The truth only matters when convenient

[bluesxtreme]

I am 100% skeptical of these results because one error could literally change the outcome of this result and it seems both msnbc and nytimes recognize there are errors plain as day on the IDP website.

I get I have a bone to pick to pick because of my candidate of choice but one day it may be your turn to question results.

They totally botched this caucus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/nbc-news-review-iowa-caucus-vote-finds-potential-errors-inconsistencies-n1132011

https://apnews.com/4f9044fe46f551d397d48dd8ca3d58db

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/upshot/iowa-caucuses-errors-results.html?0p19G=2870

[DanTex]

1. Wouldn't worry about it, Bernie won, he clearly got more votes.

If the media decides to go with the "Bernie got the most votes but he didn't win" line, it will really just feed Bernie's argument that the system is broken.

[squirecam]

2. That is not the standard

Nt

[DanTex]

3. And the more the media tries to convince people that votes matter less than

"state delegate equivalents", the more absurd the whole thing will look.

Think about it. The app crashes, it takes days to do the count, the spreadsheets have inconsistencies in them, and at the end of it all the non-establishment candidate gets the most votes but he's not the "winner." Right.

[squirecam]

4. That is not the way the caucus works

Votes and results may have been different had it been a primary instead of a limited unrepresentative caucus. So no, votes don’t matter. It’s delegates.

If you want to change the metric to have the most votes be the winner, then change it to a primary. Don’t change it to the most votes, but only if you have 4 hours to dedicate to sitting around and talking.

[DanTex]

5. The "votes don't matter" argument plays right into Bernie's campaign theme of a

broken political system.

[squirecam]

6. Yes the Iowa caucuses

Shows that they are indeed broken. Unrepresentative and time consuming.

Primaries are the way to go.