Martin O'Malley unloads on Sanders...

[brooklynite]

Didn't realize they had such bad blood...

Link to tweet

[empedocles]

1. Suspect some are starting to step up, from fear of what BS is capable of

doing to the country. The concerns seem to go beyond 'bad blood'.

[Demsrule86]

38. Yep...losing a general is what will happen if he is the nominee...and more Trump judges,

no senate and perhaps the loss of the house...moderates in red and purple states flipped the house in states Trump won easily and often by large margins...impeachment may have hurt us in those areas.

[Alliepoo]

77. I absolutely agree.

If bs is the nominee we are done for.

[Bev54]

64. Yes it seems

they are privy to far more information than the rest of us.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. Its ok just prepare fo mo Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash to propel Bernie's continued surge

in the polls!!! I LOVE IT!! FEEL THE BERN!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[empedocles]

74. Mayor Pete doing the surging

BS has been 'bashed' much less than Biden.

[Recursion]

6. Umm... O'Malley ran against Clinton in 2016, remember

There's still some bad blood between him and Sanders from that campaign.

[TwilightZone]

13. You start.

And maybe others will follow.

Your post is rather amusing and ironic, though presumably unintentionally so.

[Cha]

83. Excellent!

[TCJ70]

3. Well...he dropped out February 1st...

...so he had more opportunity to appear more times.

[betsuni]

7. The convention was at the end of July.

[TCJ70]

71. I'm aware...O'Malley ended his campaign Feb 1st. N/t

[brutus smith]

4. The elitists are getting a little paranoid about Bernie.

[betsuni]

5. "elitists"

[samnsara]

8. who are the elitists? I didnt think our side used that word...

[betsuni]

9. No, our side doesn't.

[bunny planet]

51. we don't?

Here's Joe using just that word against Elizabeth earlier in this primary campaign.... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren.html

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. BOOOOOOOOMMM!!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Demsrule86]

40. Who is an elitist...people who disagree with you or think Sanders loses a General? Could it

be those responsible voters (older etc)whom you hope will vote for Sanders in a general despite their dislike of Sanders...the hated moderates and folks who don't support him for a variety of voters? He has my vote in a general, but do I think some won't vote for him, judging from social media...I would have to say yes.

[Scurrilous]

62. Martin Joseph O'Malley - Most Irish name ever.

If you gave an Irish character that name in a book people would laugh and say it's cliched.

[MontanaMama]

10. Well. Can you elaborate on just

who these elitists are, please and thank you?

[Corgigal]

43. Thank you,

cause for a minute I was all excited and checked my banking accounts.

I see no evidence, alas.

[MontanaMama]

48. Good idea.

I’ll do that too. Maybe my ship came in.

[brutus smith]

47. O'Malley said what he had to say, I said what I had to say.

[HarlanPepper]

49. His comments were better.

[Scurrilous]

72. *snort*

Elitist.

[brutus smith]

76. Thanks for making my point about elitists.

[HarlanPepper]

78. And what was that point?

[TwilightZone]

12. Martin O'Malley can't even remotely be considered an elitist.

It would seem you know nothing about him. When he announced his run for the presidency in 2015, his net worth was essentially zero. He and his wife have spent most of their lives in public office or public service.

[BlueMTexpat]

30. Absolutely THIS!!! eom

[octoberlib]

23. Sanders is a millionaire and has been a Senator

for years. He’s the very definition of an elitist.

[brutus smith]

46. Sanders doesn't call the shots. For instance letting Bloomberg into the debate.

[Me.]

54. He Absolutely Demanded THe Rules Changes Which Helped Create The Iowa Chaos

so yes he is calling at least some of the shots. We can only hope they don't give in to any more of his demands

[brutus smith]

59. He can demand all he wants. He still doesn't call the shots.

[Me.]

60. He Did This Time

and look where it got us, he needs to own it

[brutus smith]

81. So it was all Bernie's fault? Oh, ok.

[Me.]

85. I Didn't Say All

But, yes, he is at least partially responsible for what happened. And just wait, after all his complaining about super delegates (he is one) last time I'm betting we'll see a change in his attitude this time around. this time

[NurseJackie]

89. Or... a contributor who set the ball rolling.

Or... a contributor who set the ball rolling. The exaggerated sense of "urgency" only led to rushing the process before it could be thoroughly tested and debugged... and for the admins to load-test it... and for people be properly trained and give feedback on the interface and methods and workflow design. Looks to me like it was a great big goatscrew due to impatience and incompetence that was only exacerbated by inexperience and "public domain" or open-source software platform.

[Me.]

96. It Was The Sour Grapes Circuit

and Perez & the Dnc fell all over themselves in trying to be fair. Hence the failure this week.

[NurseJackie]

99. Similar to the totally false "media blackout" accusations...

... now they're over-compensating to "prove" that the accusations are wrong.

Absurd.

Isn't it?



PS:

[Me.]

118. AM Joy Did A Pretty Good Summary

on how the Sanders' people push for the changes that caused the debacle in Iowa.

to you

[ahoysrcsm]

108. The Iowa rule change...

So Sanders could claim he won the popular vote after coming in second. You been under a rock the last week? Or just another ruskie?

[brutus smith]

112. Oh? Why thank you!

[lapucelle]

101. Letting Bloomberg into what debate? N/T

[Bucky]

97. Oh come on! "Sanders is a millionaire" is the lamest attack

He earned a couple of million by being a best-selling author. He spent most of his life as a hard-working lower-middle-class public servant, just like Martin O'Malley. If you were remotely familiar with his wealth you'd laugh at yourself for saying something so absurd.

[Fresh_Start]

26. Bernie and Trump both use elitist terminology

we have noticed that they use it whenever they are talking about someone who actually has knowledge or education or whatever that is inconvenient to their argument

[Me.]

86. Bernie Is

one of the 1%

[Fla Dem]

31. So you're calling all DEMOCRATS who don't agree with Bernie "Elilists"?

The name calling has to stop.

[ehrnst]

32. I thought the term 'elitist' was reserved for millionaires...

And RWers talking about educated people like Obama.

[LiberalFighter]

107. In the minds of some they are.

And then there are the other elitists.

[ehrnst]

110. So I hear. But I never get a straight answer on who or what it means.

Other than they aren't agreeing lockstep with one particular career politician...

[LiberalFighter]

119. Yep!

[treestar]

36. Aren't we all elitists?

To the right wingers?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

111. Anyone who has intelligence is elitist in RW world

[treestar]

113. Or an education

for the uneducated deplorables, anyway, Dotard's favorites.

[Dream Girl]

52. Your English is quite good!

[uponit7771]

100. +1

[treestar]

114. Очень хороший английский

[Me.]

57. Who's The Elitist?

The guy who has been paid a big fat Senate salary for decades and is therefore part of the Establishment, gets better health care than most of the people in the country, is given an allowance of 3mill plus to run his office, travels in private jets, a millionaire and so it goes?

[Scurrilous]

73. Sells promises to kids as he plunders their allowance to flit about in fancy jet airplanes.

More like [redacted] than elitist.

[Me.]

79. And Don't Forget We're On The Hook For His Lovely Pension

plus social security, if he isn't already receiving that.

[Scurrilous]

80. Not yet.

'Then there are his pensions, which are based on income and years of service. With 28 years in office and a current salary of $174,000, Sanders is entitled to around $73,000 a year from the federal government for the rest of his life. If he were to sell that guaranteed income stream for a lump-sum pile of cash, Forbes figures he could get around $650,000 for it.'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/04/12/how-bernie-sanders-the-socialist-senator-amassed-a-25-million-fortune/#7a77360036bf

[treestar]

115. And there might be a maximum age

on Social security, which he is past.

[Me.]

117. 62 Is When You Can Start

but the longer you wait the bigger your payout is. There is also a restriction, depending on age, on how much you can work, but I believe he is long past both.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. Cue the Black Sabbath...

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Cha]

90. "elitist"? lol

[LiberalFighter]

106. I'm thinking you are jesting.

And maybe there are some that think they themselves are elitists. Even some that complain about them could be. Especially when they think their ideas are better than anyone else.

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. If he were a DU member his post would justifiably be hidden

Every leading voice in the Democratic Party who unloads on Sanders for reasons other than policy is helping drive away some small percent of young voters in particular away from the Democratic Party. A little here, a little there, it all adds up. Stop fighting the last primary, this is not helpful.

[TwilightZone]

14. I doubt many of them even know who Martin O'Malley is.

And, even if they do, if something this minor will drive them away from the party, then perhaps politics isn't for them. Lucky for us, in the real world, I doubt your assertion has any validity. I don't think young people sit around waiting for Martin O'Malley to drive them away from the party because of one tweet.

"Every leading voice in the Democratic Party who unloads on (insert any candidate here) for reasons other than policy is helping drive away some small percent of young voters in particular away from the Democratic Party."

Based on your logic, the above statement is equally valid. Do you post the same sentiments on threads regarding the other candidates or just yours?

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. I probably am more sensitive to this comment for a simple reason

It directly amplifies a recent complaint by one of the direct participants in the 2016 race, which has more potentially divisive impact, in my opinion, than a complaint made by any candidate supporter on either side. But I grant that you make a fair point.

[KPN]

19. Lol. Nah, that logic doesn't extend. Small is

relative. Some small percent of young Biden supporters is far different than some small percent of young Sanders supporters.

On another note, you may see the attacks as equal from both sides. I don’t. Perhaps Sanders supporters are more passionate and raw in their style and behavior. But there’s also truth in their belief that the system works against their interests, including the party “establishment” by favoring specific candidates as well as relative status quo. Personally, from what I’ve seen and experienced in my 69 year life, I have no doubt about that.

[redqueen]

44. "perhaps politics isn't for them"

Are we ok with ensuring non-voters stay that way?

[questionseverything]

103. ya know if you were correct hc would be pres

but you probably are correct that no one listens to omalley

[KPN]

16. THIS.

[NurseJackie]

18. Yet nary a word of complaint when the entire Democratic Party is smeared and denigrated with LIES...

Yet nary a word of complaint when the entire Democratic Party is smeared and denigrated with LIES that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt"... or that that Democrats are "feeble".

Doesn't it ALSO "help to drive away" voters from the Democratic party (a little here, a little there) when the Democratic party is falsely portrayed as being "corrupt" and an "absolute failure"?

What good purpose does it serve for anyone to continually spread lies that Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" and that we're the "party of the elite".

How does it attract new voters and "young voters" when they're being told that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans" and that the Democrats are "do-nothings"?

I, for one, am GRATEFUL to Marton O'Malley for having the courage to speak up and tell the TRUTH. As you noted, there are often consequences for telling the truth but O'Malley is showing us the courage of his convictions.

At least he hasn't told divisive lies about how the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change" or that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity.

None of those things are true... but when people in power and when notable (famous) individuals use their "star power" to smear and denigrate the Democrats, well, that only creates long term division and it stokes resentment and distrust. And over time I guess "it all adds up" and people begin to believe the LIE that the Democrats are the same as the GOP and they stop supporting Democrats (from the top to the bottom) and in the long run, that only serves to benefit the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.

Why would anyone purposely do things that HARM our great party and which, in turn, ultimately BENEFIT the Republicans? It's a fair question that deserves and answer. Why would anyone defend (or ignore) that destructive behavior without saying anything... without calling it out... without expressing their disapproval. --- In the end, silence and apathy equal approval and agreement, right?

It's also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.

I'm just trying to say, and all I want to know is... what good purpose does that serve? Why is it okay to smear an entire party, but some find it so unutterably offensive to legitimately criticize the policies and actions (or inaction) of another?

[mcar]

25. +1000!

[Fresh_Start]

27. + 1000 nt

nt

[Peacetrain]

34. I could tell you why Martin O'Malley has his view of the Sanders campaign..

I was his precinct captain in 2016 in Iowa.. .. so I will leave it at that

[Me.]

56. Thank You

[Scurrilous]

75. ...

[Cha]

84. Brilliant POINT! THANK YOU!!!

[George II]

87. Bazinga!

[treestar]

116. Right on!

After all he has said and done, this idea he should be the only one never criticized is mind-numbing.

[MrsCoffee]

21. Reminding us once again that DU is not the real world.

[Malmsy]

24. Yes! Thank you! My thoughts exactly! We need to work together! (eom)

[spooky3]

29. People post stuff here all the time quoting others who state facts or at least

reasonable opinions that could violate DU rules.

It has never been against the rules to do that, unless the writer is spouting RW talking points or writing for a RW source.

IMHO, O'Malley's comments concern facts that are relevant to THIS election.

[treestar]

35. So why not encourage the young voters?

Tell them this is all part of the hurdy-gurdy of a presidential campaign. Every candidate gets criticized. Any candidate worth their salt has something in their past. Pure candidates would have no history, no experience, and nothing to talk about, which would mean they are not charismatic or inspiring.

Also explain that Dotard is going to insult Bernie. If Bernie is the nominee then Dotard is going to have a field day. They need to toughen up for that.

[Demsrule86]

41. Because it is not the norm...denigrating the entire Democratic Party is not the norm...no one

should ever say it is.

[PufPuf23]

39. Thanks for stating the obvious and the practical. nt

[HarlanPepper]

50. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. Yes, the divisiveness must stop or it'll cost us the election!! Our party needs all the young voters

it can get!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[lapucelle]

93. Why would a critique of one candidate's character drive voters away from the Democratic Party? N/T

[Laelth]

17. That's interesting, admittedly. Thanks for the post. n/t

-Laelth

[MrsCoffee]

20. K&R

[octoberlib]

22. It's a little much when Bernie who's not a Democrat

and who has spent decades shitting all over the Democratic Party and called for Obama to be primaried in 2012 to now expect fealty from lifelong Democrats. I’ll vote for him because of Trump but he shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near the party.

[Fresh_Start]

28. +1000 nt

nt

[treestar]

37. [phone]

[Farmer-Rick]

33. So will he support Bernie if/when he wins the primaries?

From the negative campaigning I've been seeing from him, it makes me wonder.

Remember our Number 1 goal is to defeat Trump.

[Demsrule86]

42. Maybe he won't...who knows...But Sanders would I think understand that since he hired people to work

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in his campaign who proudly did not vote for the Democratic candidate in the general in 16 . As for the gist of O'Malley's claims, I don't think Sanders helped near enough in 16 to elect Hillary Clinton...I was unaware that he insisted upon private planes for OH, WI or PA so... much for a green new deal. The fact that so many may stay home and not vote for Sanders is a good reason to look elsewhere for a nominee IMHO. We have so much talent...why take the risk? I will of course vote for the Democratic nominee ....and that would include Sanders should he be the nominee.

[DanTex]

45. Yeah that's weird. What did Bernie ever do to him?

[NurseJackie]

70. LOL!

NEWS ALERT: Not everything is personal. Not everything is a vendetta. People honestly have legitimate and rational issues with BS... with his campaign... with his staff... with his philosophy... with his attitude... with his demeanor... with his personality. It doesn't always have be be motivated by some sort of juvenile or petty "revenge" as your question implies. Martin O'Malley is a rational adult who knows what he saw and what he observed... and how it differed from his own efforts. He's pointing out things that many here are afraid to (for obvious reasons) and the things he's talking about deserve to be discussed.

I'm grateful for his honesty and for bringing things like this out into the open. He's absolutely correct.

[brutus smith]

91. And him "coming out" with this does what?

[NurseJackie]

92. You'll have to figure it out on your own. I don't have time to spoon-feed the explanation to you.

You seem like a smart person. I'm sure you'll figure it out. But as a hint, I'll let you know that Martin O'Malley is a very loyal Democrat who has a lot of integrity.

[brutus smith]

94. Someone with integrity wouldn't trash someone running for the Dem Presidential nomination.

Only one reason to do this.

[NurseJackie]

95. He's the type of man who values the party more than the ego of an individual or...

He's the type of man who values the party more than the ego of an individual or that of their supporters. and so do I. He's the type of man who can see the big picture rather being concerned with "hurt feelings" and needing to massage the egos.

All I'm saying is that this is so much bigger than one person. And anyone who thinks they deserve to become our nation's leader and the leader of the free world needs to be someone who doesn't get so upset by what others think or say.

Bernie isn't being "trashed"... Martin O'Malley is being totally honest and simply telling it like it is. Now is not the time for false humility and being "polite" for its own sake. Too much is at stake to worry about Bernie's "hurt feelings".

[Kurt V.]

53. i guess he's just blowing off steam. bc surely he doesn't think anything he says

is going change the eventual outcome.

[aeromanKC]

55. It's about time Democrats step up to save the Democratic Party!!

[zackymilly]

58. Maybe O'Malley is looking for a spot in someone's administration.

He's not going to get one if Sanders wins.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

69. MOM will be on the outside lookin in on President Sander's administration, that's fo sho!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Scurrilous]

61. '...my bloggers paid by Russian television to attack her...'

The estimable Glenn of Greenwald I presume. He's still at it. Him and the rest of the (stealing this) Tiger Beat for Bernie crew aka Intercept. Now they get paid by a billionaire instead of a kleptocrat. Much much purer. But remember, Bernie gets no help from billionaires.

[BusyBeingBest]

63. Unhelpful.

[W_HAMILTON]

82. Calling out divisiveness is helpful.

If we had done that last time around, we probably wouldn't have the asshole in the White House that we currently have.

[MarcA]

88. Agreed. n/t

[aikoaiko]

98. lol. This what 4 years of sour grapes looks like.

Honestly, I thought O'Malley left the country given how little I've heard of him since 2016.

Maybe he had a nice walkabout.

[lapucelle]

102. What country did you think O'Malley went to?

[elleng]

109. Maryland???

Maybe Baltimore?

[Scurrilous]

104. K&R

[LiberalFighter]

105. Ouch!