Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAssuming Sanders "wins" (not certain at all), let's look at it practically:
He said he had 25,000 volunteers in Iowa since late summer/early fall
He spent as much as $50 million in Iowa (I suspect it was closer to $30)
He got roughly 45,000 votes
That calculates to less than 2 votes per volunteer who campaigned roughly four months, and each vote cost more than $600.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)but make it all the clearer how significant that victory was.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)Never mind the supposed invincible candidate who got ZERO pledged delegates. ZERO.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Whether your guy won IA or not... there will be no victory in the GE
Link to tweet
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This isnt an I gotcha moment/post.. its reality
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The odds have Bernie as the most electable. Right now at 49 for the nomination and 30 to be the next president, that puts him at 30/49=61% to beat Trump if he gets the nom, higher than Bloomberg or Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)It isnt about being lower or higher than one candidate or another. Like it or not this is the reality. Bernie is just not that strong of candidate either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The GE. Unless something unforeseen happens I have a bad feeling about this
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,242 posts)and spinning it into an an invented metric (the initial popular vote) is just sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
more people are interested in honesty.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
If the Biden campaign is as listless as Sanders supporters here and the media have made it out to be, that doesnt feel like a very big accomplishment at this point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The base awaits Bernie below. He can't run in tiny white place forever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,123 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,856 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Strong Victory Win!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,003 posts)Assuming his campaign also had a ground campaign, he likely spent between 10-20M on the state.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)But how does a candidate spend many millions "on the ground"?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,003 posts)Offices. Events. Signs. It is all very expensive.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)so much. Why I wonder.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(13,003 posts)For starters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)link for spending info: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/breaking-money-democratic-candidates-spent-iowa-68734920
Spending:
Steyer $16.3M
Sanders $10.8M
Buttigieg $10.5M
Biden $9M ($4.2M direct, $4.8M from a supporting super PAC)
Yang $6.9M
Warren $6.3M
Klobuchar $3.9M
Cost per vote:
Steyer $5431
Yang $3938
Biden $390
Buttigieg $248
Sanders $241
Klobuchar $190
Warren $183
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...there are so many numbers thrown around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,808 posts)All of this - is that on the left - we champion taking money out of elections.
It will be interesting to see where Biden ends up midway through. Super PAC money or not - if gets farther with the least amount of money - that tells me his recognition is strong.
He might not need all of the advertising and such that others will need - as he's already a 'star'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,816 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,808 posts)And I really truly believe that in SC and NV - Sanders and Buttigieg will falter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)it is because he gets thousands of small donors who are financing his campaign. Bernie is not trying to buy the nomination by spending billions of his own dollars.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Bernie Sanders hasnt just been gaining in the polls for the past month. He has also assembled a campaign juggernaut built to last well beyond Iowa and stocked it with twice as much money as his top rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Sanders spent a whopping $50 million in the last three months of 2019 to set up his surge, at least $15 million more than any of Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren or Pete Buttigieg, the other main contenders in Iowa. And even while Sanders blew out his spending budget, his legion of small-dollar online donors pumped in enough money for him to finish the year with $18.2 million in the bank, more than twice as much as Biden, who had $8.9 million.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/01/bernie-sanders-fec-spending-110157
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,003 posts)money and spend it effectively. That is why hes obviously the wrong choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)And he couldn't pull out a decisive win? After the complaints he made after his loss in'16 he insisted on rules changes and this mess is what we got.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,003 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)a lot of gaslighting going on tonight
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(13,952 posts)I will wholeheartedly support him if he wins the nomination, with canvassing and donations. But I dont have a good feeling about his chances in certain states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Whatever Bernie raises they'll raise 10 Times more. The Commercials will be non stop in the swing states. Dream all you want but it ain't gonna happen
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustAnotherGen
(31,808 posts)Are going to be set up through November - regardless of who the Nominee is. If Sanders is the nominee - he's going to have to stop being visionary and start being pragmatic. IE Take the money, the field offices, the paid canvassers, advertising and run.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jmg257
(11,996 posts)almost half the number of votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden