Biden calls nominating Buttigieg "a risk"

[bluewater]

Link to tweet

Ok, I think all candidates have to STOP labeling other Democratic candidates "a risk".

That's handing talking points and video clips to the Republicans.

Joe should know better.

[krissey]

1. Buttigieg certainly is a risk, as a woman Warren is a risk.

I have weighed it though and I am willing to take the risk.

Socialist Sanders is a risk. I think we hands down lose that risk.

Biden is a risk, too though. Lets be real. But again, I take that risk.

[zackymilly]

2. I do believe it's a risk to be just straight up with you

A pun?

[Doremus]

22. The country's not ready for a woman president? A gay man or a democratic socialist?

Just making sure I read it right.

Is this still 2020 or have I dropped into a rabbit hole?

With all due respect backatcha.

[Horizens]

76. If

you think this country will elect a gay man or a socialist, you have fallen into a rabbit's hole.

[William769]

27. Remember a similar arguement against Barack OBama.

See how that turned out.

Incase you forgot, Hillary won the fucking majority of votes!

I'm tired of sore losers. Make a positive out of your loss.

[mitch96]

73. JFK also.. I believe he was the first Cathloic to run for the office

Comments about the white house being run from the Vatican were running around... uff
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[TheRealNorth]

77. Amen

Next, they will be telling us that we need to nominate Mitt Romney because he's less risky.

[Bradshaw3]

30. Nobody thought the country was ready for a black man named Barack Hussein Obama either

They were wrong.

[redstateblues]

56. We don't have any Obamas running this time unfortunately

[Bradshaw3]

97. You forget Obama wasn't beloved by all at this time of the primary

A lot of Hillary people didn't think much of him. And he certainly was viewed as a risk by many.

[MoonchildCA]

33. Wow!

Your comment definitely makes me want to throw my support between either Buttigieg or Warren.

[BlueWI]

40. What a great Democratic stump speech! NOT.

2008 wants its conventional thinking back.

[Ron Green]

3. Buttigieg is definitely a risk to Biden.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. Thank you! GMTA!

[TheRealNorth]

17. That made me smile for the first time today

I am going to vote for either Buttigieg or Warren.

Biden has been so disrespectful to other views, and that attitude has carried over to his supporters. It's been a circular firing squad shitstorm here on DU.

It's sad, because I came in thinking I was going to vote for Biden. The utter disrespect for the Sanders supporters that I have seen on this board and the way Biden treated that environmentalist in Iowa have led me to believe his people have utter contempt for the left of the party.

So for now, I am declaring for Buttigieg.

[ripcord]

66. Biden and his supporters have begun to sound a little desperate. (NT)

[LanternWaste]

103. We only hear what we need to. We ignore listening to that which does not suit us.

You heard only that which you need to.

[thesquanderer]

4. Good point. I'm ok with saying someone provides a greater risk of losing to Trump...

...but no candidate should imply that any candidate is a risk in terms of his or her ability to lead the nation. It should be clear that we are NOT making such an implication. Yes, that would give the other side a talking point.

[krissey]

9. I hope he was not saying that. I would agree with you that I am comfortable with Buttigiegs

education, smarts and abilities I have seen for him to be in the WH.

[rzemanfl]

5. In a sane world. Pete would apprentice himself to Biden for four years as VP.

Biden would agree, four years, no longer, and resign early enough so Pete could pick a running mate as VP. Then they could get about the business of defeating Orange Julius Caesar.

[Blue_true]

15. Or Pete could pick Biden, Warren or Klobuchar as BP.

I doubt that Bernie would accept being second fiddle.

In a world with fists full of specialized think tanks, "experience" for a presidential candidate is over-rated, he or she should be able to pick staff that gives actionable advice, as long as the president listens to that advice.

[rzemanfl]

18. Biden has all those African-American votes the party needs.

Experience is not the issue. I don't need to mention what is.

[BlueWI]

42. Back to the black firewall argument.

How'd that work out in 2016?

Biden still has less than 50% black support in most polling, and less once you get out of Dixie.

[rzemanfl]

45. It would have worked fine in Wisconsin if it weren't for Repuke voter supression and

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Putin's people and bots targeting dumbass rural voters individually on the Internet. I think the same applied in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Remember the New Yorker cartoon, "It all comes down to Waukesha County, Wisconsin?"

FBI director Wray today gave Putin free rein to post lies all over the internet.

[BlueWI]

60. Agreed that voter suppression is a factor

but it has frequently been a factor. It takes more effort to help voters register and the outreach has to be extensive.

Waukesha is actually a bit less Republican than it was, or at least the margin is smaller. There's a growing number of Hispanic-Latino voters in the county too.

The eligible black voters in Wisconsin are younger and more disenfranchised compared to many other states. The candidate pitch has to match up better with conditions, IMO.

[redstateblues]

57. Both Bernie and Pete are very weak with POC. It's just a fact

[BlueWI]

63. Just a fact is an oversimplification.

Black voters aren't going to vote Republican in large numbers. And support for Sanders is stronger outside of the South.

Too many lazy assumptions about black voting patterns can doom us on election day. Just like 2016.

[Meadowoak]

91. The black vote will overwhelming go to whomever the Democratic nominee is.

[BlueWI]

95. True.

And to get the extra margin, it will take retail politics with a high level of energy and a stellar closing argument to motivate unlikely voters.

[saidsimplesimon]

54. Wow, I totally disagree, flman

I remember Mr. Biden's voting record and disrespect of Anita Hill. Mr. Biden is the candidate that Herr rumpie and Republicans would like to anoint as their preferred opponent. Weak and stale

[rzemanfl]

62. Then why, pray tell, did Drumpf pull that whole "investigate the Bidens" stunt that ate up

the last two and half weeks of our lives? Why would even someone as stupid as Orange Julius Caesar try to do that to their "preferred opponent?"

[NurseJackie]

6. Buttigieg is better than Trump or Sanders... I could support him easily if he were our nominee.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. A mid city mayor

will be bruised by Republicans as lacking in experience. No one should be surprised by that.

[William769]

28. So would a 4th place showing in Iowa.

Just saying.

[bucolic_frolic]

32. No, not quite

Plenty of candidates have bounced back from Iowa over several decades. No one can add to Pete's resume anything that is not already there, at least for this election cycle. So those are two qualitatively different things.

[bluewater]

49. "No one can add to Pete's resume anything that is not already there" Um, incorrect.

They can add that Pete beat Biden twice if he defeats Joe in New Hampshire next Tuesday.

Surely, running successful primary campaigns count for something, right?

[R B Garr]

88. Does only beating Biden count on his resume?

He beat Warren and Bernie, so he beat the “progressives” too. How does this work?

[MoonchildCA]

36. You mean those republicans...

...who voted for Donald Trump?

[bucolic_frolic]

37. Yes, and since laws don't apply to them, they will make it stick

and add a dose of bigotry for good measure. They will be really riled up. Every one of our candidates will be brutalized in some way. Heck if we cloned Trump and ran him, our candidate would be Satan to their God.

[BlueWI]

43. The last guy that got elected had no political experience.

Biden needs to run on his record and build a strong ground game. He's the favorite still.

[bucolic_frolic]

46. No, not quite

the last guy that got elected had cheaters to help him! And he still lost by 2.9 million votes.

[melman]

10. Where are the unity police?

[madibella]

11. I agree with Biden. In this crucial situation, Mayor Pete is a risk.

I think that many would not be willing to take such a huge risk on someone with such limited experience.

If it were a "normal" election, I would be open and even excited about a Mayor Pete prospect, but there's too much to lose this time around. The stakes are too high and I think Mayor Pete gets us another 4 years of the criminal.

[myohmy2]

35. why sure...

"I think that many would not be willing to take such a huge risk on someone with such limited experience."

...Peter's a young mayor of a small town in Indiana with no prior national experience...

...and IMO, he's too conservative at a time when we need real system change...


...trump had no national experience...trump wasn't even a mayor...

...we see how well that turned out...


...experience does matter, lest we get rolled by Washington's Big Money interests...

[bluewater]

51. Are you saying Pete Buttigieg is unqualified to run as our nominee?

I hope not.

[myohmy2]

55. "unqualified"

...is too strong of a word...

...no, I'm just agreeing with Joe...

...

[bluewater]

58. Since Pete is qualified, what is this "risk" you are agreeing with Joe about?

[myohmy2]

69. read #35...

...

[bluewater]

70. In post 35 you compare Pete to TRUMP!!!!!

.

..Peter's a young mayor of a small town in Indiana with no prior national experience...

...and IMO, he's too conservative at a time when we need real system change...


...trump had no national experience...trump wasn't even a mayor...

...we see how well that turned out...

[Blue_true]

13. Joe should know better, but he has no choice.

He ignored attacks on him from primary opponents and his image suffered for that.

[demofan40]

14. So it's a risk to run Buttigieg

But it's not a risk to have Biden serve only four years?!

[bucolic_frolic]

34. Pete's risk is here in 2020. Four years is four years away.

So you're comparing two very different things.

[myohmy2]

16. I don't...

...often agree with Joe, but here Joe's right...

...even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[FloridaBlues]

19. I think Pete should know better than to start with his comments.

Nothing wrong with Biden answering back and standing up for his record.

[demofan40]

20. So Pete shouldn't defend himself?

I also seem to remember Obama getting tagged with the inexperienced angle as well.

[TheRealNorth]

31. Next we will hear from the Biden folks something about 3 AM phone calls.

[Autumn]

21. Pete's less of a risk than Biden. IMO

[phleshdef]

23. Some people act like they've never experienced a primary election before.

Everyone talks some shit about each other. Christ.

[ChubbyStar]

44. Is this Biden donor talking shit?

“If he came in fourth, yeah, that could hurt,” said Bill Freeman, a Biden donor from Nashville, Tennessee, who added that he hadn’t even considered such a possibility heading into Monday’s caucuses. “That’s a bad night, no matter how you spin it.”

https://apnews.com/8a6ea236b5abcb43b40f79cfbf3f8c20

[phleshdef]

61. That has nothing to do with anything I said.

I'm talking about candidates making snide remarks at one another.

[ChubbyStar]

64. Sorry this Biden donor just laid it out for you

You are welcome.

[phleshdef]

65. I'm a Biden donor. That means nothing to me nor has any relevance to anything I said.

Try again. Try harder. Stop failing.

[ChubbyStar]

67. No dear you are fighting me which means I have won.

Thanks.

[phleshdef]

68. I'm not fighting anyone. We aren't even talking about the same topic.

[William769]

24. It's understandable.

Most people agree 1st, 2nd & 3rd place people see a viable candidates to continue in the race. 4th place not so much.

BTW what place is Biden in?

[krissey]

25. You made me laugh.

[William769]

29. Thanks.

Some people are starting to piss me off. That never turns out well.

[ibegurpard]

26. any one of them is a risk

including Biden.

[Generic Brad]

38. Every candidate is a risk

Democrats really need to make their case without bashing each other.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. If Bernie had said this, it'd be called desperation & divisive specially w/ Iowa's 4th place finish

Joe goin negative, that's coo, but to say Mayor Pete's too risky... riiiiiight!! I would take Mayor Pete over Joe any day of the week and twice on Sunday!! Maybe it's time for Joe to be properly vetted... let's see how risky his candidacy would be.

But, thankfully, we have Bernie, who is the least risky candidate to take on the Corporate Socialist agenda of tRumpists who have shitted on the working class and poor folks in this country for long enough!!

We're not taking their crap anymore and the fuckin' crumbs they throw us! If we do, that's what's truly risky... people's very lives are at stake!! It's time to revolt and join Bernie in the fight against Corporate Socialism!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[SMC22307]

41. So when it comes time for Biden to endorse Buttigieg...

in the national election (should it come to that), how does he spin what he said about Mayor Pete being a "risk"? You know Drumpf & Company will run that to death in their advertising.

[ChubbyStar]

50. Maybe he could poke him in the chest and grab his jacket while endorsing

That's always charming.

[SMC22307]

52. LOL

Don't like it, go vote for someone else!!!!@@!!!

[ChubbyStar]

53. Fuck yeah and they did

[R B Garr]

47. So Pete said Biden is too much of old Washington and needs

to go, and Biden said Pete doesn’t have the experience which makes him risky (only elected position was mayor of a small midwestern town).

I’m not seeing how that makes Biden the meanie.

[R B Garr]

48. The only ones who haven't congratulated Pete are

from Sanders because it wiped out his surge. This thread looks like a distraction...

[TheRealNorth]

71. This post sounds like a distraction

From a thread that is on-point.

[R B Garr]

75. Your concern for Sanders is noted....

[TheRealNorth]

89. Fine with me

I respect the Sanders voters, unlike some candidates.

[R B Garr]

90. Your numerous posts about poor Bernie are noted.

[R B Garr]

93. Yes, I've seen your paragraphs of insults, too.

[whistler162]

59. Amd here is the, possibly, actual

quote

"Biden said this moments ago: "I have great respect for Mayor Pete and his service to this nation, but I do believe it's a risk to be just straight up with you for this part to nominate somebody who's never held an office higher than mayor of a town of 100,000 people in Indiana.""

and here is a link to an actual news article not a tweet by a twitterer.

https://www.wmur.com/article/biden-calls-out-buttigieg-sanders-in-nh-campaign-stop/30785015

[UniteFightBack]

72. It's also a risk because he's gonna have a tough time in the swing states. They are all that MATTER

WAKE UP EVERYBODY. n

[bluewater]

74. Pete did very well in the swing counties in Iowa.

He basically swept all the counties that previous went Obama-to-Trump.

That was a goal to demonstrate that he could indeed win in those swing states and he pulled it off.

Credit where credit is due.

[FreeState]

78. Pete did better than Biden with POC in IA too

https://postimg.cc/m1Dvtydx

Calling a candidate a risk at this point speaks more about Biden than Pete.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx

With a wide range of ages in the current field of candidates for president, Gallup finds that most Americans are willing to vote for a candidate over the age of 70 (63%), and an even larger majority would vote for a candidate under the age of 40 (71%).

...snip...

As openly gay South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg's campaign for president has generated buzz in the Democratic nomination race, 76% of Americans report a willingness to vote for a gay or lesbian candidate -- a new high in Gallup's trend.

[TheRealNorth]

79. I could make a snarky remark

But there are probably rules against using Trump talking points.

[OAITW r.2.0]

80. Not a good look, Joe.

I was really biased in favor of Biden at the beginning, but I'm finding more and more pronoucements from Joe as unsettling. I wish he'd focus his fire on Trump.

IMHO, he missed a strategic opportunity to confront the Biden/Ukraine Russian propaganda by not appearing in the impeachment process.

[TheRealNorth]

81. Exactly

I really liked Biden's speech on the night of the Primary, but I logged into here and all Biden supporters were just bashing Bernie. Then I remembered how he treated that women in Iowa who questioned his support about supporting oil pipelines. He flat out said go vote for someone else. Who knows, maybe she was a Green that was on the fence. Now we may have lost her vote (and the votes down ticket she would have brought).

I consider myself to be from the Bernie wing, but I am willing to go more moderate if I like the vibe of a candidate. But when you are disrespecting people in our own party like the Biden folks are, like Biden said, I WILL go vote for someone else. I came into this Primary originally supporting Sherrod Brown. Then I was kind of on the fence between Biden and Booker. But Biden and Bloomberg people have really left a rotten taste in my mouth. I do wonder if there are Russian trolls trying to turn people against Biden and Bloomberg, but most of the people that are trolling Bernie supporters are long time DU'rs. If they are not Russian trolls, they are doing a great job undermining Biden with a segment of the party.

[OAITW r.2.0]

82. Luckily, I could give a shit about what Russian troll-bots tweet on Twitter.

I am keeping all of my options open. We have a great stable of candidates. Anyother one of them could run rings around the Stable Genius.

[BootinUp]

83. The more attention Pete gets the better he does

Call it the Buttigieg hypothesis.

[onetexan]

84. i agree with Biden. I'd prefer someone with national experience, except i'd be OK with Bloomberg.

[Vivienne235729]

85. I agree w Biden. I think he is speaking the truth. I would love for America to

Vote for a gay man or woman but I see SO MUCH homophobia (& that's from Democrats, btw!) And as much as I would LOOOOVE for Warren to win, I feel like as a country we aren't ready for a woman president. And when I say "we" I don't mean me, obviously. I mean there's an alarming number of people out there that are knuckle draggers. Since electing orange f*ckface, racists have become brazen and things I just would have never thought would come from people I KNOW IRL have been posted. I have had to clean house multiple times on my various social media platforms. It has been shocking and exhausting. So, yeaaa. I agree w Joe. Sometimes there's just no easy way to say these hard truths other than to just say it. We may not believe that, but there's an ungodly amount of people who do.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

86. Sounds like the only guy who isn't a risk

Is the guy who got 4th. Or worse.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

87. SERIOUSLY!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[jcmaine72]

99. I guess there's less risk being in the rear with the gear.

[earthside]

94. Good grief.

Anyone that close to 80 years old is at risk of not even seeing tomorrow.

Biden isn't really in a position to be talking about anyone else when it comes to 'risk'.

[Gothmog]

96. Mayor Pete lacks support in African American community

Link to tweet

[krissey]

98. So our only choice is we have to vote Biden? I wanted Harris. Some say only Sanders.

The black community may have to make the same choices we are all having to make if our favorite candidate doesn't win.

[comradebillyboy]

100. Although I think Biden is our best bet against Trump I do believe

that Pete Buttigieg could win it all.

[J_William_Ryan]

101. Buttigieg isn't going to be the nominee.

[LanternWaste]

102. So calling some one old and failed is valid, yet calling someone a risk ain't...?

How long does one have to torture and main rational and critical thought to get to that point?

[bluewater]

104. Attention to detail matters.

"maim", not "main".

One only gets one chance to make a first impression.

There is more to making an effective rhetorical point than writing style. Typos are jarring and draw the readers' attention away from the issue at hand.