Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie draws more Independents, so...
How do people figure he will do so disastrously in the GE unless they are expecting that Democratic voters will not vote for him?
The whole thing is so ironic since it is that unwillingness to support the Dem candidate that he and his supporters are most frequently attacked for.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,371 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Depending on which DU poster you listen to, Bernie can't get votes from..
AA voters
Latino voters
Independents
Hillary supporters
Urban voters
Rural voters
Rust belt voters
Senior voters
I'm probably forgetting some, but basically if you believed everything you read here the Senator's entire voting base would be six white people in Vermont passing around a copy of Mao's Red Book.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)The key to understanding anti-Bernie tripe is to realize that very little of it is good-faith arguments. They're just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks. It's been that way since 2016.
The reason why they hate Bernie is that he isn't part of the "in group", cannot be bought, and will probably make life uncomfortable for some people with money.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I seem to be earning only juvenile emoticons.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But yeah... we earn what we earn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Answers to all his grand visions healthcare for all being first on list
All I ever see is it's a movement, hell Bernie doesn't even know how he's going to pay for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)No logical answer just a "what about"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,905 posts)The same way we paid for the very expensive war that Joe voted for. Nobody asks how we are going to pay for war and war toys that cost as much and more than health care.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Who will work with him to get that done?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,905 posts)What will any Dem President be able to get done?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.
States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And threaten to pay for it if they don't?
Hadn't heard that one...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Would Bernie if elected POTUS actually be more of a lame duck on inauguration?
To much of a stretch?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They use various hybrid systems with multiple payers, and outsourcing - their systems resemble the ACA more than Single Payer.
Ask them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)multiple payers.
Is that clearer? Read my post again if you didn't get that the first time.
There are many, many, many issues working against single payer in the U.S. and the vast majority of other countries with UHC have determined this for themselves as well. They have built custom systems over several decades, because there is no one size fits all - there is the balance of urban/rural populations, the size of the population, etc.
So, no, single payer is not the only way to get to UHC, it's actually rare in terms of how other countries get there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care
And none of them got what they have today, starting with the baked in system that we have. And if they did start today, from what we have, they certainly could not get what they have now in 20 years, let alone two, as Sanders promises in his MFA.
Expanding on the ACA is the best shot we have. It would be shooting ourselves in the foot to throw it away and start again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)health care delivery.
Incremental implementation is the main reason that the ACA is still intact, and didn't disrupt health care delivery.
You don't change over the something that mammoth, that is 19% of our GDP, in 2 years, without major economic and health care delivery consequences. That's just logic.
Think about it, you don't repave all the streets in a city in a week, because you know it will cost more, and create major disruption. You do it incrementally even if it takes longer.
That disruption would give the GOP all the ammunition they would need to kill it. Even if we could get it past the House and Senate.
And they wouldn't even need to try that hard. If the 2010 SCOTUS struck down the requirement that states expand Medicaid as per the ACA, how do you think that a 2021 SCOTUS would rule about a requirement that states participate in an expansion of medicare?
Believe me, there will need to be state participation in the administration of it. Canada's system is primarily administered at the province level, like Medicaid, and not at the federal level like Medicare.
There is an old saying about projects - Cheap, Fast or Good? Pick two. Be very wary of someone who promises all three in a huge undertaking.
You tweak as you go, that's the responsible way to upgrade or retool something as vital as health care delivery.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
whistler162
(11,155 posts)the gift that keeps on giving us Trump!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)They have been HUGE supporters of his nomination.
I can't imagine it's because they think he will do well in the GE against the GOP candidate, do you?
Let us know what they say.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/team-that-rigged-gop-primaries-accuses-democrats-rigging-iowa-against-sanders/
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-claim-pelosi-intentionally-helping-biden-and-hurting-bernie-sanders-2020-1
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bernie-sanders-gets-some-outside-help-he-didnt-ask-for/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Desert grandma
(803 posts)It seems obvious to me that the Sanders campaign is getting support from Russia. My impression of many Sanders supporters is that they are as fanatic on the left in some ways as right wing nut jobs are on the right. Putin believes that Sanders would be the easiest opponent for the Orange Maggot to defeat. Therefore it would not surprise me one bit if the GOP would encourage this interference. They have tried all kids of dirty tricks. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,060 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(111,909 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Must be fishing season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden