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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:56 AM Feb 2020

Biden Slump in Iowa May Signal Bigger Campaign Woes

Joe Biden has staked his campaign on the argument that he is best positioned to ride anti-Trump sentiment to a victory in the general election. But his poor showing in the Iowa caucus raises questions about that strategy and whether he has the campaign structure to drive momentum into later states.

With about two-thirds of the precincts reporting, Barack Obama’s vice president was sitting in fourth place, behind 38-year-old Pete Buttigieg, self-described democratic socialist Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, another progressive senator.

Moderate Democrats looking for someone to unseat President Donald Trump may be scared off by Biden’s inability to stop Sanders in early states and turn to the fresh-faced Buttigieg, who has painted himself as a centrist alternative from the heartland.

Another moderate Democrat may benefit from Biden’s apparent Iowa stumble. Michael Bloomberg’s campaign announced on Tuesday that it was doubling its advertising budget and increasing its national staff to more than 2,000 to capitalize on the chaos in Des Moines. Bloomberg has been working toward a decent showing in Super Tuesday states that vote on March 3, including California, Michigan and Texas.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-05/biden-slump-in-iowa-may-signal-bigger-campaign-woes?srnd=premium

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Biden Slump in Iowa May Signal Bigger Campaign Woes (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 OP
HE'S DOOMED, I TELLS YA! DOOOOOOOOMED! LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #1
Biden is not doomed, if he finsihes strong in NH...eom at140 Feb 2020 #2
I know; we go through this regularly. I thought the sarcasm was obvious. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #4
The difference this time we have actual Election Results, not just polls. bluewater Feb 2020 #11
'the polls are what the polls are' denem Feb 2020 #16
the election results are what the election results are bluewater Feb 2020 #19
If history holds he must win NH FreeState Feb 2020 #8
So You're 28 or Younger DarthDem Feb 2020 #10
Bill Clinton in 1992 had more political skills and charm than at140 Feb 2020 #14
Iowa was not seriously contested in 1992. former9thward Feb 2020 #23
Yes, and . . . DarthDem Feb 2020 #33
Bill Clinton didn't win Iowa FreeState Feb 2020 #31
I Know DarthDem Feb 2020 #32
Iowa was nullified that year by there being an Iowan in the race. What propelled Clinton forward... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #34
Oh no!!! PatSeg Feb 2020 #5
He never staked his campaign on Iowa LakeArenal Feb 2020 #3
He spent a lot of money there. cwydro Feb 2020 #17
It was never going to go Biden. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #21
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE........ give this shit a rest. Your source is BLOOMBERG? D'oh! CurtEastPoint Feb 2020 #6
lol.. I noticed that.. they all smell Cha Feb 2020 #29
An article in Bloomberg nonetheless.... I call bullshit groundloop Feb 2020 #7
No one thought Biden would walk away with the blue-ribbon LanternWaste Feb 2020 #9
Lowering expectations AFTER the fact? Seems so. bluewater Feb 2020 #13
Exactly. Cha Feb 2020 #30
Someone on MSNBC just said Iowa and New Hampshire are 3% R B Garr Feb 2020 #12
Typically those who don't do well borh in IA & NH at140 Feb 2020 #15
There are so many candidates, though, so probably R B Garr Feb 2020 #20
Then his supporters will send more LakeArenal Feb 2020 #22
Good, but supporters can't match 1/10th of what Bloomberg can spend at140 Feb 2020 #24
Yeah well that goes against everything I believe. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #26
Until all campaigns are funded by taxpayers via IRS, at140 Feb 2020 #27
Bloomberg? No bias there I'm sure... BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #18
That is quite correct... at140 Feb 2020 #25
Maybe, maybe not. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #35
Journo Blah-Blah Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #28
Then how come president Obama did so well in Iowa during primary? at140 Feb 2020 #36
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
1. HE'S DOOMED, I TELLS YA! DOOOOOOOOMED!
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:57 AM
Feb 2020

Here we go again.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
2. Biden is not doomed, if he finsihes strong in NH...eom
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
4. I know; we go through this regularly. I thought the sarcasm was obvious.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
11. The difference this time we have actual Election Results, not just polls.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:18 PM
Feb 2020

Joe did very poorly in a real election in Iowa. He's coming in 4th as of the current results released. There is no way to sugarcoat that. That's a more important data point than polling.

His performance in NH will also be much more important than any current polling.

He could very well turn things around, or he can continue to lose actual primaries.

Time will tell.

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denem

(11,045 posts)
16. 'the polls are what the polls are'
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:27 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
19. the election results are what the election results are
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:36 PM
Feb 2020


The poll-addicted masses must move forward into the brave new world of actual elections.







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FreeState

(10,584 posts)
8. If history holds he must win NH
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:34 PM
Feb 2020

No Democrat in my life time has won without winning IA and/or NH.

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DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
10. So You're 28 or Younger
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:14 PM
Feb 2020

Bill Clinton, 1992. Also very popular with African-Americans, incidentally.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
14. Bill Clinton in 1992 had more political skills and charm than
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:21 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg has money. Bill was exceptionally talented politician during his presidency years.
May be he still is, just don't see him doing much politics anymore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
23. Iowa was not seriously contested in 1992.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 06:18 PM
Feb 2020

Iowa voted for their home state senator, Tom Harkin, with 77% of the vote. Uncommitted got 12%. None of the other candidates really campaigned in the state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
33. Yes, and . . .
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:02 AM
Feb 2020

. . . this year the caucus was a fustercluck with five viable candidates and Bloomberg lurking, and three of the five candidates have no history of African-American support. Accordingly, this year's Iowa event is distinguishable from the norm - whatever that may be - too.

And I'm not so sure Biden contested the state as seriously as you imply. Of course he needed to look interested, but his focus is rightly elsewhere. He knows he can weather the goofy media narrative, which has actually already started to blow over.
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FreeState

(10,584 posts)
31. Bill Clinton didn't win Iowa
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 09:38 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/02/02/iowa-history-losers-trump-clinton/

You know who had a terrible Iowa caucuses night? The 42nd president of the United States, Bill Clinton. As the governor of Arkansas, Clinton had been seen as a viable candidate, but he came in fourth with a measly 2.8 percent, according to the Des Moines Register. Iowa’s native son, Sen. Tom Harkin, won the state’s Democratic caucuses handily, but Clinton wasn’t finished yet.
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DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
32. I Know
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 03:59 AM
Feb 2020

That was my point.
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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. Iowa was nullified that year by there being an Iowan in the race. What propelled Clinton forward...
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:13 AM
Feb 2020

...was his very strong showing in New Hampshire and the "comeback kid" narrative that followed. And that's what Biden needs. His campaign clearly realizes that, even if many on DU deny the importance of next week's primary. Outside of the DU bubble, people recognize that a poor showing in New Hampshire could be devastating.

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Undecided
 

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
5. Oh no!!!
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:01 PM
Feb 2020

Who will I support now???

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LakeArenal

(28,847 posts)
3. He never staked his campaign on Iowa
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 11:59 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
17. He spent a lot of money there.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:30 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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LakeArenal

(28,847 posts)
21. It was never going to go Biden.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 05:30 PM
Feb 2020

Everyone spent a lot.

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CurtEastPoint

(18,664 posts)
6. OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE........ give this shit a rest. Your source is BLOOMBERG? D'oh!
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:05 PM
Feb 2020
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Cha

(297,705 posts)
29. lol.. I noticed that.. they all smell
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:34 PM
Feb 2020

blood in water.

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groundloop

(11,523 posts)
7. An article in Bloomberg nonetheless.... I call bullshit
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:06 PM
Feb 2020

Iowa is pretty much meaningless. I apologize to our DU members from Iowa, but it has no business being the kick-off event in the Democratic primary season.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. No one thought Biden would walk away with the blue-ribbon
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 12:41 PM
Feb 2020

IA was Bernie's to walk away with. Bernie's the only guy who dropped the ball.

But editorials can prophecize anything they need to get more readers and subscribers-- even if, like this one, it fails to provide objective numbers to support its position.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
13. Lowering expectations AFTER the fact? Seems so.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:21 PM
Feb 2020

There were several polls showing Joe in the lead in Iowa.

For example:


New Iowa Poll Shows Tight Race, With Joe Biden Jumping Ahead

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/joe-biden-iowa-democratic-poll.html








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R B Garr

(16,985 posts)
12. Someone on MSNBC just said Iowa and New Hampshire are 3%
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:19 PM
Feb 2020

of the total to win, so there’s that.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
15. Typically those who don't do well borh in IA & NH
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:24 PM
Feb 2020

the money begins to dry out. And Biden is not a Billionaire like Bloomberg.
SO it is important that Biden finish strong on election day (not just polls).

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

R B Garr

(16,985 posts)
20. There are so many candidates, though, so probably
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:39 PM
Feb 2020

different standards.

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LakeArenal

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22. Then his supporters will send more
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

Thanks for reminding me.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
24. Good, but supporters can't match 1/10th of what Bloomberg can spend
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:09 PM
Feb 2020

from his pocket money.

Bloomberg can spend $5,000,000,000 = $50 from 100 million contributors.
We have about total 65 million democratic voters. And they are split among half a dozen candidates.
You do the math.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,847 posts)
26. Yeah well that goes against everything I believe.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:16 PM
Feb 2020

Money shouldn’t mean power.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
27. Until all campaigns are funded by taxpayers via IRS,
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:22 PM
Feb 2020

rich Billionaires have a huge advantage, and corruption in DC will continue.
But I don't hear much talk about that by the candidates.
Why do you think the area surrounding DC is the richest in the country?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
18. Bloomberg? No bias there I'm sure...
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 04:31 PM
Feb 2020

So let’s look at where the race stands after Super Tuesday. That will be a far better indicator than one fucked up caucus...

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at140

(6,110 posts)
25. That is quite correct...
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:10 PM
Feb 2020

Super Tuesday will reveal the ultimate nominee.

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Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
35. Maybe, maybe not.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:19 AM
Feb 2020

It's possible that the race will still be up in the air after Super Tuesday. In 2016, it was over after Super Tuesday. That may not be the case this time around.

Anyway, what happens in NH, NV and SC will have a lot to say about what happens on Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,132 posts)
28. Journo Blah-Blah
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020

I suppose they have to say something to fill up bandwidth and empty air time.

Joe Biden may have done poorly in Iowa, but the Hawkeye State is hardly representative of the Democratic electorate as a whole (For that matter, neither is New Hampshire). It looks like it’ll be a while yet before we discover which candidates are our voters’ favorite.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
36. Then how come president Obama did so well in Iowa during primary?
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020

I think Iowa is all about ground game and organization. Mayor Pete outdid all others in Iowa in that regard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
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