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highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:00 PM Feb 2020

I expect tomorrow night's debate to focus on how Sanders will pay for his promises

and get those promised policies through Congress.

And I expect both the moderators and his rival candidates to go after him on this.

Warren -- if she wants to have any chance of leading the left wing of the party, taking that perceived role away from Sanders -- needs to go after Sanders on this as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I expect tomorrow night's debate to focus on how Sanders will pay for his promises (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2020 OP
I'm thinking they may go after Mayor Pete tiredtoo Feb 2020 #1
Pete won by 1/10 of 1% on delegates. It's effectively a tie, and Sanders is more of a threat highplainsdem Feb 2020 #2
What I really like about Pete FreeState Feb 2020 #5
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #7
Yes he is wonderful and I love his put downs. But black folks ain't feeling him and I don't see him UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #13
I'm not buying that FreeState Feb 2020 #21
I don't want to hear about the 5 black people in Iowa ...we need to see what happens in a UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #25
Wow FreeState Feb 2020 #28
I see that went right over your head. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #29
Apparently FreeState Feb 2020 #31
Except you didn't get the point at all. So your lagging behind a bit. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #33
While I understand the point you were trying to make squirecam Feb 2020 #30
Thanks for at least 'getting it' but I didn't say anything wrong. Point made...in your opinion UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #32
Excuse me ...I'll vote for anyone who I think can win. I'm not married to Biden....I'll switch in a UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #35
I like Pete. Pete is in low single digits with POC in SC redstateblues Feb 2020 #89
That may take a while. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #3
Seems likely relayerbob Feb 2020 #4
Maybe, but I doubt it would hurt Bernie's support. DanTex Feb 2020 #6
She didn't attack Bernie - she was defending herself from the rhetoric blm Feb 2020 #15
Well, that was a very odd line of "defense" which obviously backfired. DanTex Feb 2020 #19
Because his supporters can't see him as ever having misstepped blm Feb 2020 #22
Denmark is not a socialist country, no matter how many times Sanders claims otherwise. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #17
Bernie isn't proposing literal "socialism", the policies he talks about are DanTex Feb 2020 #23
Why has he embraced the Democratic Socialist dictators Maduro and Morales? OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #42
Again, have fun with all that. It's not going to hurt him. Really not. DanTex Feb 2020 #48
Calling Social Security "socialism" is a right-wing talking point. It just ain't so. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #64
Right. So is "Venezuela", it's Megan McCain's favorite. DanTex Feb 2020 #70
Don't you dare try to lump me in with Megan McCain. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #72
You're making the Megan McCain argument. There's a reason it doesn't work. DanTex Feb 2020 #74
Well bless your heart, "Dan." OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #77
So true... it just makes Bernie STRONGER!!!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #81
Democratic socialism and social democracy aren't the same thing. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #45
Sure, but nobody cares about the terminology. DanTex Feb 2020 #51
You are kidding yourself. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #68
No, I'm really not. People really don't care about the dictionary definition of "socialism". DanTex Feb 2020 #76
Not a "dictionary definition, " but the correct and accurate OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #78
Again, avoiding policies and arguing terminology, proving my point. DanTex Feb 2020 #79
So true Dan... they're just proving your point!! Touche!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #83
Tell us the fairy-tale about the BeRNie suRgE!!! again. Pwetty pwease? LanternWaste Feb 2020 #97
The Socialist moniker is a GE loser that will give us 4 more. redstateblues Feb 2020 #92
Socialism brings to mind Union of Soviet Socialist Republics redstateblues Feb 2020 #95
THIS +1,000!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #82
He doesn't say he is Social Democrat. He calls himself a Democratic Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #90
Instead of Free College, ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #96
Warren is unlikely to attack Bernie directly squirecam Feb 2020 #8
Yes, Biden can't just stand there and let others take the debate to him. Blue_true Feb 2020 #16
I don't expect him to. But I do think it would help Warren at this point to distinguish herself highplainsdem Feb 2020 #52
How will Warren pay for her promises? former9thward Feb 2020 #9
She laid that out two plus months ago. Blue_true Feb 2020 #18
I want to hear him discuss the kind of person for VP. I want to know if it will be a Democrat. krissey Feb 2020 #10
What if it's Tulsi? squirecam Feb 2020 #11
Horseshyt. Biden and Pete had no problem attacking Warren for 3mths straight, blm Feb 2020 #12
Biden has no choice squirecam Feb 2020 #14
Biden supporters are doing it tonight, pitting women against women with Warren campaign krissey Feb 2020 #20
There is no evidence that the NV women squirecam Feb 2020 #26
But they sure are using it to go after Warren. Not a single one has put up Warren statement. krissey Feb 2020 #46
Glad they still support her. I think Warren will take any responsibility for their leaving because emmaverybo Feb 2020 #34
Of course Warren takes responsibility. Now that she has heard, already has a statement out. krissey Feb 2020 #49
I am arguing only that no male candidate did the pitting alleged here. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #86
I don't understand how Elizabeth Warren can be blamed for that Nevada thing. It's ridiculous. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #38
Because the Biden people I see egging this fight on have spent the last couple months krissey Feb 2020 #53
And where is all this egging on going on? In real life or online? This is the first I'm hearing of UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #56
A couple sites on line. And I really need to mellow out. Lol krissey Feb 2020 #61
Well, at least you left accusations of "evil" and "hatred" out of this post. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #24
No, you want her to take the heat so Joe doesn't. And, based on the months of blm Feb 2020 #40
You are inventing "attacks" that never happened. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #44
They did. Google Biden attacks Warren and see there are 3mths blm Feb 2020 #50
Totally like gaslighting. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #58
She said the wrong primary. And WHAT was that in response to? blm Feb 2020 #62
A legitimate policy difference over the cost of MFA. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #71
Dishonest is not personal? Conning folks like Trump is not personal? blm Feb 2020 #73
He did no such thing. He questioned the wisdom of her support of the MFA... OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #75
Gee. Why did Joe and Pete focus fire on her INSTEAD of Sanders if blm Feb 2020 #80
Because she unwisely put out the numbers of what MFA would cost... OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #84
Check the dates on the articles. They attacked BEFORE she blm Feb 2020 #87
No "attacks." Pure inventions on your part. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #88
Yeah. I wrote every headline and report. You got me. blm Feb 2020 #91
Oh wow! Really scathing "attacks." OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #93
What nonsense. I said I expect both the moderators and rival candidates to go after Sanders. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #47
Play it any way you need to pretend Biden camp acted benignly. blm Feb 2020 #57
I'm not the one misinterpreting things here, blm. But why don't you post an OP to vent some of highplainsdem Feb 2020 #60
I post straight up all the time. I predicted months ago blm Feb 2020 #65
Sigh. So I guess the media questioning Warren earlier were part of the Biden and Buttigieg camps. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #67
No campaign effort to smear Warren? blm Feb 2020 #94
That pact she made with him is a double-edged sword. He hasn't held up his part. Yes, now she emmaverybo Feb 2020 #43
Thanks! And yes, that non-aggression pact helped only Sanders. His surrogates never paid attention highplainsdem Feb 2020 #55
They should. Enough free passes for Bernie still_one Feb 2020 #27
Bernie needs to be vetted calguy Feb 2020 #36
He sure does, and that includes his past still_one Feb 2020 #41
This is true because I didn't even know about quite a few things in his background that I UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #54
What's alternative? We all know the repubs will spend the money on war and more anyway, like... JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #37
. democratisphere Feb 2020 #39
Are you laughing at my guess as to what will be the focus of the debate, or laughing at the thought highplainsdem Feb 2020 #63
ONLY the latter. democratisphere Feb 2020 #66
Thanks! And I can see why you call Sanders' ideas voodoo economics. I call it magical mystery highplainsdem Feb 2020 #69
Now that Sanders is widely considered the frontrunner I expect the same. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #59
Bernie Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record Gothmog Feb 2020 #85
If so, I hope every candidate has to answer that question. After all, opening up a public option Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #98
 

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
1. I'm thinking they may go after Mayor Pete
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:03 PM
Feb 2020

He appears to have won Iowa.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
2. Pete won by 1/10 of 1% on delegates. It's effectively a tie, and Sanders is more of a threat
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:07 PM
Feb 2020

to the other candidates because Buttigieg isn't polling all that well in Nevada and SC.

Buttigieg in particular will be going after Sanders.

But I expect to see moderator questions about the costs of Sanders' promises and how little chance he has of delivering on them.

Warren got more questions about this sort of thing earlier simply because she was doing better than Sanders.

Now it's Sanders' turn in the barrel.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
5. What I really like about Pete
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:12 PM
Feb 2020

Is he is very similar to Obama in how he handles people. I believe he has the right strategy and outlook to bring people together - even when attacked.

https://peteforamerica.com/rules-of-the-road/

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
13. Yes he is wonderful and I love his put downs. But black folks ain't feeling him and I don't see him
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:41 PM
Feb 2020

getting an injection of soul anytime soon.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
21. I'm not buying that
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:51 PM
Feb 2020

Pete got more people of color voting for him than Biden in Iowa (Pete came in second after Bernie and Joe was 3rd). The more people know him the more they like him. Biden has a lot of POC support because they know him and like him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
25. I don't want to hear about the 5 black people in Iowa ...we need to see what happens in a
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020

state with some actual population.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
29. I see that went right over your head. nt
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:57 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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FreeState

(10,570 posts)
31. Apparently
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:58 PM
Feb 2020

I agree with the poster below.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
33. Except you didn't get the point at all. So your lagging behind a bit. nt
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:00 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
30. While I understand the point you were trying to make
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:57 PM
Feb 2020

You made it very poorly.

I’d delete that post.

The Biden supporters are starting to get the rep of the Sanders supporters. That isn’t good. Biden had a poor showing and you all are lashing out. It’s not helpful.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
32. Thanks for at least 'getting it' but I didn't say anything wrong. Point made...in your opinion
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:59 PM
Feb 2020

poorly, but made none the less.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
35. Excuse me ...I'll vote for anyone who I think can win. I'm not married to Biden....I'll switch in a
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

minute. Please explain how I "lashed out" ...by saying Pete does not have black folks support? That's the truth - so far. If you read my first post I started out saying I love Pete.

You got the wrong one with this nonsense.

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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
89. I like Pete. Pete is in low single digits with POC in SC
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:45 AM
Feb 2020
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. Maybe, but I doubt it would hurt Bernie's support.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:14 PM
Feb 2020

Warren already tried attacking Bernie, about their private conversation. What happened? She went down in the polls and he went up.

Bernie's supporters like his vision, and they already know all the attacks against him. The socialism stuff, the unicorns stuff, the Bernie Bro stuff, it's all been said over and over.

People aren't dumb, they know the policies Bernie describes work in many countries all over the world. Is Denmark Venezuela? No. Is Canada bankrupt from single payer? No. The reason we don't have them in the US isn't lack of spreadsheets, it's lack of political will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
15. She didn't attack Bernie - she was defending herself from the rhetoric
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:44 PM
Feb 2020

his volunteers were instructed to use to diminish her candidacy when canvassing for Bernie. Or did you just forget that happened first?

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. Well, that was a very odd line of "defense" which obviously backfired.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:48 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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blm

(113,019 posts)
22. Because his supporters can't see him as ever having misstepped
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020

So Warren had to be deemed a lying bitch and drawn and quartered. Because no way did Bernie misstep.

Yeah...I was delivered that message repeatedly by the hashtag crowd.

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OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
17. Denmark is not a socialist country, no matter how many times Sanders claims otherwise.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:46 PM
Feb 2020

It simply isn't so.

In contrast Venezuela is a democratic socialist country and one of those praised on Sanders website (along with Morale's Bolivia) as models for the New American Dream.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
23. Bernie isn't proposing literal "socialism", the policies he talks about are
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020

technically "Social Democracy". Free college, single payer, and so on.

That's the challenge for people trying to attack him. His actual policies are not only popular, but they are also effectively implemented all over the world. It's hard to make a case against them, which is why people resort to the Venezuela nonsense.

And people who support Bernie already know this, so it doesn't hurt his level of support. You can try if you want. Go find a bunch of Bernie supporters and say Venezuela really loudly over and over again and see what happens.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
42. Why has he embraced the Democratic Socialist dictators Maduro and Morales?
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:06 AM
Feb 2020

Why does his website post claims these states are role models for the New American Dream?

If what he's proposing is "Social Democracy" why doesn't he say so? He doesn't.

Instead he advocates for Democratic Socialism, which is a very far cry from Social Democracy.

Social Democracies are built on an embrace of capitalism. They are not socialist states.

Sanders himself differentiated himself from Elizabeth Warren by saying she's a "capitalist to her bones" (a description she embraces herself) while he is not.

Sanders is a veteran of the Socialist Workers Party.

If these things make Sanders popular with his followers...



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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
48. Again, have fun with all that. It's not going to hurt him. Really not.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:17 AM
Feb 2020

Sure, technically he should be calling himself a "Social Democrat" instead of a "Democratic Socialist" but this is something nobody cares about, particularly since there are a million different meanings people attribute to the word "socialism". Some people think Social Security is "socialism."

Sanders is popular because he is pushing for a more equitable and just society. That's the reason. He's not going to lose support because you or anyone else tries to accuse him of wanting to be a dictator. And you can insult his supporters too, if you want, but that's not going to hurt his support either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
64. Calling Social Security "socialism" is a right-wing talking point. It just ain't so.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:38 AM
Feb 2020

Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution.

If you think Sanders embrace of socialism doesn't matter to anyone, you are kidding yourself.

Which socialist state is "equitable and just?"

Because there are no positive examples, Sanders points to Social Democracies that are not socialist states, but which--in fact--have advanced capitalist economies.


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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
70. Right. So is "Venezuela", it's Megan McCain's favorite.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:46 AM
Feb 2020

That's the whole problem with your and Megan McCain's Venezuela attack. You can talk about the means of production all you want, but Bernie's talking about free college and single payer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
72. Don't you dare try to lump me in with Megan McCain.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:50 AM
Feb 2020


Sanders is the person who praised Venezuela on his website as a model for the New American Dream, not me.

Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. That's basic political science.

Socialism is not Denmark or Social Security, or a society having roads and libraries.

Come on, man.
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
74. You're making the Megan McCain argument. There's a reason it doesn't work.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:58 AM
Feb 2020

You're arguing about the definition of the word "socialism", while Bernie is proposing policies that will help millions of Americans, and that are popular with voters.

Single payer, free college. You're the one talking about the means of production, not Bernie. Not just you, but Bernie's critics in general. And that's why, when he gets attacked like that, his numbers go up, not down.

Like I said, try it. Go talk to Bernie voters about Venezuela and the means of production, and see how well it goes.

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OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
77. Well bless your heart, "Dan."
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:02 AM
Feb 2020

I'm beginning to suspect whose arguments you are making.

Have a nice life.





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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
81. So true... it just makes Bernie STRONGER!!!!!!!
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:13 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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TwilightZone

(25,430 posts)
45. Democratic socialism and social democracy aren't the same thing.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:11 AM
Feb 2020
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
51. Sure, but nobody cares about the terminology.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:18 AM
Feb 2020

Technically, he should call himself a Social Democrat instead, because that's the policy agenda he's for, but if anyone thinks this is the "gotcha" that's going to get his supporters fleeing, they are deluding themselves.

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OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
68. You are kidding yourself.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:44 AM
Feb 2020

Democrats care very much about the differences between living in liberal state with a capitalist economy that has generous social programs vs living in a socialist state.



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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
76. No, I'm really not. People really don't care about the dictionary definition of "socialism".
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:01 AM
Feb 2020

They really don't care about whether Bernie is technically a Social Democrat or a Democratic Socialist. The terminology is only important to you.

Bernie proposes policies that will help millions of people and are widely popular. That's why he has so much support. The fact that you're not even trying to attack his policies, you're just arguing about the definition of "socialism" proves the point.

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OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
78. Not a "dictionary definition, " but the correct and accurate
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:05 AM
Feb 2020

political science meaning of the term.

If you think that liberal Democrats will embrace Democratic Socialism in mass, you are kidding yourself.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
79. Again, avoiding policies and arguing terminology, proving my point.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:08 AM
Feb 2020

This isn't a political science seminar, voters don't care about the "correct and accurate political science" difference between Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy.

They care about policies that will improve their lives. Bernie offers them. It's not that complicated.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
83. So true Dan... they're just proving your point!! Touche!!
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:16 AM
Feb 2020



Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. Tell us the fairy-tale about the BeRNie suRgE!!! again. Pwetty pwease?
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:32 PM
Feb 2020

Proving one's point, indeed.

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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
92. The Socialist moniker is a GE loser that will give us 4 more.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:59 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
95. Socialism brings to mind Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:06 AM
Feb 2020

How well did that work? It’s a very toxic word especially paired with Bernie’s promise to raise taxes

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
82. THIS +1,000!!!!
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:14 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
90. He doesn't say he is Social Democrat. He calls himself a Democratic Socialist
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:50 AM
Feb 2020

That is a GE loser.

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ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
96. Instead of Free College,
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 04:29 AM
Feb 2020

Can I get a payout at the same rate as those that receive the Free College? I would like to start a small business with the money.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
8. Warren is unlikely to attack Bernie directly
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:17 PM
Feb 2020

She’s going to let Biden do it. It’s obvious that Biden needs a strong debate performance tomorrow.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. Yes, Biden can't just stand there and let others take the debate to him.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:45 PM
Feb 2020

Win or lose, he needs to call out Sanders in particular.

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highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
52. I don't expect him to. But I do think it would help Warren at this point to distinguish herself
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:19 AM
Feb 2020

from Sanders.

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former9thward

(31,949 posts)
9. How will Warren pay for her promises?
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:20 PM
Feb 2020
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. She laid that out two plus months ago.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:47 PM
Feb 2020

Go to her site, she has a dollar amount, how to pay for it and an implementation plan. She is very unlike Sanders, who is making lots of promises, but is not putting details behind them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
10. I want to hear him discuss the kind of person for VP. I want to know if it will be a Democrat.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
11. What if it's Tulsi?
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:38 PM
Feb 2020

Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
12. Horseshyt. Biden and Pete had no problem attacking Warren for 3mths straight,
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:40 PM
Feb 2020

as they laid off Sanders during that time after his heart attack.

If Joe and Pete can attack a female candidate for 3 months straight, surely they can muster the strength to take on Sanders themselves.

You have no credible right to demand any type of performance from Warren You all dragged her into the mud when she had no desire to be part of it. She cared about crafting policy not crafting political attacks on other Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
14. Biden has no choice
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:41 PM
Feb 2020

He needs a strong performance. He will do it himself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
20. Biden supporters are doing it tonight, pitting women against women with Warren campaign
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:49 PM
Feb 2020

in Nv. It amazes me Sanders gets away with harassment and inequality in his campaign, Joe just being Joe and they are all over Nv. Warren put out an excellent statement. The women say they still support Warren. Warren has the question in her town hall and gave a great, heartfelt answer. And these guys? Nothing. Just pitting one group of women against another and we allow it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
26. There is no evidence that the NV women
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:54 PM
Feb 2020

Came out due to Biden. They came out to change the behavior.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
46. But they sure are using it to go after Warren. Not a single one has put up Warren statement.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:14 AM
Feb 2020

Or the women saying they get it, they still support Warren, they will continue to campaign for her and vote for her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
34. Glad they still support her. I think Warren will take any responsibility for their leaving because
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:02 AM
Feb 2020

she’s stand up. Male candidates are not pitting women against women. If one of them exploits the situation, that’s different. Maybe I missed something.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
49. Of course Warren takes responsibility. Now that she has heard, already has a statement out.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:17 AM
Feb 2020

She has put the time into this issue over and over and over again. And does it willingly, and with effort to be forefront in this effort. Warren immediately took responsibility and addressed the issue perfectly.

I am seeing no other man, candidate, having to defend their position with WOC like a fellow woman. And, she is on board with doing it making herself a better person, to be a better president for all. She had a question at her town hall, and gave a heartfelt answer addressing this very thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
86. I am arguing only that no male candidate did the pitting alleged here.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:29 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
38. I don't understand how Elizabeth Warren can be blamed for that Nevada thing. It's ridiculous. nt
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:04 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
53. Because the Biden people I see egging this fight on have spent the last couple months
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:20 AM
Feb 2020

creating division between women of color and white women. While Joe is just being Joe. As a woman, it is old and tiring and enough.

They started with Harris, who got on well with Warren, blaming Warren for all of Harris woes, while supporters created a lot of Harris's issues when she dared to challenge Biden segregation issue a couple months ago.

It is just wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
56. And where is all this egging on going on? In real life or online? This is the first I'm hearing of
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:23 AM
Feb 2020

this trying to create division between black and white women. I guess I missed it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
61. A couple sites on line. And I really need to mellow out. Lol
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:31 AM
Feb 2020

Just Warren has been addressing this issue and has put in a lot of time, and to see her pounced on is wrong. I totally respect the women that spoke up in Nevada. But more, I respect the fact that they later came out to say, they still support her and will work campaigning for her. I would like to accumulate a number of conversations. Warren in townhall today, her statement about the situation and the women in Nevada.

It is all very interesting and good as a whole and a conversation to be held.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
24. Well, at least you left accusations of "evil" and "hatred" out of this post.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:53 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287446379#post6

But you're off the mark again in blaming Biden and Buttigieg for Warren slipping in the polls.

You're also off the mark in suggesting

1) that I was "demanding" anything of Warren (suggest you try reading more carefully), and

2) that I have "no credible right" to comment on what Warren should do tomorrow night.

You're not the only person with rights here, blm, though it sometimes seems you think that's the case, given the ridiculous rhetoic you use attacking Biden supporters.

I'm not "demanding" anything of Warren.

I'm pointing out what she needs to do if she hopes to start rising in the polls.

Sanders' surrogates and supporters have been going after her for months.

It would help her to distinguish herself from Sanders and make it clear her plans are more workable.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
40. No, you want her to take the heat so Joe doesn't. And, based on the months of
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:05 AM
Feb 2020

Biden camp attacks on her for 3 months straight while laying off Sanders, I think you must be smoking some evil weed to make such a transparent demand of Warren now.

I HATE when shortsighted political cynicism leads to the manipulation of fellow party members.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
44. You are inventing "attacks" that never happened.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:09 AM
Feb 2020

Good grief.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
50. They did. Google Biden attacks Warren and see there are 3mths
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:17 AM
Feb 2020

of headlines.

Every time they were posted here by his more gleeful supporters I fought back as they defended him.

Now you want to come here and say the attacks never happened. Kinda gaslightish, isn’t it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
58. Totally like gaslighting.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:29 AM
Feb 2020

I remember Biden being told he was running in the wrong party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
62. She said the wrong primary. And WHAT was that in response to?
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:33 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
71. A legitimate policy difference over the cost of MFA.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:47 AM
Feb 2020

Having difference in policy are NOT personal attacks.

Nice try anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
73. Dishonest is not personal? Conning folks like Trump is not personal?
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

He attacked her credibility, her character, and her demeanor. And he knew he was being dishonest about these attacks because she is the person HE wanted to run with in 2016 when he wanted to run.

'Elitist': Biden steps up attacks on Warren
The former VP is looking to stoke resentment among working class voters by casting Warren as a snooty Harvard professor.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/06/joe-biden-calls-warren-elitist-066637

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/us/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-2020/index.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
75. He did no such thing. He questioned the wisdom of her support of the MFA...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:00 AM
Feb 2020

as did the American people.

Her support among Democrats plunged due to her blunder of backing Bernie's plan.

It was a disastrous self-inflicted error. Her fault alone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
80. Gee. Why did Joe and Pete focus fire on her INSTEAD of Sanders if
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:09 AM
Feb 2020

it was only about Med 4 All policy difference?

You can’t admit that the camps made a cynical political move to focus attacks on Warren and her integrity to bring her numbers down as they laid off Sanders because they thought he wouldn’t recover enough to endure a full campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
84. Because she unwisely put out the numbers of what MFA would cost...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:20 AM
Feb 2020

while Sanders played rope-a-dope.

That was her mistake. Had Warren in that debate said that her long term goal was single payer, but recognized there are many paths to that goal (including a public option), she'd likely be leading the field at this moment.

Up until the blunder, she'd run a nearly perfect campaign. Not Joe's fault or Pete's fault that she screwed up.

I wish she was running stronger. I'd happily vote for her. She blew it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
87. Check the dates on the articles. They attacked BEFORE she
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:30 AM
Feb 2020

put out the numbers. And after the camp’s quoted Conservative analysis instead of guys like Krugman who said her plan and numbers passed the test.

Revisionism doesn’t work with me.

Try reading and noting the timeline. Their attacks on her credibility mattered. And both of them knew they were being dishonest in their attacks on her but were too selfish to restrain themselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
88. No "attacks." Pure inventions on your part.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:37 AM
Feb 2020

Questioning the costs of policies are not "attacks."

I see you repeat his again and again, but it doesn't change the facts.

Elizabeth Warren shot herself in the foot by embracing Bernie's plan. That was a huge blunder.

I wish she'd positioned herself differently. She had a record of supporting "many paths" and had she taken that tack she'd be fighting for a top spot. I wish that had happened.

Her mistake.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
91. Yeah. I wrote every headline and report. You got me.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:52 AM
Feb 2020

Now I am exposed for using aliases to write my invented attack story for Politico, CNN, NYT, WaPo, and a few other news organizations. I’ll recall all their names when I gather paystubs for my taxes.


Here’s another - I used 2 aliases here to plant an invented story.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/06/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-elitist/index.html

(CNN)Joe Biden said Elizabeth Warren has an "elitist attitude" in a radio interview. He wrote on Medium that the Massachusetts senator is "condescending." He told donors her 2020 Democratic campaign is based on a "my-way-or-the-highway attitude."

And he told reporters on Wednesday that Warren was the one who started it.
The former vice president has sharply escalated his attacks on Warren in recent days, shifting from dismissing Warren's policy ideas as unrealistic to a more personal attack on the former Harvard professor. Three months from the Iowa caucuses, Biden's new approach reflects a new phase in the 2020 primary, with Democratic candidates sharpening their criticism of their foes and drawing more distinctions.

The campaign is reframing its critiques of Warren, a source close to Biden's campaign told CNN. It is no longer that "she is a liar," the source said.
"It's 'Warren is a smarty britches who thinks if you don't agree with her, you're an idiot,'" the source said in describing Biden's new approach.
.......

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
93. Oh wow! Really scathing "attacks."
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:02 AM
Feb 2020

Seriously?

Warren's collapse was of her own making. I wish she'd avoided her blunder.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
47. What nonsense. I said I expect both the moderators and rival candidates to go after Sanders.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:16 AM
Feb 2020

And you're exaggerating, again, just how much the Biden camp went after Warren.

She was already being pressured by the media to explain how she'd fund MFA by last summer. Her supporters thought she could get away with dodging the question, but she finally had to lay out a detailed plan.

As for why she was getting more questions than Sanders from the media and her rivals last fall, I suggest you look at RCP's polling averages, the graph on this page:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
57. Play it any way you need to pretend Biden camp acted benignly.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:25 AM
Feb 2020

What I witnessed was dishonest attacks on Warren’s character and integrity and for the sole purpose of tearing her down to glorify themselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
60. I'm not the one misinterpreting things here, blm. But why don't you post an OP to vent some of
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:31 AM
Feb 2020

the bitterness you obviously feel about the Biden campaign? Maybe that would help you feel better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
65. I post straight up all the time. I predicted months ago
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

while it was happening that Sanders would benefit from the cynical targeting of Warren by Joe and Pete camps.

And I am being proven right.

And I wish I was being proven wrong.

Fini

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
67. Sigh. So I guess the media questioning Warren earlier were part of the Biden and Buttigieg camps.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:42 AM
Feb 2020

Okay...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
94. No campaign effort to smear Warren?
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:04 AM
Feb 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/06/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-elitist/index.html

(CNN)Joe Biden said Elizabeth Warren has an "elitist attitude" in a radio interview. He wrote on Medium that the Massachusetts senator is "condescending." He told donors her 2020 Democratic campaign is based on a "my-way-or-the-highway attitude."

And he told reporters on Wednesday that Warren was the one who started it.

The former vice president has sharply escalated his attacks on Warren in recent days, shifting from dismissing Warren's policy ideas as unrealistic to a more personal attack on the former Harvard professor. Three months from the Iowa caucuses, Biden's new approach reflects a new phase in the 2020 primary, with Democratic candidates sharpening their criticism of their foes and drawing more distinctions.

The campaign is reframing its critiques of Warren, a source close to Biden's campaign told CNN. It is no longer that "she is a liar," the source said.
"It's 'Warren is a smarty britches who thinks if you don't agree with her, you're an idiot,'" the source said in describing Biden's new approach.
.......
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
43. That pact she made with him is a double-edged sword. He hasn't held up his part. Yes, now she
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:07 AM
Feb 2020

needs to make clear that she’s not with Bernie.

Totally agree with remarks in response to post.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
55. Thanks! And yes, that non-aggression pact helped only Sanders. His surrogates never paid attention
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:21 AM
Feb 2020

to it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,061 posts)
27. They should. Enough free passes for Bernie
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calguy

(5,295 posts)
36. Bernie needs to be vetted
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

And vetted hard. The stakes are too high.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,061 posts)
41. He sure does, and that includes his past
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:06 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
54. This is true because I didn't even know about quite a few things in his background that I
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:21 AM
Feb 2020

found out just recently. The corrupt GOP will have a field day bringing all his baggage to light....and it ain't pretty.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
37. What's alternative? We all know the repubs will spend the money on war and more anyway, like...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

...tax cuts.

What makes anyone think that Bernie is unrealistic, when we trumpers just burned a few trill in tax cuts?

At this point no one is talking about paying to prepare for war in space. Why not spend it here on earth?

On us for a change!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
63. Are you laughing at my guess as to what will be the focus of the debate, or laughing at the thought
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:34 AM
Feb 2020

of Sanders' answers?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
66. ONLY the latter.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:42 AM
Feb 2020

Voodoo economics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,921 posts)
69. Thanks! And I can see why you call Sanders' ideas voodoo economics. I call it magical mystery
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:44 AM
Feb 2020

economics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
59. Now that Sanders is widely considered the frontrunner I expect the same.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:30 AM
Feb 2020

Biden faced tough questioning as well but I don't think it ever turned into an entire debate with all arrows pointed at him. We'll see shortly what happens in Sanders case.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
85. Bernie Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:20 AM
Feb 2020



Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton.

Sanders' plan would also increase the size of government far more than any modern Republican president, including Ronald Reagan, has sought to cut it, Summers' analysis concluded.

"On the spending side, ... this is far more radical than all previous presidencies, on either the right or the left," Summers said in an interview. "The Sanders spending increase is roughly 2.5 times the size of the New Deal and the estimated fiscal impact of George McGovern's campaign proposals. This is six times as large of a growth of government than any of the Ronald Reagan dismemberments. We are in a kind of new era of radical proposal."

Exact cost projections on all of Sanders' proposals aren't available, in part because he hasn't fully fleshed out some of the ideas he's embraced (such as universal pre-K and child care). But a wide variety of estimates put the likely cost of the single-payer health care plan he has endorsed around $30 trillion or more over the next decade. Depending on the estimates used, including projections from his own campaign, the other elements of the Sanders agenda -- ranging from his "Green New Deal" to the cancellation of all student debt to a guaranteed federal jobs program that has received almost no scrutiny -- could cost about as much, or even more than, the single-payer plan. That would potentially bring his 10-year total for new spending to around $60 trillion, or more.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
98. If so, I hope every candidate has to answer that question. After all, opening up a public option
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:47 PM
Feb 2020

costs money too and has to be paid for. And subsidies to pay for private insurance when someone's income falls short comes from taxpayers money so candidates who advocate for that should also disclose how they plan to pay and how much money from taxpayers go for those subsidies to go to uber-profitable private health insurance companies. I would also expect that every candidate answers how they pay for all their promises in detail and how they expect to get any of their proposals through Congress. Of course, any candidate that will be putting "entitlements" on the table will have no problem getting that "compromise" through with Republicans - but I do hope that the moderators ask every candidate about that.

Not sure why Sanders needs to answer questions that no other candidate has to. Everyone's plans (even more incremental ones) cost money.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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