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Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:04 AM

 

If Joe won the most votes, and loses the "delegates" vote in the General Election, will you be ok...

...with the result?: (please post below)
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Reply If Joe won the most votes, and loses the "delegates" vote in the General Election, will you be ok... (Original post)
JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 OP
HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #1
JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #4
BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #2
democrattotheend Feb 2020 #3
KPN Feb 2020 #5
Sloumeau Feb 2020 #6
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #7
delisen Feb 2020 #15
OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #8
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #9
OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #10
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #11
OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #12
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #13
OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #14
Sunsky Feb 2020 #16
LanternWaste Feb 2020 #17

Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:07 AM

1. People were not okay with Hillary winning the popular vote and losing the Electoral College.

 

I would expect the same reaction to any caucus. As a matter of fact, Pete is on record as wanting to abolish the electoral college. Love the irony...
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:09 AM

4. +1000! nt

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:08 AM

3. By "delegates", do you mean electors?

 

If so, then of course I would not be okay with that for any Democrat, because it means Trump would win reelection. OTOH, I would actually not mind if it were the other way around. If Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college, he would never shut up about it, and maybe there would finally be enough bipartisan support for getting rid of the electoral college. Yes, it would weaken the new Democratic president a bit in the short term, but Obama won an electoral landslide and a clear majority of the popular vote in 2008 and it didn't stop the Republicans from treating him like he didn't deserve to be there anyway.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:11 AM

5. Are you nuts?

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:19 AM

6. I was not OK with it when it happened to Hillary or Al Gore. nt

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:23 AM

7. This reminds me of the argument that Hillary won in 2016

 

No she did not. Our process is set up to award the most electoral votes. Is that fair? No it's not but as long as that's the process a campaign needs to work to get the necessary states and not just the votes in the few most populous states. Work to change it but that was the process going in. Don't rail against it after the fact.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:23 AM

15. I cannot say that Trump won- because of the documented breach of election systems

 

The investigation is still not completed.Possibly it has now been blocked by AG Barr.

Recounts were in some cased impossible due to the voting equipment used.

One can say that the certification process indicated she lost but one cannot establish that the vote was accurate in fact.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:27 AM

8. There are no delegates in the General Election.

 

Not sure what you are saying here?



As to the electoral college, those are the rules we have in place--like it or not--so we need to look at a map when we decide who we make our standard bearer.
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Response to OneMoreCupOfCoffee (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:28 AM

9. No there aren't

 

But there are electors and it's somewhat similar in that it's not a pure popular vote.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:31 AM

10. Obviously. I doubt anyone of us is unaware of these facts given the catastrophe

 

that we live with daily.

We'd better be smart and understand what rules we are playing by, because the game is winning the electoral college. Without that, we are tanked.
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Response to OneMoreCupOfCoffee (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:35 AM

11. Yup

 

And the same argument about how we "won" 2016 bugs me as well. We could win by 5 million votes in 2020 and if they aren't distributed in the right states we lose again. Because that's our system and until or if it's changed we have to figure out how to win with what we have.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:46 AM

12. I take some moral comfort in knowing that HRC got many millions

 

more votes than Donald J Trump. I do. And it makes me feel slightly less bad about the nature of our fellow citizens (keyword: slightly).

But a moral victory WILL NOT CUT IT in 2020. We need to win. Which means looking at the EC maps and voting strategically from a position of cool-headed reason.

We must beat Trump in the electoral college. This is do or die.

And it is not going to be a cakewalk.
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Response to OneMoreCupOfCoffee (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:48 AM

13. Again yup

 

And people need to quit sniping about policy differences. Our ability to self-govern is at stake.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 02:03 AM

14. Totally.

 

And the reality is, if any Democrat takes the White House and gets a public option passed future generations will point to it as one of the great progressive achievements of the Democratic Party.

It is something that can get passed because expanding competition in underserved markets is something that at least some Republicans could buy into. And it would allow people to ty a government run plan and to see how they like it.

If it makes sense a single payer plan can evolve over time.

I doubt there are many Democrats that want our people to go without healthcare. Or who are unaware of the anxiety people have over the cost of hospitalizations or even being able to afford prescription drugs.

Some of us may differ on whether it is more progressive to dream big or whether it is more progressive to actually implement reforms in the near-term, but in neither case should be look at one another as enemies.

The opposition is united. We need serious improvements on that front.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:01 AM

16. It happened with Hillary

 

And it wasn't even that close. However, we had to abide by it. These are the rules of the game and until the rules change we have to comply. Moving along...
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:26 AM

17. I'd stamp my feet, blame the process and begin implying cover-ups.

 

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