 35 years, but I guess that doesn't count for whatever reason.

Are you going to similarly discount Sanders' Congressional experience? How about the other candidates who are or have been in Congress?

That's a pretty odd way to look at things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
75. When I say by itself, I mean people isolating that as their only criteria...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 11:55 PM
Feb 2020

Not that Biden possesses no other qualifications.

If you agree with Biden's policy positions, have at it. But if you're voting for him because of some nebulous idea of his "experience," then that's not enough. The same goes for Sanders supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emulatorloo

(44,119 posts)
9. It's just you. Seems like you are trying to stir the pot
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020

to maybe get people fighting?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
50. I am just asking a question
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:17 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
83. Then why don't you post links to some examples of Bidens supporters who you think
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:56 AM
Feb 2020

are angry about how Biden did? I'm willing to give you the doubt that you are simply misinterpreting their statements.

I haven't seen any Biden supporter express anger about how he did; I have seen a shit ton of anger about one of the other campaigns pulling a ratfuck move, and CNN falling for it, but not over the results themselves. The results are what we predicted all along.

So, show us the "rage" you are talking about, please.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
10. It's just you; we're not upset about Biden's showing at all. It's pretty much exactly what we've
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020

predicted for months.

At the moment, he's slated to get 3 delegates, same as Warren, and Sanders and Buttigieg will get 4 apiece. Given his lead in endorsements and his strength in upcoming contests, this is no big deal at all.

I haven't seen any of what you're suggesting; I think you're projecting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
48. Such few delegates and such a stupid process...why do folks pour millions of dollars into Iowa?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:14 PM
Feb 2020

I hope next time, we don't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
81. Because it's first so the media make a BFD over it and ascribe importance to it
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:41 AM
Feb 2020

that it doesn't deserve. After this debacle maybe it won't be taken so seriously next time. I feel bad for the candidates, their staff and volunteers and the people managing the caucuses that it went all sideways after all that time, money and effort was put into it. Maybe next time they won't have to do that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
87. Yep. You said it. Short and to the point.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:54 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
115. Nope.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:53 PM
Feb 2020

I haven't seen anything like that, either. South Carolina will be a better indication for me than Iowa & NH.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
11. I am not nor do I know any Biden suporters that are angry.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marlakay

(11,457 posts)
12. I am not hearing anger
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:40 PM
Feb 2020

Just a lot of states left.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
13. It's just you. I'm not seeing it.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,401 posts)
14. oddly enough OUR REVOLUTION is unwanted by the huge majority in Iowa lol nt
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
36. Oh I don't like them.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:04 PM
Feb 2020

Does that count as anger? LOL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
15. I do pick up a lot negative waves from many of them
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:43 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
17. No anger or rage, everything is going according to plan
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:44 PM
Feb 2020

Americans love an underdog and you can't have momentum without coming from behind. Any rage is imaginary IMO

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
18. Biden lacks the Mamba Mentality
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:44 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
20. What is the Mamba Mentality?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:45 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wackadoo wabbit

(1,166 posts)
29. I didn't know either, so I just looked it up. It's this:
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:59 PM
Feb 2020

From Urban Dictionary:

"The mentality which is embodied by NBA legend Kobe Bryant and has defined his career and accolades."

I found a quote by Bryant that further expanded upon this:

“Mamba mentality is all about focusing on the process and trusting in the hard work when it matters most,” he told Amazon Book Review. “It’s the ultimate mantra for the competitive spirit. It started just as a hashtag that came to me one day, and it’s grown into something athletes — and even non-athletes — embrace as a mindset.

“Hard work outweighs talent — every time,” he continued. “Mamba mentality is about 4 a.m. workouts, doing more than the next guy and then trusting in the work you’ve put in when it’s time to perform. Without studying, preparation and practice, you’re leaving the outcome to fate. I don’t do fate.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
31. Given Bryant's history with women I'm not sure that's something I would covet.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
104. Hard work outweighs talent -- every time
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:23 AM
Feb 2020

gee... all I had to do in high school was to work really really hard and, as 5 foot 10, I would have been a great basketball power forward in the NBA.

damn.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
45. I am not a Kobe Bryant fan (although sorry about the kids) I am a woman.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:12 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
19. Just you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:45 PM
Feb 2020

We’re a pragmatic bunch. Not rabid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
21. Whatever the impetus, I've observed this as well
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:47 PM
Feb 2020

Despite how kid-gloved some of the Biden supporters are handled, some of them appear to lash out fiercely at even constructive criticism. It's already looking like your post is getting disgruntled, curt "nopes" from one democratic demographic.
I may be a bit sensitive about this, being a Gen-Xer with Boomer siblings who dismiss all input from me, lol, pesky little brother even now at 60 years of age.
Guess who they unexceptionally support?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,974 posts)
22. Not angry. Unless it's about something unethical like a rival campaign lying to a journalist about
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:47 PM
Feb 2020

what the Biden campaign plans to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
23. Not just you peoli
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:49 PM
Feb 2020

I share in your sentiments.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,469 posts)
25. I haven't seen that.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:51 PM
Feb 2020

Don't currently have a horse in the race, but I haven't seen much anger over the results from Biden supporters.

Or anyone else, for that matter. Seems that the only ones making these claims are Sanders supporters. I think you're seeing what you want to see, which is pretty common.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LisaM

(27,805 posts)
37. I haven't seen any anger from Biden supporters.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:05 PM
Feb 2020

Not sure where that is coming from.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
88. Agree with you. Only anger I have seen is over false news story.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:57 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
26. I actually praised Buttigieg in another thread.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:53 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders supporters (especially those that aren't really all that into the Democratic Party) seem to think we actual Democrats view other Democratic candidates as some sort of mortal enemies like they do -- but we don't. I have supported Buttigieg, Beto, Warren, and now Biden all at some point during the primary. I have donated to each of those candidates and I think one or two more.

Now, if Sanders supporters think some Biden supporters are angry at Sanders, that is probably true, inasmuch as a lot of actual Democratic supporters are angry at Sanders or other divisive candidates that constantly attack the Democratic Party (e.g., Gabbard).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
40. Yes, I did too.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:09 PM
Feb 2020

I like Mayor Pete and all the Democrats running.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
70. Me too. I'm good with the nominee's last name beginning with a B and I'll accept a K too. nt
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
27. I am not a Biden supporter.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:56 PM
Feb 2020

I don't see the rage, so yes it is just you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
89. You are always fair sheshe2. I have great respect for Warren supporters because their preference
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:01 AM
Feb 2020

for Warren and real passion about her candidacy does not overcome their reason and objectivity
about Dem primary issues.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
92. I have the very same respect for Biden supporters.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:31 AM
Feb 2020

Warren is my Senator and I respect her. I have met her and love her passion. I disagreed with some of her attacks on Obama. Yet they had a great working relationship and he helped her with CFPB. When the GOP blocked her nomination to head CFPB, her baby, she built it, Obama urged her to run for Senate. The GOP feared her and blocked her and now she is the senior Senator from MA and they hate her because she persisted.

This election is so very important. I have no plans to get stuck in a scratch on a nylon record when the music repeats itself. I am flexible on my second choice. Biden is one of them.

I want to win.

Thank you, emma,

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
93. Thank you, sheshe2.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:36 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dem4decades

(11,286 posts)
28. Maybe they're mad because other candidates lie about Biden.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:57 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
30. im not angry at anyone..are you?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polly Hennessey

(6,794 posts)
32. Nope, it's just you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:02 PM
Feb 2020

This isn’t our first rodeo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
33. Not me.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:03 PM
Feb 2020

Congratulations Pete Buttigiege.

And great speech!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to peoli (Original post)

 

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
38. It not just you....
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:07 PM
Feb 2020

Who is wrong.

I’m thrilled for Pete. Happy for Klobuchar.

Not the least worried for Joe.

Maybe you are projecting?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
39. Congrats to Pete and his campaign workers for a job well done.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:08 PM
Feb 2020

Why exactly am I supposed to be angry with anybody?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
41. It's not just you
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

SOME of the Biden supporters here on DU are doing a real disservice to their candidate. I would like to believe that they are Trump trolls, but I don't think they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
53. If you need proof
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:18 PM
Feb 2020

Just read this thread - they immediately were blaming Bernie and his campaign (without any proof) for John King at CNN for putting out the erroneous story that Biden was going to challenge the Iowa results.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=474229

or

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287474714

Apparently, some of them are now saying Iowa and New Hampshire don't matter (because Biden isn't going to win those states). Apparently, South Carolina is where its at, even though we are probably less likely to win SC in November than either Iowa or NH. I don't see how telling white Midwesterners or New Englanders that their primary/caucus doesn't really count because they are not diverse enough is a winning strategy for November. Seem really f'n stupid to me. For that last point - see post #43 in this thread.

All states count. All delegates count. All votes count. That should be our message. End of Story.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Rilgin

(787 posts)
113. It is the Blame Bernie for everything and I mean everything contingent here at DU
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

I have been defending Bernie here for a few days even though not my actual candidate this year. He is my second choice. However, I have tried to defend him without reference to other candidates because mostly what I see is Bernie Bashing from lots of long time posters on this site without any courtesy to other parts of the democratic party that like him.

You give a good example. You reference the thread where the Bernie Bash erupted over John King's story. King retracted it eventually because it probably went to far. However, the Thread ignored that, in fact, as a fact, King did not mention Bernie and neither King nor the bash contingent recognized that the story probably came from earlier when the Biden communication director and deputy campaign manager did seemingly question the validity of the Vote on CNN (where King works).

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/iowa-caucuses-live-updates-2020-democrats-make-their-final-pitches-n1128596/ncrd1129681#liveBlogHeader

Kate Bedingfield, Biden's deputy campaign manager and communications director, said the campaign has "real concerns about the integrity of the process” Tuesday morning during an appearance on CNN.

If you think it was just questioning process, here is the continuation of the article.

The Iowa Democratic has said that their data was "sound" and the delay in the results was not due to a hack or intrusion, rather an abundance of caution to ensure accuracy. They plan to release the results sometime Tuesday.

When asked what reason she has to believe differently than what the Iowa Democratic Party has stated, Bedingfield said, "If you have a process where you can't be confident that the results that are being reported are reflective of the votes that people cast last night and the process, that's a real concern."

This was a CNN interview where John King works so any mistake John King made in Biden's actual plans or responses to Biden's concerns were at CNN not from any other candidate. I do not object to Biden questioning the validity of the results. I have my own ideas of what happened which do not involve the app but the attacks on Bernie are just more attacking him for any reason that a person can manufacture. It is not helpful. It is divisive and increases the disunity in the democratic party.

Correcting John King for a bad report is great. The Biden supporters and the Biden campaign minimizing Iowa and boosting their candidate is politics and fair. However, attacking another candidate that has nothing to do with that report while ignoring the Campaigns own words is divisive. This is similar to the attacks on Bernie for asking for rules to make the caucus more transparent. Who can actually argue with increased transparency? The hands in the air contingent says reporting 10 additional constant numbers (which have already been recorded with a paper trail to consider viability) is incredibly complicated. Reporting consists of at most 16 constant numbers and one result based on 6 constant numbers. All this can be done easily which is why the Democratic Party and with transparency candidates can actually see what happened.

There are tons of other examples.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
42. Nope... haven;t seen any rage at all.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
43. It is you...we don't give two shits about Iowa...although I would point out we only have a partial
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

result. Fact is...Sanders had a poor showing considering the state was made for him really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
46. I'm a Warren supporter
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

And I haven't seen that out of Biden supporters, either here or outside. There is frustration over the results debacle but that isn't just from one group. From what I've read he can come in fourth in still tie in delegates received so why would they be upset?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
47. Nice Try
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

See you in South Carolina.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
55. You are calling out supporters
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:25 PM
Feb 2020

has nothing to do with the primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
56. "It ain't me babe"....
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:27 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
57. It's just you. Some are, some aren't.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:29 PM
Feb 2020

Rage? Overstated.

We all want the same thing: to win.

Problem is that extreme and inflexible idealism collides with the realism necessary to persuade moderate to conservative (Independent) voters to come this way. That is a real thing. It alienates, and we need those folks.

Don't underestimate the influence of the Biden and Klobuchar "wing" of the party to persuade the middlers to turn left instead of right. We need both--progressives and moderates. Of course, mine is merely one lonely opinion!

Regardless, the moderates will vote for ANY "D." Will progressives??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
59. I'm not angry
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:39 PM
Feb 2020

I’m not angry. In fact, I’m rooting for Mayor Pete with a full heart!

😊

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
60. Not just you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:42 PM
Feb 2020

Anger against Bernie is a constant. Also, there's a tacit rule that you can insult Bernie in almost any way—but don't dare say anything about Biden.

It's a bore and creates a weird atmosphere.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
100. That's not what the OP said; they claimed that Biden supporters think he did poorly
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:02 AM
Feb 2020

which is not the case.

And the "you can insult Bernie but not Biden" claim is sheer nonsense; posts on both sides of that aisle are removed on a daily basis.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
63. I don't give a shit about Bernie Sanders.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:56 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Traildogbob

(8,726 posts)
64. Come on Dems
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:57 PM
Feb 2020

Stop this bull shit. Watch the shit show tonight and focus on the enemy. I will not watch. Can not stand these GOP criminals. Direct the anger at them. That is who will destroy us all. Well underway to doing so? Support your choice, then unit to end this hell. That is where the fight MUST be directed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Pololv

(32 posts)
65. It's just you.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:58 PM
Feb 2020

And the other divisive "Bernie Bros". Can't stand them.

I plan on voting only for the real democrat - not some "Johnny come lately" when it's beneficial to them non-democrat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
66. There are a lot of hurt feelings out there but they must realize that Iowa is a red state
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020

its not a deal maker nor a deal breaker, its more about tradition, less about who will be our GE candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MerryBlooms

(11,768 posts)
67. Not just you, I guess others just have pretty extensive ignore lists?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
68. Sanders is appealing to LESS people not more! Check the stats from 2016 and he has lost
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:07 PM
Feb 2020

support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dirtdude

(47 posts)
69. Kind of feels like a bit of projection
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:08 PM
Feb 2020

I am leaning Warren but really undecided. I would love most of the candidates as our nominee. But I gotta tell you, there are some Sanders supporters that are driving me away from Sanders. I wish they would realize that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
71. For me, its been Biden posters
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020

There are some goofy Sanders posters too, but the Biden posters have been really getting my goat the past week.

Warren posters have seemed the most rational/reasonable. I have thought about supporting Biden because he says somethings I like, but when I see the red baiting and the other shit the Biden surrogates here are engaging in, it makes it is really hard for me to make the so-called "safe" choice, especially after I voted the "safe" candidate in 2016 and got burned.

Dismissing Iowa and New Hampshire voters because those states are mostly white and saying that South Carolina voters are the ones that really count just seems like a lousy message. I have middle-of-the-road relatives in WI that don't vote because while they get Republicans are for the 1%, the message they get from (some) Democrats is that we only care about minorities.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
72. Good distinction, goofy vs red baiting or sneering attacks. Most of Liz's
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:50 PM
Feb 2020

posters seem reasonable, yes, as do Yang’s... and I haven’t seen actual attacks on other candidates from Sanders’ supporters on DU, pretty much just attempts at defending him from the garbage thrown.

It’s very telling IMO that there are so many attacks on Sanders about Iowa, contrasting starkly with the absence of even a single post gloating about Joe not having done well.

Hoping for peace at some point soon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,469 posts)
77. Sanders supporters
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:01 AM
Feb 2020

"I haven’t seen actual attacks on other candidates from Sanders’ supporters on DU"

That is one of the funniest things I've ever read on DU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
114. Yup
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:39 PM
Feb 2020

All the disrespect aimed at Sanders voters is just spitting into the wind should Biden or Bloomberg end up winning in the end.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
80. I have to say...this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen...terrible. Democrats only
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:12 AM
Feb 2020

care about minorities? I will have you know that minorities are a reliable important part of our party. And without them we will not win elections. I really am getting tired of what I consider 'white victim ideology'.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
94. +1000
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:39 AM
Feb 2020

Because it is late that is the best I can do. So much to say...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
98. Why? Because I am telling you what I hear from Swing/non-voters in my friends and family circle
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:40 AM
Feb 2020

You talk about wanting to reach out and win these voters. But you don't like what you hear and call it "white victim ideology".

Mayor Pete I think gets it at least, and that's why he cleaned Biden's clock in Iowa.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
90. Those states do not represent America's racial, cultural, and ethnic diversity. We should care very
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:16 AM
Feb 2020

much about non-white voters, their needs, concerns, political will. AA voters have felt this party
takes their vote for granted. Recognizing that they are our base is essential. We should start our primary in states with a more diverse population period.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
97. It's attitudes like this
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:07 AM
Feb 2020

Basically saying states in the Midwestern white votes somehow don't count as much is why we lost the Midwest in 2016. The majority of Democrats here in the Midwest are still white, and if you want to win back the blue wall, telling them that we don't really regard you as the base seems like a bonkers strategy. But hey, maybe in 10 years we will have the votes in GA and TX (if the Republicans allow the votes to be counted in those states).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,469 posts)
102. The point is that they all count.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020

I've seen a lot of posts saying that states like SC don't matter because we'll never win them in the general election. In the primaries, all delegates count. Iowa shouldn't mean any more than any other state with 1% of the delegates, yet it's habitually overemphasized.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
106. I agree with you
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:43 AM
Feb 2020

And that is what our message should be. But that's not what some of the Biden supporters are saying. I saw a clip from CNN of the Biden's campaign spokewoman basically say the Iowa results don't really count because it's not diverse.

To be fair to Biden, I think that it's more the people in the establishment that he's surrounded himself with. Now that his campaign is floundering, they are looking to drop him for Mike Bloomberg it seems, even though Klobuchar, Buttagieg, and Warren have much better credentials.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
107. I think the results do count, but still think these two states should not go first and be considered
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:36 PM
Feb 2020

a bellwether for the entire electorate.

Biden’s loss won’t knock him out of the box. That is the point supporters are making in that states that represent more of America’s diversity politically and racially are those he can do better in.

I think we have to say too bad for voters who believe our party focuses too much on racially diverse populations, given that in reality our agenda has never had much that specifically helps populations that are our backbone. Addressing social, political, economic, and justice system inequities should be our task going forward.

I heartily agree that Dems don’t do enough outreach in rural areas, and in the whole middle section of the country. We have ceded some areas to Republicans where we can build an influence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,180 posts)
74. Yeah, it kinda does
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:53 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
73. Angry? Why in the world would I be angry about a process taking its natural course?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:52 PM
Feb 2020

What a waste of time!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
78. IA Means JackSh*t to the Outcome in 2020
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:01 AM
Feb 2020

So Bernie can attract White voters and college students in a state that's 90% White. That kind of limited support won't get his a$$ to the White House.

You complain about Biden's age as if Bernie doesn't come off as a grumpy old man who had a heart attack recently. The thought of Bernie being on TV wagging his finger at folks for 4 years is too much for me to bear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
84. I beg to differ
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:35 AM
Feb 2020

Joe Biden knew beforehand what his chances in Iowa and New Hampshire were. Describing his foray into Iowa as a failure is a misconception embraced by those who would willfully ignore one pertinent factor. Biden did not have much of a footprint in Iowa, and if he would have committed the time and resources the other candidates did, he might have done a little better, but I believe saving the resources for later endeavors was the smart thing to do. See y'all in South Carolina.

Pete Buttigieg - 10 million+
Bernie Sanders - 10 million+

Joe Biden - 4 million+

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
85. Nope..I simply don't like Sanders. It has nothing to do with how Biden
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:44 AM
Feb 2020

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placed in Iowa.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

greyl

(22,990 posts)
86. Wow, I can not believe
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:51 AM
Feb 2020

there's a "... I would vote for: Bernie Sanders" under this post.

One of many of Pete's first quiet supporters here, I switched to Joe only after the issue of Buttigieg's lack of appeal to non-white voters as compared with Joe became apparent, with no movement over several weeks, and after thinking a Biden Harris ticket would shred Trump and turn out the voters.

I'm happy Iowa doesn't appear to represent the safe vote I was imagining.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,023 posts)
95. Are fleeing to Bloomberg.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 06:39 AM
Feb 2020

First evidence that Biden is struggling and it’s “abandon ship”.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
96. My only concern with Bloomberg
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 07:45 AM
Feb 2020

He's further to the right than Biden, and he isn't much of a threat if it is just the Biden supporters that jump ship. My concern would be if the Buttigieg or Klobuchar started jumping ship for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,469 posts)
103. There's no evidence of that.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:20 AM
Feb 2020

Biden has remained steady in both the RCP and 538 averages. The averages make it pretty clear that Bloomberg's picking up what Buttigieg has lost nationally, and, to a lesser degree, some of what Warren has lost since her peak.

The graphs tell the story, and it's not the one you're plugging:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. IA was indeed, Bernie's to win or lose. I doubt anyone expected Biden to walk out w/ the blue ribbon
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 09:29 AM
Feb 2020

So yeah... I think it's just you're simply projecting your own passive-aggression onto others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
101. it's just you
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:12 AM
Feb 2020


I am certainly not angry (well, I am LIVID at Republicans)... and no way could I be angry at Mayor Pete or Warren: they are great...

no, my feelings are firmly planted in fact, history, research, studies, data, etc... and I firmly believe Sanders cannot win, he is as divisive as trump and will not beat him... as a poster noted elsewhere... if it is Sanders v trump... it will be all about Socialism and not about trump
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
105. I'm not angry at anyone.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:24 AM
Feb 2020

I don’t think Iowa is all that important. A tiny white state with an antiquated method for selecting a candidate isn’t indicative of the Democratic electorate as a whole.

The best thing about the chaos on Monday is that we may never have to put up with their ridiculous contest again.

I’m not mad, I’m just waiting for the important stuff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
109. I'm not angry at Bernie or anyone else seeking the nomination
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:51 PM
Feb 2020

It's you.

I like Bernie. I also like Warren and Mayor Pete and all the rest of the candidates.

If I had my druthers I'd love to see Amy get the nomination. It's just that I think Joe has the best chance of attracting the most people in the general election.

You don't have to hate anyone to root for your candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
110. I'm angry at Bernie and his supporters trying to steal the spotlight from Mayor Pete
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020

Buttigieg outperformed in Iowa, and Sanders underperformed if you take into account all of his rhetoric about his army of small donors and whatnot. Buttigieg's showing is historic.

Biden? He's a non-factor right now until New Hampshire is behind us. I hope he (or someone else) starts building momentum that attracts democrats from across the spectrum of our coalition. Bernie has peaked in his primary support. He will get votes from all of us should he be the nominee, of course, but right now he's stalled.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
111. Interesting.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:10 PM
Feb 2020

I've had the very same observations about Sanders supporters and Sanders. Way more so than any other candidate, actually.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Wednesdays

(17,359 posts)
112. Who says I'm angry?
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:17 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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