Am I the only one who thinks BS money is coming from outside our party?

[redstatebluegirl]

I have a terrible feeling that he is being supported by Republicans who would prefer to run against him rather than Joe, Amy, Pete or others.

[mopinko]

1. building him up to take him down.

i worry very much about how secure that system is.

[radical noodle]

38. As long as there are open primaries

it's a problem.

[HarlanPepper]

2. No, you're not alone.

[LeftTurn3623]

3. Do you have proof of this?

Because it seems like your just throwing false rumors to hurt his campaign.

He had massive fund raising last time he ran.

[Hortensis]

58. Last time he ran he was assisted by the Republicans

and by Russia. He didn't need a lot of money for his own media efforts since mammoth and far more sophisticated (then) operations were put in place against us by our two biggest enemies. And the Republicans, and therefore he when they wished (heavily during the primary), were assisted by much of our MSM, including the NYT, AP, MSNBC, CNN, and many other major outlets.

[left-of-center2012]

4. "Outside the party" and "from Republicans" are two different things

Don't all candidates get donations, funding, support, corporate airplanes, etc from "outside the party" ?

[redstatebluegirl]

6. I think it is clear the Republicans would prefer to run against Bernie.

[left-of-center2012]

7. You didn't respond to what I posted

[redstatebluegirl]

16. Yes I did, goodbye. I am blocking the bernie bros.

[left-of-center2012]

29. "bernie bros"

I'm far from being a 'bernie bros'
but block me if you please.

[LanternWaste]

22. Tough old world when we can't see an obvious and relevant reponse.

but I get it... sometimes we pretend we need to have things spelled out for us very simplistically.

[left-of-center2012]

26. Some seem to think all 'outside money' is GOP?

[Chakaconcarne]

14. That is very clear...

Which I think makes people raise the question.

[dualboy24]

20. I don't get that narative

I mean he is polling great, highly liked, and he has events that draw in the biggest crowds of anyone running on the democratic side. I mean massive events.

He has a passionate supporters.

This is just a conspiracy theory that the republicans are propping him up. They are all in love with their god emperor, and don't think anything can stop him.

[TexasTowelie]

35. Massive events like this one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287467153

Even though it is supposed to be a Bernie rally, it appears that a decent proportion of the attendees came to see Vampire Weekend rather than to see Bernie. There was even a Republican intern that showed up for the massive event.

[PatSeg]

33. It is the sort of thing that republicans

tend to do. Already there are reports of republicans in South Carolina planning to vote for Bernie in the primaries to boost his chance of being the nominee. There's not much of anything republicans won't do to win. That is no secret and we all know that.

Edited to clarify meaning.

[redstatebluegirl]

40. You bet.

[ProfessorPlum]

112. I don't think that is clear at all. The polling of who would beat Trump

contradicts that, in fact.

[redstatebluegirl]

8. Yes, but I think the GOP has made it clear they would like to run against BS.

[ProfessorPlum]

113. despite several stories about Trump fearing Sanders as an opponent

[ehrnst]

106. Actually there are restrictions on who can donate.

For instance, corporations can't legally donate to campaigns. I mean some PACs that support candidates have found ways to hide the source of their donations, but technically it's illegal.

But, if Karl Rove's dark money superpac wants to run $$millions in ads to help a particular Democratic primary candidate that the GOP wants as the nominee, against his strongest opponent, then that Democratic candidate can spend less of their own money on ads, and more on other resources.

That Democratic candidate would not be required to tell that superpac to stop, or report that money as a donation, or even consider it help, even if their supporters were making those ads go viral, and they were refusing to tell their supporters to stop sharing those ads against their candidate.

However, we can all agree that saying nothing while a candidate knows that Karl Rove's superpac is doing this on their behalf is indeed "getting help in a financial manner from Karl Rove and the GOP."

[Autumn]

5. Might be. I know some Independents and a couple of Republicans who donated to him.

[JoeOtterbein]

11. BAM!!!!!!!!

(little laughing emoji guy)

[Autumn]

15. The "terrible feeling" is that Bernie is doing well while Biden is only hanging on.

IMO

[JoeOtterbein]

17. Really! nt

[PatSeg]

37. No

The "terrible feeling" is Bernie being the Democratic nominee and Trump winning reelection. This feeling is more anti Trump, not anti Bernie.

[Autumn]

45. Here's what I think. I think if Biden is the nominee Trump will reelection. nt

[PatSeg]

52. And that would be why

Trump has been working so hard to discredit Biden. There was even an impeachment process because of it.

[Autumn]

55. Yeah, Trump was on the Bidens this morning in his victory lap. Expect more of it.

[Hortensis]

60. Too much reason. Lol, if Russian troops were marching

down the streets after Sanders was elected it'd still be Biden's failure. And our fault as well, of course.

[redstatebluegirl]

12. No just an Oklahoma person with a sense of what is going on.

[LanternWaste]

23. It's best to pretend divisiveness when attempt divisions.

Regardless of the petulant irrelevance of what "you probably are.."

[redqueen]

10. No, you're not. nt

[Nanjeanne]

13. Wouldn't surprise me if almost every candidate is receiving money from Independents

and Republicans as well as Democrats.

[Hortensis]

61. Me neither. But money and assistance from Russia and other

hostile foreign nations to almost every candidate? NO. Absolutely not.

Only a couple are known, or at least have been reported to the public by our intelligence services/Mueller report, to receive aid from hostile foreign nations. Sanders has been believed to be the primary recipient of Russia's assistance, believed continuously since 2015. But he, and any others who have, accepted it quietly instead of calling it out AND warning everyone in their databases not to let hostile counterintelligence operations from the Kremlin, China's and Iran's ministries of state security, NK, etc., get into their heads to mind-fuck them.

Betrayal of trust.

And again, you will NOT find honorable people like Biden, Warren, and Klobuchar involved. For obvious reasons. In this (mostly) cyber warfare to destroy our nation, Democrats like them are the dangerous opponents who must be taken out.

[Nanjeanne]

73. I don't believe Sanders is receiving Russian $. Pls provide proof if u have it

I get you hate Sanders. To infer he is dishonorable is shameful INMO.

But carry on if it makes you happy. I’m content knowing DU isn’t the real world.

[Hortensis]

75. I don't hate him. I fear what he's an inadvertent part of.

And I am angry that this is happening through OUR party.

As for your request, here's the Mueller report I just grabbed for you as an easy good deed. Investigative journalists have covered this extensively in the past, even won awards for it, and are starting again. I don't know what your sources are, but you might expand them. Suggest skipping all partisan interpretations and go directly to the investigative reports. People connected with our intelligence services have also commented on this elsewhere in various journals and so on.

As I said elsewhere, although some are talking about money, that'd be small potatoes. I believe any money that might have been slipped to him is nothing to what we KNOW about the incredibly invaluable suborning and delivery of supporters who have no idea, or just don't care, that Russian intelligence operations helped sell Sanders to them, helped poison them with Sanders' and Republican lies against the Democratic Party, and helped get them out to the polls. Assistance worth a large part of that $billion presidential elections cost these days, even without counting small donations from them.

Btw, you might also read about the enormously sophisticated and expensive communications operation Sanders now has. The extremely large and detailed database alone might well have taken most of his small "grassroots" donations, unless much of it was donated.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

[Nanjeanne]

77. Doesn't support your claim. But don't let that stop you. We will agree to disagree.

[Hortensis]

82. :) Saying no to being a useful idiot is more high minded

than it might sound. Have a nice day.

[Nanjeanne]

84. No idea what you are saying. I assume an insult. But again, be happy.

[Hortensis]

86. You should assume we are at WAR! Because we are.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I don't know

But if he loses - he proves his point. Big money is not needed in the Election Process.

[Hortensis]

69. Certainly not by big GOP donors, Russia, NK, Iran.

Unless you imagine sending donations small enough to fly unidentified below regulatory scrutiny is beyond their technical abilities.

We know, though, that their biggest assistance by far is by delivering what candidates need the money for in the first place -- voters. Russia found the returns from cyber/media sabotage of the 2016 election enormous, enormous!!!, and the costs absurdly low. And they're all extremely skilled at turning earnest people who want to do good into useful idiots.

[JustAnotherGen]

89. This is an excellent point

Russia found the returns from cyber/media sabotage of the 2016 election enormous, enormous!!!, and the costs absurdly low

This is why I refuse to get off of Social Media. No way - not gonna give them ground. I'm downright NASTY to any bots or 'paid poster' on Malinowski's page, Governor Murphy's, Bookers, etc. etc.

[Hortensis]

94. :) It's their useful idiots who need off. YOU they need off.

[lapucelle]

19. Candidates are not required to disclose the source of low dollar donations.

That's a potential problem for all candidates touting their small dollar donor cred.

And then there's this:

Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesn’t have to disclose its donors — a stream of revenue commonly referred to as “dark money.”

Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders’ 2020 bid.

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604

Watchdog files FEC complaint against pro-Sanders nonprofit

Our Revolution has taken in nearly $1 million from donors whose contributions exceeded those limits and whose identities it hasn’t fully disclosed, according to tax filings for 2016, 2017 and 2018. Much of it came from donors who contributed six-figure sums.

https://apnews.com/cd7a58676b6fc8cbe2f9783f469d0bee

[empedocles]

54. Look below in this thread. Not seeing the usual 'bernie bros', or any response to your data.

[DanTex]

21. Bloomberg's money is definitely from outside our party. Whether that's "BS" is I guess arguable.

[radical noodle]

47. But it is his own money

[Hortensis]

72. Pretending "outside" just means non-Democratic Americans

is deflection from the huge problem that the GOP's Big-Money backers and our (OUR) international enemies are assisting and likely to some degree funding candidates they consider assets until it's time to kill them off too.

Btw, I suspect the repeated attempts at deflection probably indicate a lack of ignorance on this subject. Those who want to win at any cost aren't all on the right.

Too bad that self indulgence apparently precludes the insight necessary for concern about what their own share of those costs might be, and just how devastating they might be. This is the U.S. No one here could ever find themselves someday huddled in an old blanket that's become their most valuable possession. That just happens to many millions of others on other continents.

[jcmaine72]

74. This

That would also tie in to the OP's theory that it's coming from outside Republicans, or in this case, a (Former? Really?) Republican Mike Bloomberg.

It certainly makes sense if you think about it. Even at the height of his popularity, Bloomy could never have won a national election as a Republican. He would've been laughed off any stage in the Heartland and South where his imperious, prissy manner and Nanny State tendencies would go over like the proverbial lead balloon.

However, if he slaps a (D) next to his name, spends a few hundred million of his vast, near bottomless fortune trying to convince those desperate to get rid of Trump at any cost that he's the right man for the job, well, there ya go!

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but there has to be some logical explanation as to why self-professed progressives who were once absolutely appalled by this man and the countless, well-documented civil rights violations that occurred under his administration as mayor of NYC now unconditionally welcome him with open arms and a loving smile.

[bucolic_frolic]

24. If there is evidence post it

if this is seeding the argument, let's not go there.

[Hortensis]

25. Technical/data/media support more likely than large amounts

of money, though no doubt some of that is filtered to him also.

Our intelligence services say Russia has continued its operations all along to use our elections to collapse our nation into chaos, starting in the 1990s and revving up. 2016 was a great war victory to build on. The report is that they've become much more covert now to make it harder to alert people to what's happening.

As we're seeing, vast numbers are bizarrely uncaring that Russia has been using Sanders as a weapon against THEM. Maybe they're putting something in our drinking water too.

And, of course, Russia's not the only hostile nation working to break us. Others of the major actors include China, Iran, Turkey, North Korea.

[redstatebluegirl]

28. This is what I am talking about.

[Hortensis]

41. Repeat of the 2016 the pattern of strong support for

one candidate revealed by months of polling suddenly collapsing and becoming strong support for other candidate/candidates previously trailing.

Imagine those monitoring will see massive social media operations shift into high gear not too long ago, including those that got out Sanders' very large ground game out in Iowa. Aid to the Sanders campaign, whether delivered directly to his campaign or indirectly to assisting operations, would include massive, invaluable data on everything pertinent. His communications operations were already known to have become extremely sophisticated and data-intensive.

Lol, just a thought. Whatever all's going on, we now know Sanders had reason to feel particularly good going into Iowa. Did he anticipate Buttigieg's soar? It'd be amusing if at least part of it was a side effect of his own operations or those of others he didn't realize were helping Buttigieg.

[redstatebluegirl]

43. Yes, and lots of Democrats want to ignore this.

[Hortensis]

49. The same media who helped elect Trump, including NYT, AP,

MSNBC, CNN, and many others will help make that easy.

[Peacetrain]

42. Someone brought up the idea, that the Russians many actually be brain washing

some of the Republicans who were so adamantly against Trump and now want to destroy our Democracy.. Getting invited to Maralago and bam they come back Zombies

[Hortensis]

110. :) Change that to blackmailing, and absolutely.

We KNOW that our own RW powers and Russia have been deliberately instilling corruption into our institutions, government and private, for some time now, for the purpose of controlling and sometimes destroying them, and that RW billionaires have been training and maneuvering people of poor character into influential positions for even longer.

Kavanaugh was typical, only the highly public exposure of his appalling unsuitability for any position of trust different. Does anyone watching that stunningly dishonorable collection they stuffed the Republican caucuses with doubt many will have committed or become entangled at some point with seriously illicit acts? Although powers always have their own information sources, their access to the FBI's files alone has to have become a grave threat to our democracy.

As for brainwashing, though, we do need a new definition or word to cover the mass corruption of the populace. It's beginning to feel like we've been living the invasion of the pod people and are just realizing.

Brainwashing as the systematic implantation of doctored selections of the lies different groups want to hear until understanding has been replaced with self-destructive craziness, good sense destroyed, and morals corrupted to serve.

?

[questionseverything]

99. ok you arent serious are you?

you said,


As we're seeing, vast numbers are bizarrely uncaring that Russia has been using Sanders as a weapon against THEM. Maybe they're putting something in our drinking water too.


OUR DRINKING WATER?????

unreal

[Hortensis]

109. No, wasn't serious about the water, but about craziness yes!

The trumpster disorder is spreading on the left and threatening to destroy our majority against the insanity on the right. Who needs "brainwashing" (a joke also) when using mass communications to bombard willing recipients with lies can change the behaviors and corrupt the morals and hard-headed self interest of millions?

Sensible people would care, to put it mildly, that they were being used as tools for Russia in a war to take down their own nation and wonder what living in a nation defeated in a war conducted entirely within, not overseas, would do to their lives. Would they still have a job? Retirement income? Forget national healthcare, worry about what inability to pay for Social Security and Medicare would mean, or a kleptocratic authoritarian replacement government that "privatized" them to destroy; in a broken nation, maybe there'd be no need for the privatization disappearing act, just cancel.

Vox has a very interesting article suggesting that Sanders is making inroads among trumpsters, one running on utopia, the other on dystopia. The article's not about Russian interference, but this is very much one of the things watchers would expect to be happening. Our intelligence services say part of Russia's plan to destroy us by sowing chaos is to unite Trump's and Sanders' anti-establishment populists against establishment voters on both sides to bring down our government. With various other interesting things going on to make sure it does go down and what replaces it is as corrupt and dysfunctional as Russia needs it to be.

Here's that Vox article, btw.

Why some conservatives think Sanders is Trump’s biggest threat: “Even though the populists are not socialists, Sanders is speaking their language.”

For some conservatives, Sanders is the ideal foil for Trump — regardless of whether those conservatives are supportive of Trump. Sanders is a socialist, with a record of praising dictators (granted, so does Trump) and arguing in favor of bread lines in the mid-1980s. Some conservative PACs are even airing ads that could help Sanders in the primary. And Trump-skeptical conservatives, who at least say they’d be willing to vote for a moderate Democrat, are sounding the alarm about Sanders’s candidacy, arguing that it would be simply impossible for Sanders to win, his nomination dooming the Democratic Party for a generation.

But there’s another theory of the case, one in which Sanders’s unique candidacy actually provides the biggest threat to Trump. His populist message is aimed squarely at the same people Trump effectively activated in 2016. As conservative writer David French argued, “Trump will run on dystopia. Bernie will run on utopia.” Moreover, in 2020 Trump will be the establishment candidate, while Sanders will be the anti-elite upstart. And this group of conservatives worries that could, once again, prove a winning formula.

This split reflects a deeper and growing divide in conservatism: between traditional small-government, free market, libertarian-leaning conservatives and an emerging populist conservative movement that sees some of its 2016 self in Sanders. In short, how the right is responding to Sanders’s campaign says as much about the conservative movement and its ideological fault lines as it does about him.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/3/21083839/bernie-sanders-trump-conservatism-iowa-2020

[KPN]

27. Am I the only one who thinks Joe Biden's, Pete Buttigieg's or any other moderate candidate's money

is coming from outside our party?

I have a terrible feeling that they are being supported by Republicans who prefer corporations over people and would prefer moderate Dems over Sanders, Warren or Yang.

Ridiculous isn't it?

Do you have any proof of anything nefarious or are you just trying to raise fears and undermine Sanders?

There ought to be a rule that covers and prohibits this sort of irresponsible rumor, controversy, fear mongering.

Geesh!

[Autumn]

53. You are not the only one

[questionseverything]

97. and now....theres something in our water?

lawd

[ProfessorPlum]

114. you are not the only one

[handmade34]

30. you are not the only one

[LanternWaste]

31. We ask ourselves 'Which candidate would the GOP most like to run against"

And from there, make rather easy deductions. My guess is they're hedging their bets and placing a big pile of bright, shiny poker chips in front of both Bernie and Tulsi.

[redstatebluegirl]

32. You bet, the ads write themselves.

[redstateblues]

39. I share your concern

[greatauntoftriplets]

34. No.

[jrthin]

36. No, you are not. nt

[Green Line]

44. No, you're not the only one, I've been saying that for a while

[TexasTowelie]

46. No, I wouldn't be surprised.

I also wouldn't be surprised if some of that money is going into the betting markets to create a narrative that Bernie is surging despite the lackluster results of the Iowa caucus.

[redstatebluegirl]

48. Yes I agree.

[Me.]

50. We Were Talking About That This Morning

where is it actually coming from, students with big loan debts? We better hope it's Cons, and not Russians.

[yellowwoodII]

51. Is that supposed to be a negative?

S'funny, I see his ability to garner support beyond our party as a positive. I'd be happy to vote for him or Elizabeth or Pete or Amy.
I will vote for Joe if I have to as opposed to Trump.

[rzemanfl]

56. Bookmarking. n/t

[tiredtoo]

57. Someone here already said this but i will repeat.

The parties both have a dismal record of picking their opponents. republicans wanted Obama, Democrats wanted trump.

[redstatebluegirl]

63. Good grief.

[tiredtoo]

67. Huh?

what does that mean?

[questionseverything]

98. that is true

I did not think we could possibly lose to trump

[muntrv]

59. Not alone.

[flamingdem]

62. Which primaries allow repub party voters to participate

The repubs are all over ruining this for us

[tiredtoo]

64. Michigan has open primaries

Bernie won in last primary election for president.

[CentralMass]

65. This motivates me to contribute another $27 to Bernie. Thanks.

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[lynintenn]

66. I think he is getting money from republicans to help defeat us

They have their ducks in a row and we can't even get it together in a small state like Iowa

[redstatebluegirl]

68. Totally agree.

[zackymilly]

70. ...

[Beringia]

71. Am I the only one who thinks Buttigieg is getting help from Hollywood

[katmondoo]

76. I am beginning to think he may be getting dirty money.

[R B Garr]

80. +++++++

[Retrograde]

83. I don't think he's soliciting it

or doing anything to actively encourage it, but I agree with you: the people and other entities that benefit from having Trump in power have very deep pockets and long-established ways of moving money around. If it's happening, I doubt Bernie's campaign even knows where the money is ultimately coming from.

[R B Garr]

78. Absolutely it is. It's been obvious for years. Remember Tad Devine.

Tad Devine worked with Paul Manafort on elections in Ukraine. He would know all about these kinds of arrangements.

Plus the GOP knows this is a storyline now and feeding it helps them.

Great thread! It's about time this was brought up.

[krissey]

79. We certainly didn't see it in his voter turn out in Iowa. A tie, at best.

[octoberlib]

81. There's a reason he's being investigated by the

FEC for not disclosing his donors as is required by law.

[peggysue2]

85. Yes

Rather interesting and same old, same old!

[R B Garr]

115. Bingo! He needs to be transparent. nt

[jmg257]

87. Your concern is duly noted!

25million in a month IS a lot of cash!

Sanders Raises $25 Million in January, a Huge Show of Financial Strength
The Vermont senator’s announcement came as the Biden, Buttigieg and Warren campaigns are showing signs of financial strain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-donations.html

$$$ $$$

[yaesu]

88. these concern treads are very entertaining I must admit

[wyldwolf]

92. Entertaining?? I think they're concerning!

[QualTest]

90. Are You Kidding Me??

This is actually something you want to throw out there and debate about?
Are you folks crazy?

After what has happened over the last week, all you want to do is play stupid conspiracy
theory games, and keep flinging poo at all the people INSIDE the D primaries!

That Really sounds like a good idea to all of you?

Supreme Leader Trump gets acquitted, has the highest polls of his term, spends the day
pissing on our Constitution, and his minions are going completely nuts with their fascist crap.

I think everyone is having more fun battling inside the party than focusing on getting Trump
Out Of Office! Just support whatever candidate you support.

Call, door knock, rally, extoll the virtue of their platform, whatever..... Give others a Good reason
to support who you feel is a good candidate, and why.

But, this constant need to talk down, throw crap, dredge dirt, demean, and otherwise shove down
the opposition rather than lift up the person you do support, just makes us all look like a bunch of
petty, in fighting, disorganized, idiots!

And yes, Trump Will Win in Nov. if this is how things continue!
Do you want Trump OUT, or to be Right, and only have "your person be the person"?
At least the GOP stands as a unified front, no matter what, and seem to get their way!

For the future of the country, just Stop already!

[AtheistCrusader]

91. Your concern is noted. Thread seems to have served its purpose.

[wiggs]

93. Leaving Bernie aside, THERE'S NO WAY TPTB WILL MERELY LEAVE THIS ELECTION ALONE, to be

determined by citizens, public debate, honest information, and fair elections.

There is too much at stake, too much money involved, too much power, too many deals. It's the GOP...but the driving force is many of the world's oligarchs and dictators. From several countries, not just Russia. They will float legal and illegal money into whatever campaign or organization will help Trump or hurt his real threats.

Also at stake is whether or not many, many accomplices will be in jail...from Prince, Don Jr, Flynn, Barr to McConnell, Nunes, NRA, RNC, and more. This is not a game...and it's way more serious and dangerous than typical politics such as a large company lobbying a favored congressperson for a vote or two, bundling money, flirting with campaign finance boundaries.... this is a global alignment of power that means to keep and expand that power for it's own sake. And with this administration they appear to have found a way around laws, norms, regulatory agencies, check and balances, scrutiny, and prosecution.

I like Bernie and doubt he would knowingly be a pawn...same with (almost all) the other dem candidates. But I have no problem believing that and also believing that outside influences will do what they do regardless of candidates' wishes.

[QualTest]

96. Well...

There's not much any of us can do about "outside" influences.
No candidate can determine who will do, "whatever" outside of their control.

This is like trying to fight phantoms.... Let's stop worrying about thing we can't control!

Support your candidate. Support their platform. Convince us they should be our President!
Make the case, do it with passion.....

It's all we can do. Stop trying to play 11 dimensional chess. Fight for the facts and the case.
We can all get on board from that.

We need to beat Trump! He IS the evil. Not only him, but all the fascists in the GOP.
Let's stop fighting each other, and go beat THEM!

[betsuni]

95. Of course it is.

[Doremus]

100. So funny.

Some people here would rather stand on their heads and sing Yellow Submarine than consider for a minute that enough Americans have finally come to realize which candidate is going to fight for them. Psst. It's the candidate that has a 40 year career of DOING JUST THAT.

[Blue_true]

101. I have believed that for a while now. nt

[Hannahcares]

102. dark money" and crossover voting in primaries

I worry about dark money groups and crossover voting impacting the primary results, and perhaps keeping the Dems from nominating a candidate who can actually defeat Trump.

[redstatebluegirl]

103. Me too.

[emmaverybo]

104. Not the only one. Republicans would do all and anything. So would some candidates. So anything

is possible.

[ehrnst]

105. Common Cause has filed a complaint about soft money violations and Our Revolution

https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/

[grossproffit]

108. No, you're not.

[ProfessorPlum]

111. Is this the new talking point? Suddenly so many are "concerned" about this

I would think it equally likely that there is money going to Joe, Amy, and Pete because they all do worse against Trump than Sanders does in head to head match ups.