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Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:42 PM

 

Iowa just reported to 100%..Pete up 1.5 delegates

https://results.thecaucuses.org/

Candidate
SDE
National Delegates
Bennet
0
-
Biden
341.172
-
Bloomberg
0.21
-
Buttigieg
564.012
-
Delaney
0
-
Gabbard
0.114
-
Klobuchar
264.204
-
Patrick
0
-
Sanders
562.497
-
Steyer
6.739
-
Warren
387.069
-
Yang
22.223
-
Other
0.693
-
Uncommitted
3.957
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jezebel321 Feb 2020 OP
George II Feb 2020 #1
jezebel321 Feb 2020 #2
Cha Feb 2020 #6
Legends303 Feb 2020 #3
Zolorp Feb 2020 #10
Blue_true Feb 2020 #13
George II Feb 2020 #16
Blue_true Feb 2020 #21
radical noodle Feb 2020 #49
redstateblues Feb 2020 #66
Peacetrain Feb 2020 #68
ehrnst Feb 2020 #35
LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #54
Generic Brad Feb 2020 #42
pnwmom Feb 2020 #45
StevieM Feb 2020 #4
honest.abe Feb 2020 #5
Cha Feb 2020 #7
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #9
Blue_true Feb 2020 #15
DanTex Feb 2020 #24
George II Feb 2020 #28
ehrnst Feb 2020 #36
Zolorp Feb 2020 #8
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #25
former9thward Feb 2020 #40
Zolorp Feb 2020 #41
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #65
George II Feb 2020 #47
NJCher Feb 2020 #58
Zolorp Feb 2020 #60
NJCher Feb 2020 #61
Zolorp Feb 2020 #62
NJCher Feb 2020 #63
elleng Feb 2020 #11
ancianita Feb 2020 #12
Legends303 Feb 2020 #14
ancianita Feb 2020 #17
radical noodle Feb 2020 #50
Celerity Feb 2020 #55
radical noodle Feb 2020 #57
Celerity Feb 2020 #59
bluewater Feb 2020 #18
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #43
radical noodle Feb 2020 #52
krissey Feb 2020 #19
Blue Owl Feb 2020 #20
Johnny2X2X Feb 2020 #22
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #23
still_one Feb 2020 #26
greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #27
radical noodle Feb 2020 #56
Post removed Feb 2020 #29
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #30
msongs Feb 2020 #32
Scurrilous Feb 2020 #33
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #34
Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #31
StevieM Feb 2020 #38
Politicub Feb 2020 #37
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #39
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #48
SunSeeker Feb 2020 #44
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #46
amuse bouche Feb 2020 #51
AverageJoe Feb 2020 #53
bhikkhu Feb 2020 #64
Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #67
Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #69
bluewater Feb 2020 #70
Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #71

Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:44 PM

1. Buttigieg wins!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:45 PM

2. I'm doing a little jig. YES!!!!! nt

 

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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:52 PM

6. Pete Sure Does WIN!

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:47 PM

3. Did he also win the popular vote?

 

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Response to Legends303 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:55 PM

10. Popular vote is meaningless in caucuses.

 

The SDEs are based upon number of registered Democrats in each precinct. Those who show up represent ALL of the Democrats in their precinct.

So popular votes don't mean poop, only the SDEs matter.
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Response to Legends303 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:57 PM

13. Bernie's camoaign fought to get it changed to the system that Pete won. nt

 

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:59 PM

16. Ironic, isn't it? And who is the one complaining the most about it?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:32 PM

21. That is what bothers me about Bernie.

 

With him the tide shifts based upon what he thinks is best for him and his campaign.

To me that is inconsistent and too much like what we are seeing from Trump. But I guess that makes sense in a way, both Trump and Bernie run populist campaigns that focus on what is wrong and not the abundance of what is right, so they collect a core of diehards that, IMO, believe that they are being played for suckers by the "system" or "establishment". The Press is afraid to attack Trump because he turns on it and accuse it of being out to get him, Bernie has done some of the very same wording. If push comes to shove I certainly would infinitely rather have Bernie as President, but the similarities in how the two campaign and treat the Press, and people that don't agree with them is demoralizing to watch.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:31 PM

49. I've noticed that as well

 

This Iowa race has spotlighted it.
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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:16 AM

66. Hoisted on his own petard

 

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:00 AM

68. Yes he did!! Tried to put a primary in the middle of the caucus and we got what we got Monday

 

It was nuts.. You are either a caucus or you are a primary..

EDIT TO ADD: and it is the Iowa Democratic Partys fault for trying to please everyone. They should have said no!! we are a caucus or start the process of becoming a primary. Jezzz
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Response to Legends303 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:53 PM

35. There is no "Popular vote" in caucuses, like there is in a primaries.

 

People go to meetings, and decide in groups - they don't cast individual votes.

A group makes a decision.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:44 PM

54. It may appear that way for primaries but not true.

 

Delegates are determined by the average of the last 3 presidential general elections for the Democratic candidate for each state. (At least it was in 2016 and think it still is.)

Now the states determine how the delegates are allocated for each of their congressional district. Here in Indiana it is the average of the Democratic vote for Governor in 2016 and Secretary of State in 2018 divided by 400.

Even though congressional districts are created to be as near as possible the same population in each district, not every district has the same number of number of national convention delegates. The voter turnout for Democrats is the factor.

States with similar population do not all have nearly the same number of national delegates. In 2016, Missouri had a 2010 population of 6,021,988 and had 71 national delegates while
Wisconsin's 2010 population is 5,726,386 with 86 delegates. All because of voter turnout for the Democratic candidates in last 3 presidential.

The allocation for district delegates to state conventions is of the same nature.
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Response to Legends303 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:24 PM

42. I believe he did

 

I just saw a report on Kos that stated that.
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Response to Legends303 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:29 PM

45. People who support caucuses -- like Bernie's people in 2016 when he did very well there --

 

are accepting that they don't produce popular vote winners.
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:51 PM

4. Congratulations, Mayor Pete!!

 

That was quite the victory!!
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:52 PM

5. Looks like Sanders victory dance was premature.

 

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:53 PM

7. Quite.

 

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:55 PM

9. Sanders declared victory precisely because he thought this result was likely.

 

If he'd been entirely confident he'd be ahead in state delegate equivalents when the vote was completely tallied, he'd have waited.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:59 PM

15. Sanders lost the delegate allocation method that he thought would help him win big. nt

 

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:39 PM

24. No, Bernie still got the most votes. Comfortably.

 

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Response to DanTex (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:45 PM

28. 2600 more than Buttigieg out of 170,000 (1.5%) isn't comfortably.

 

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Response to DanTex (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:57 PM

36. But you weren't concerned with "votes" when it came to the GE in 2016.

 

"I'm not really interested in the vote totals" you said, because what was important was the EC.

I like to think that I've had an influence on you, and this just isn't a double standard you have.

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:54 PM

8. Congratulations to Mayor Pete.

 

And Sanders spent $50 million, TO LOSE!
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:41 PM

25. yep

 

Iowa was a boondoggle for Bernie given the blowout predictions and expectations from his supporters.
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:17 PM

40. Just curious, How much did Biden spend To LOSE?

 

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Response to former9thward (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:19 PM

41. He started with less money than anybody else and fund raising has been a problem

 

Best answer? Not much.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:27 AM

65. Less than Bernie.

 

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Response to Zolorp (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:45 PM

47. And considering he kept bragging about "25,000 volunteers on the ground", with 45,000 votes....

 

...that calculates to less than 2 voters per volunteer. A veritable juggernaut of a ground game.
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:51 PM

58. that's not correct

 

you need to read up on how the delegates break out. There is no one definitive winner like you are implying. It can be said that Bernie won and Pete won, but it cannot be said that Sanders lost.

If you need help in understanding what happened, read down thread. There are some good posts that explain it.
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Response to NJCher (Reply #58)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:58 PM

60. The ONLY thing that matters in ANY caucus are SDEs. Any comments to the contrary are BS.

 

Sanders lost.
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:01 AM

61. point me to reliable source that backs you up on that statement

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see it.

Waiting....
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Response to NJCher (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:03 AM

62. Every Caucus ever.

 

With that, buh bye..
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:11 AM

63. yeah, just what I suspected

 

Who are you to make that statement? You're just some poster on the internet. You have no credibility, no authority, and quite obviously no knowledge of the situation. If you did, you'd have a source. Your claim is uninformed and unreliable. No one should take it seriously.
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:56 PM

11. and AP won't/can't.

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:57 PM

12. Aren't they also going to do a recount? I thought I heard that on MSNBC.

 

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:59 PM

14. We might never know until after NH

 

but it seems Pete won less than 0.1% which anything at this point can flip it back.
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Response to Legends303 (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:00 PM

17. Good to know, thanks.

 

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:34 PM

50. Perez told them to recount

 

but they said they only recount if a candidate asks for it.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:44 PM

55. he asked for a recanvass, not a recount, big difference

 

What Would a ‘Recanvass’ in Iowa Look Like?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/iowa-recanvass-meaning.html

Tom Perez, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, demanded on Thursday that Iowa Democrats double-check votes from Monday’s caucuses after a meltdown in reporting results.

Mr. Perez mentioned a “recanvass.” There is also the possibility of a “recount.”

What’s the difference? In short: A recanvass involves checking the math on 1,756 precinct work sheets. A recount would require the hand-counting of about 180,000 preference cards from caucusgoers across the state and around the world.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:48 PM

57. Yes, my bad!

 

You're right it was recanvass. I heard on the news that they wouldn't do it unless a candidate asked, but I see nothing wrong with checking math. In fact, I think math should always be checked particularly if it's as complicated as the caucus math.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:51 PM

59. +100000

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:05 PM

18. 1.5 delegates out of 1765 total for the 0.085% WIN!

 

That's a 0.085% win!

Congratulations to Pete and his supporters and good luck going forward.




Hey, I wish MY candidate won by 0.085% instead of coming in third. lol

In other news, frontrunner Joe Biden still a distant 4th.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:25 PM

43. Who is your candidate?

 

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Response to bluewater (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:38 PM

52. Elizabeth Warren could do well in NH

 

with progressive voters. I think she'd make a better candidate in the GE than sanders would. She has better plans than sanders, too.

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:09 PM

19. Yea, Buttigieg won.

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:30 PM

20. Well done, sir!

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:34 PM

22. Cool. Be done with it.

 

Every candidate should want to move on. The party should want to move on. The voters should want to move on.

It’s not a winner take all system. We’re literally going through all of this embarrassment for maybe 1 delegate that will mean nothing in a few weeks.
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:36 PM

23. ...

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:44 PM

26. Good!!! Looks like another campaign was a little premature in their classless announcement

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:45 PM

27. Bernie and Pete fans going to be debating this shit while the Trump Militias march them to the

 

shooting pits.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:45 PM

56. Nah, this Pete supporter is moving on

 

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Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:47 PM

30. Yeah, it's the Clintons.

 

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Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:48 PM

32. poor bernie the whole world is out to get him nt

 

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Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:51 PM

33. To the Revolution.

 

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:52 PM

34. Snort

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:47 PM

31. Over half need to drop out

 

Now
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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:10 PM

38. They will the day after the New Hampshire primary.

 

There will probably be only 5 candidates going on to Nevada, 6 if you count Bloomberg, who won't be campaigning there.

The remaining candidates after New Hampshire will likely be Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Sanders, Steyer and Warren.
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:05 PM

37. K&r

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:13 PM

39. Don't get these #s. Like Bloomberg got 2 tenths of a delegate?

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:48 PM

48. There are 3 different types of delegates. County, state and national. In terms of the nomination...

 

...the national/pledged delegates, of which there are 41 from Iowa, are what matter. Nobody will get a fraction of a delegate. Sanders and Buttigieg will each end up with 12-14, Warren maybe 7-9, Biden 3-5 and Klobuchar 1.

The Iowa Caucus process is always ridiculous, but it's especially so this year (and not just because of the fiasco). Contrary to what many posters have said, there are, in fact, 2 winners. Like it or not, the agreement this time around was for there to be 3 results. The pre-alignment vote total (won by Sanders), the final vote total (won by Sanders) and the state delegate equivalents (won by Buttigieg). This is all assuming they don't do a total recount and come up with different results.

It's not hard to understand why there's so much confusion regarding the results and what they mean, and that would be true even if the process had gone smoothly.

Anyway, caucuses should be banned. Many people are not able or willing to take part in a long and public spectacle.
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:28 PM

44. Congratulations!

 

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:36 PM

46. There are 3 results reported this year, so there are actually 2 winners.

 

There's the pre-alignment vote total (Sanders), the final vote total (Sanders by a narrower margin) and the state delegate equivalents (Buttigieg).

It's screwy, I know, but that was what was agreed to for this year's Iowa Caucus.

In terms of the nomination, what matters are the 41 pledged (national) delegates. Not the county convention delegates or the state delegates.
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:35 PM

51. This is fantastic. I hope it's just the beginning

 

He is such a breath of fresh air
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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:41 PM

53. Congratulations:-)

 

On to New Hampshire!

And remember, when the time comes, Vote Blue — No Matter Who!
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Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:25 AM

64. Personally, I like them both

 

and find it pretty early to not simply be happy that two very good choices are doing well. I'd have liked Warren to do better, but I'm happy for Mayor Pete.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:51 AM

67. Pete no federal political experience understands how caucuses work

 

BS with 30 years, still doesn't understand.

Hmmm who would you want to trust with complex decisions at the international level?
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Joe Biden

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Response to jezebel321 (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:06 AM

69. Not delegates. SDEs and results now show they are one tenth of one % apart

 

Simply put, SDEs are not delegates. But with some math, SDEs are converted to the proportional amount of delegates a candidate gets in each precinct.

They will likely get the same number of actual delegates.
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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:10 AM

70. I think the Winner in Iowa gets a 1 national delegate freebie for winning the caucus.

 

So Pete might be +1 in final delegates even though the results are virtually identical, if that is true.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #70)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:14 AM

71. Maybe. Don't know and it's such a clusterfuck we may not know for a long time!

 

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