So, is it working?

[Atticus]

Trump let Ukrainians die and used $400 million dollars in an effort to extort a smear of Joe Biden.

Republicans used the impeachment trial to drag the Biden name through their un-sourced mud.

Some state GOP operatives are actively supporting Biden's strongest opponent.

Republican senators continue to threaten investigations to "get to the bottom of" the non-existent Biden "corruption".

Though very little effort has been made to corroborate this, does anyone doubt that the internet is crawling with pro-Trump/anti-Biden propaganda?

Trump himself slanders Biden and props up Bernie.

So, again, is it working? Everyone OK with this?

[LongtimeAZDem]

1. It is around here, apparently

[democrattotheend]

25. No it's not

I have not seen anyone on this forum, or any of the other candidates, ever say that Biden did anything wrong in Ukraine or give legitimacy to that nonsense. The only thing that has been said - and I think this is a fair point - is that one risk of impeachment, and of nominating Biden, is that Trump could use this to draw a false equivalence and drag down Biden too. But I have not seen a single post here saying Biden or his son did anything corrupt with Ukraine.

[LakeArenal]

29. Maybe not but tons of threads like:

Joe son disqualifies Joe

Joe should drop out because it looks bad about his son

Even tho no wrong doing, this disqualifies Joe

Nepotism will disqualify Joe.

Joe supporters remember if you don’t.

[Kentonio]

2. Not ok with Republicans being corrupt, ratfucking bastards, no.

But also not going to stop supporting my own candidate just because of Republicans being assholes.

[Atticus]

4. So, silent acceptance of all this "help" is not a deal breaker. OK----- nt

[Kentonio]

9. Who said anything about 'silent acceptance'?

Also calling it 'help' is a bit laughable anyway to be honest. So Trump talks about the DNC rigging the race against Bernie, who is it that hears that asshole and believes him? Is it the same people who hear and believe him when he calls Bernie a communist or 'Crazy Bernie'? Who exactly is it that you think is being swayed by this Republican 'help'?

[Atticus]

12. I note only that you did not offer any examples of Bernie doing anything BUT

"silently accepting" all this "help". It is a "Ralph Cramden" response: "Hommina-hommina-hommina!"

[Kentonio]

17. Some things don't deserve a response, and Republican assholery fits neatly into that category.

Give them your time and attention and you've already lost half the fight.

[Atticus]

20. Deflect much? nt

[Kentonio]

24. Sorry I don't feel like joining in your pity party.

I think Joe is a strong enough candidate to not need excuses made for him.

[Atticus]

32. K. nt

[redqueen]

3. He already tried running twice and lost.

Not sure why anyone is all that shocked this time.

[Atticus]

6. I thought it was the Republicans who are expected to "get in line". nt

[redqueen]

8. Not sure how your statement relates to what I posted

but ok.

[Atticus]

21. I have no doubt. nt

[LV487]

38. Maybe because Biden was the vice-president

to one of the most popular presidents, ever. He has greater name recognition this time around, so yeah, I was a wee bit shocked to see him under perform in Iowa.

[Autumn]

5. Only one socialist in the race, Trump went after socialism last night. I would't call that propping

Bernie up. I welcome his hatred.

[Atticus]

7. So, you're conceding Bernie is a socialist? nt

[Autumn]

14. Bernie says he's a Democratic Socialist, I take him at his word.

Trump wouldn't know socialism if it bit him in the ass.

[lark]

16. Bernie is the only candidate backed by RT with favorable OPs.

They hate Biden the worst. These are facts. So drumpf pushes Bernie by going on about DNC collusion because he wants him to be the candidate. Then on stage he trashes socialism. It's not that he or Russia like Bernie, they think he's the most easily defeated (GASP, COMMUNISM!!) so they want him to be the candidate then to destroy him in the general. What is the RNC's top initiative - anti-socialism (i.e. anti-Bernie).

[Autumn]

18. There are no monsters under my bed so I don't look for them, RT is a publication by people

who have a different opinion than people here. People either read it or they don't. As for Trump and his ilk? Anything a rat fucking republican says about any candidate they want or don't want means nothing to me. I don't play their fucking games.

[lark]

19. So Russia interfering in our elections isn't a problem & RT is just another paper?

The opinions voiced by RT are ok for you, even though they are being pushed by Russia to influence us? Are also ok with a high percentage of Bernie bros voting for drumpf or Stein and helping Impotus3 win? Seems like you are ok with the results of Russia interference and that they have a voice in our elections?

[Autumn]

23. I don't have a fuck to give about RT, I don't read them I also don't read or listen to republican

opinions. I'm a Democrat and a liberal. I'm too smart for Russia to influence and I'm sure as fuck not going to let any Republican influence me or my vote. If RT worries you by all means keep an eye on the commies. I'm not going to bother with them.

Speaking of being okay with people who voted for someone who helped Trump win there sure is a lot of Republican love going around. Steve Schmidt worked on Republican campaigns, including GW's gets a lot of mentions and attboys . When he's going after Bernie.

[lark]

27. Hope you don't get hurt too much when drumpf wins against "Socialism".

You are risking a lot of people's healthcare, Medicare and Social Security, but maybe those don't matter to you.


Also, I was for Bernie in 2016 until I saw the reality of disloyalty and many of his supporters actually voted for drumpf.

[Autumn]

28. Here's a reality dose. Any Dem will be branded a socialist. As for your experience with the

"Bernie Bros" I give you the PUMAS. Now I won't see any other responses from you so have a nice day

[Atticus]

35. Bernie Bros equal PUMAS? Do you have any clips of those PUMAS disrupting our convention

while a nationwide TV audience watched?

"Reality! What a concept!"

[Autumn]

36. I don't need clips. I wasn't talking about the convention and the poster I responded to didn't

mention that either. The subject was the disloyalty of the Bernie Bros and their votes. So yes, Bernie Bros do equal PUMAS.

[Atticus]

39. If you are THAT determined to defend the disgusting Bernie Bros, there's really no point

in trying to appeal to reason, is there? Have a good one.

"Vote Blue NO MATTER WHO!"

[HarlanPepper]

43. My favorite part

Was about how they couldn’t be influenced by Russian propaganda.

[Autumn]

44. To appeal to reason you must first use reason. Have a nice day yourself.

[treestar]

10. There are 56 contests left to go

But yeah, we should make this one the bellwether of all.

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. Surely you've heard the story about the chicken and the egg.

[Atticus]

13. Surely you've heard of the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. nt

[Act_of_Reparation]

30. Of course. But I don't see how it applies to my position.

I am not rationalizing anything after the fact.

You seem to be, though.

[Atticus]

31. I have no doubt that you "don't see" how it applies. nt

[Act_of_Reparation]

33. Must be nice to have that kind of confidence.

I doubt quite a few things. Like your comprehension of the point I'm trying to convey, for example.

[Atticus]

34. I actually like your candidate and she may get my primary vote. I simply think that Biden is

facing much more manufactured negativity than the others. You are totally entitled to think differently and I am sorry if some of my posts had an "edge". We are on the same team. Thanks for giving a damn.

[blueinredohio]

15. Trump knows if he runs against Bernie

all he has to say is socialism and a lot of people will run his way.

[Atticus]

22. Or stay home on election day. nt

[MontanaMama]

26. I've talked with people personally

who voted for tRump in 2016 who say they won’t vote for him again but also won’t vote for a socialist...they’ll sit it out...which is the same as voting for tRump. No amount of pleading gets them last that word. It’s definitely a thing with people.

[ibegurpard]

37. Republicans are going to do what they're going to do.

They shit on Kerry's military record and turned an email housekeeping issue into a national scandal. They're going to do whatever they think they need to do to take down anyone we run. The question needs to be what are you going to do to combat it? Regardless of who it is? What are you going to find to get excited about regardless of who ends up being our candidate so you can talk them up to your neighbors? Because our ability to self-govern is at stake.

[Atticus]

41. Personally, what I am excited about is evicting that rancid POS from our White House. I have called

2020 a "NOT TRUMP" election and I totally mean it. I have my preferences and even some serious disagreement with some of our hopefuls, but I will support any of them against Trump with my money, my time and my enthusiasm. Anyone who doesn't do the same is either a Trumpie or an idiot.

[ibegurpard]

42. as it should be

[zackymilly]

40. Looks like it worked in Iowa. n/t