Iowa just reported to 100%..Pete up 1.5 delegates

[jezebel321]

https://results.thecaucuses.org/

Candidate
SDE
National Delegates
Bennet
0
-
Biden
341.172
-
Bloomberg
0.21
-
Buttigieg
564.012
-
Delaney
0
-
Gabbard
0.114
-
Klobuchar
264.204
-
Patrick
0
-
Sanders
562.497
-
Steyer
6.739
-
Warren
387.069
-
Yang
22.223
-
Other
0.693
-
Uncommitted
3.957

[George II]

1. Buttigieg wins!

[jezebel321]

2. I'm doing a little jig. YES!!!!! nt

[Cha]

6. Pete Sure Does WIN!

[Legends303]

3. Did he also win the popular vote?

[Zolorp]

10. Popular vote is meaningless in caucuses.

The SDEs are based upon number of registered Democrats in each precinct. Those who show up represent ALL of the Democrats in their precinct.

So popular votes don't mean poop, only the SDEs matter.

[Blue_true]

13. Bernie's camoaign fought to get it changed to the system that Pete won. nt

[George II]

16. Ironic, isn't it? And who is the one complaining the most about it?

[Blue_true]

21. That is what bothers me about Bernie.

With him the tide shifts based upon what he thinks is best for him and his campaign.

To me that is inconsistent and too much like what we are seeing from Trump. But I guess that makes sense in a way, both Trump and Bernie run populist campaigns that focus on what is wrong and not the abundance of what is right, so they collect a core of diehards that, IMO, believe that they are being played for suckers by the "system" or "establishment". The Press is afraid to attack Trump because he turns on it and accuse it of being out to get him, Bernie has done some of the very same wording. If push comes to shove I certainly would infinitely rather have Bernie as President, but the similarities in how the two campaign and treat the Press, and people that don't agree with them is demoralizing to watch.

[radical noodle]

49. I've noticed that as well

This Iowa race has spotlighted it.

[redstateblues]

66. Hoisted on his own petard

[Peacetrain]

68. Yes he did!! Tried to put a primary in the middle of the caucus and we got what we got Monday

It was nuts.. You are either a caucus or you are a primary..

EDIT TO ADD: and it is the Iowa Democratic Partys fault for trying to please everyone. They should have said no!! we are a caucus or start the process of becoming a primary. Jezzz

[ehrnst]

35. There is no "Popular vote" in caucuses, like there is in a primaries.

People go to meetings, and decide in groups - they don't cast individual votes.

A group makes a decision.

[LiberalFighter]

54. It may appear that way for primaries but not true.

Delegates are determined by the average of the last 3 presidential general elections for the Democratic candidate for each state. (At least it was in 2016 and think it still is.)

Now the states determine how the delegates are allocated for each of their congressional district. Here in Indiana it is the average of the Democratic vote for Governor in 2016 and Secretary of State in 2018 divided by 400.

Even though congressional districts are created to be as near as possible the same population in each district, not every district has the same number of number of national convention delegates. The voter turnout for Democrats is the factor.

States with similar population do not all have nearly the same number of national delegates. In 2016, Missouri had a 2010 population of 6,021,988 and had 71 national delegates while
Wisconsin's 2010 population is 5,726,386 with 86 delegates. All because of voter turnout for the Democratic candidates in last 3 presidential.

The allocation for district delegates to state conventions is of the same nature.

[Generic Brad]

42. I believe he did

I just saw a report on Kos that stated that.

[pnwmom]

45. People who support caucuses -- like Bernie's people in 2016 when he did very well there --

are accepting that they don't produce popular vote winners.

[StevieM]

4. Congratulations, Mayor Pete!!

That was quite the victory!!

[honest.abe]

5. Looks like Sanders victory dance was premature.

[Cha]

7. Quite.

[highplainsdem]

9. Sanders declared victory precisely because he thought this result was likely.

If he'd been entirely confident he'd be ahead in state delegate equivalents when the vote was completely tallied, he'd have waited.

[Blue_true]

15. Sanders lost the delegate allocation method that he thought would help him win big. nt

[DanTex]

24. No, Bernie still got the most votes. Comfortably.

[George II]

28. 2600 more than Buttigieg out of 170,000 (1.5%) isn't comfortably.

[ehrnst]

36. But you weren't concerned with "votes" when it came to the GE in 2016.

"I'm not really interested in the vote totals" you said, because what was important was the EC.

I like to think that I've had an influence on you, and this just isn't a double standard you have.

[Zolorp]

8. Congratulations to Mayor Pete.

And Sanders spent $50 million, TO LOSE!

[HarlanPepper]

25. yep

Iowa was a boondoggle for Bernie given the blowout predictions and expectations from his supporters.

[former9thward]

40. Just curious, How much did Biden spend To LOSE?

[Zolorp]

41. He started with less money than anybody else and fund raising has been a problem

Best answer? Not much.

[HarlanPepper]

65. Less than Bernie.

[George II]

47. And considering he kept bragging about "25,000 volunteers on the ground", with 45,000 votes....

...that calculates to less than 2 voters per volunteer. A veritable juggernaut of a ground game.

[NJCher]

58. that's not correct

you need to read up on how the delegates break out. There is no one definitive winner like you are implying. It can be said that Bernie won and Pete won, but it cannot be said that Sanders lost.

If you need help in understanding what happened, read down thread. There are some good posts that explain it.

[Zolorp]

60. The ONLY thing that matters in ANY caucus are SDEs. Any comments to the contrary are BS.

Sanders lost.

[NJCher]

61. point me to reliable source that backs you up on that statement

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see it.

Waiting....

[Zolorp]

62. Every Caucus ever.

With that, buh bye..

[NJCher]

63. yeah, just what I suspected

Who are you to make that statement? You're just some poster on the internet. You have no credibility, no authority, and quite obviously no knowledge of the situation. If you did, you'd have a source. Your claim is uninformed and unreliable. No one should take it seriously.

[elleng]

11. and AP won't/can't.

[ancianita]

12. Aren't they also going to do a recount? I thought I heard that on MSNBC.

[Legends303]

14. We might never know until after NH

but it seems Pete won less than 0.1% which anything at this point can flip it back.

[ancianita]

17. Good to know, thanks.

[radical noodle]

50. Perez told them to recount

but they said they only recount if a candidate asks for it.

[Celerity]

55. he asked for a recanvass, not a recount, big difference

What Would a ‘Recanvass’ in Iowa Look Like?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/iowa-recanvass-meaning.html

Tom Perez, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, demanded on Thursday that Iowa Democrats double-check votes from Monday’s caucuses after a meltdown in reporting results.

Mr. Perez mentioned a “recanvass.” There is also the possibility of a “recount.”

What’s the difference? In short: A recanvass involves checking the math on 1,756 precinct work sheets. A recount would require the hand-counting of about 180,000 preference cards from caucusgoers across the state and around the world.

snip

[radical noodle]

57. Yes, my bad!

You're right it was recanvass. I heard on the news that they wouldn't do it unless a candidate asked, but I see nothing wrong with checking math. In fact, I think math should always be checked particularly if it's as complicated as the caucus math.

[Celerity]

59. +100000

[bluewater]

18. 1.5 delegates out of 1765 total for the 0.085% WIN!

That's a 0.085% win!

Congratulations to Pete and his supporters and good luck going forward.




Hey, I wish MY candidate won by 0.085% instead of coming in third. lol

In other news, frontrunner Joe Biden still a distant 4th.

[HarlanPepper]

43. Who is your candidate?

[radical noodle]

52. Elizabeth Warren could do well in NH

with progressive voters. I think she'd make a better candidate in the GE than sanders would. She has better plans than sanders, too.

[krissey]

19. Yea, Buttigieg won.

[Blue Owl]

20. Well done, sir!

[Johnny2X2X]

22. Cool. Be done with it.

Every candidate should want to move on. The party should want to move on. The voters should want to move on.

It’s not a winner take all system. We’re literally going through all of this embarrassment for maybe 1 delegate that will mean nothing in a few weeks.

[HarlanPepper]

23. ...

[still_one]

26. Good!!! Looks like another campaign was a little premature in their classless announcement

[greenjar_01]

27. Bernie and Pete fans going to be debating this shit while the Trump Militias march them to the

shooting pits.

[radical noodle]

56. Nah, this Pete supporter is moving on

[HarlanPepper]

30. Yeah, it's the Clintons.

[msongs]

32. poor bernie the whole world is out to get him nt

[Scurrilous]

33. To the Revolution.

[HarlanPepper]

34. Snort

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

31. Over half need to drop out

Now

[StevieM]

38. They will the day after the New Hampshire primary.

There will probably be only 5 candidates going on to Nevada, 6 if you count Bloomberg, who won't be campaigning there.

The remaining candidates after New Hampshire will likely be Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Sanders, Steyer and Warren.

[Politicub]

37. K&r

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Don't get these #s. Like Bloomberg got 2 tenths of a delegate?

[Garrett78]

48. There are 3 different types of delegates. County, state and national. In terms of the nomination...

...the national/pledged delegates, of which there are 41 from Iowa, are what matter. Nobody will get a fraction of a delegate. Sanders and Buttigieg will each end up with 12-14, Warren maybe 7-9, Biden 3-5 and Klobuchar 1.

The Iowa Caucus process is always ridiculous, but it's especially so this year (and not just because of the fiasco). Contrary to what many posters have said, there are, in fact, 2 winners. Like it or not, the agreement this time around was for there to be 3 results. The pre-alignment vote total (won by Sanders), the final vote total (won by Sanders) and the state delegate equivalents (won by Buttigieg). This is all assuming they don't do a total recount and come up with different results.

It's not hard to understand why there's so much confusion regarding the results and what they mean, and that would be true even if the process had gone smoothly.

Anyway, caucuses should be banned. Many people are not able or willing to take part in a long and public spectacle.

[SunSeeker]

44. Congratulations!

[Garrett78]

46. There are 3 results reported this year, so there are actually 2 winners.

There's the pre-alignment vote total (Sanders), the final vote total (Sanders by a narrower margin) and the state delegate equivalents (Buttigieg).

It's screwy, I know, but that was what was agreed to for this year's Iowa Caucus.

In terms of the nomination, what matters are the 41 pledged (national) delegates. Not the county convention delegates or the state delegates.

[amuse bouche]

51. This is fantastic. I hope it's just the beginning

He is such a breath of fresh air

[AverageJoe]

53. Congratulations:-)

On to New Hampshire!

And remember, when the time comes, Vote Blue — No Matter Who!

[bhikkhu]

64. Personally, I like them both

and find it pretty early to not simply be happy that two very good choices are doing well. I'd have liked Warren to do better, but I'm happy for Mayor Pete.

[Fresh_Start]

67. Pete no federal political experience understands how caucuses work

BS with 30 years, still doesn't understand.

Hmmm who would you want to trust with complex decisions at the international level?

[Nanjeanne]

69. Not delegates. SDEs and results now show they are one tenth of one % apart

Simply put, SDEs are not delegates. But with some math, SDEs are converted to the proportional amount of delegates a candidate gets in each precinct.

They will likely get the same number of actual delegates.

[bluewater]

70. I think the Winner in Iowa gets a 1 national delegate freebie for winning the caucus.

So Pete might be +1 in final delegates even though the results are virtually identical, if that is true.

[Nanjeanne]

71. Maybe. Don't know and it's such a clusterfuck we may not know for a long time!