Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHow McKinsey Destroyed the Middle Class
... the managerial control stripped from middle managers and production workers has been concentrated in a narrow cadre of executives who monopolize planning and coordination. Mid-century, democratic management empowered ordinary workers and disempowered elite executives, so that a bad CEO could do little to harm a company and a good one little to help it. Today, top executives boast immense powers of commandand, as a result, capture virtually all of managements economic returns. Whereas at mid-century a typical large-company CEO made 20 times a production workers income, todays CEOs make nearly 300 times as much.
Management consultants insist that meritocracy required the restructuring that they encouraged... Consultants seek, in this way, to legitimate both the job cuts and the explosion of elite pay. Properly understood, the corporate reorganizations were, then, not merely technocratic but ideological. Rather than simply improving management, to make American corporations lean and fit, they fostered hierarchy, making management, in David Gordons memorable phrase, fat and mean.
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When restructurings eradicated workplace training and purged the middle rungs of the corporate ladder, they also forced companies to look beyond their walls for managerial talentto elite colleges, business schools, and (of course) to management-consulting firms. That is to say: The administrative techniques that management consultants invented created a huge demand for precisely the services that the consultants supply.
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A deeper objection to Buttigiegs association with McKinsey concerns not whom the firm represents but the central role the consulting revolution has played in fueling the enormous economic inequalities that now threaten to turn the United States into a caste society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/how-mckinsey-destroyed-middle-class/605878/
Posting this not a criticism of Pete, since his choosing McKinsey doesnt fully define him, but as an interesting angle to think about as we consider the larger issues of repairing society that the next POTUS will face. Which candidate(s) has the insight to tackle this sociological, structural problem? We cant pretend it doesnt exist.
My first priority is beating trump like a rug and rolling back everything we can of his monstrous reign. My second priorities are climate and corruption. But wed be wise to focus also on the importance of fixing these large structural issues that have daily meaning in the lives of masses of voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,852 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,426 posts)His governing style reflects that attitude
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)I have family from South Bend and they love Buttigieg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,333 posts)Thanks for the thread Judy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)All part of controlling the 99% for the benefit of the 1%.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Are those years you would like to repeat?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)That is not a coincidence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)CEO:worker pay ratios go down during recessions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)It was much lower 1995 and earlier. I don't understand how the 2008-2009 comparison is relevant to this discussion.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The 1960s were the pinnacle of the great American middles class. We had a future. It was the "Affluent Society".
I grew up during that time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)And there's also this. Note the employment dates leading up to the financial crash. Unfortunate.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/buttigieg-hires-former-goldman-sachs-executive-as-policy-director.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,225 posts)SMH. I was hoping otherwise, but this is the angle of his experience...
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Celerity
(43,253 posts)I like your posts, you seem a rational and fair person, so please see
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287485136#post30
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Ill continue to watch how his campaign develops...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,253 posts)In 2004, Shah joined Goldman Sachs as a Vice President, where she worked on green initiatives, which included informing clients and bankers on alternative energy opportunities and advising them on how to implement environmental, social and governance criteria for all investments.
Weak smear attempt via dodgy guilt by association positings using a disingenuous framing tactic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)Does that count? Or are we only looking at what we think is the "bad stuff" he did at McKinsey--a job he held from 2007-2010 right after college. 3 whole years.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/11/21010731/what-we-know-about-pete-buttigieg-mckinsey
2008-2009
Buttigieg worked for a collection of environmental nonprofits, public utilities and the EPA and Department of Energy, researching how energy efficiency could reduce climate change. Buttigiegs report from that is publicly available.
Though I realize you wrote that your post was not meant as a criticism of Pete, there does seem to be an implication of that in your wording: "his choosing of McKinsey doesn't fully define him."
Personally I think forewarned is forearmed. I think Pete having insight into how these corporations work, while having progressive values, is a good thing. His knowledge will only serve to help combat the sneaky ways corporations try to rip off the middle class, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Ive been listening to him to understand more, especially the last few days.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Personally I think it's pretty impressive that Pete was working to combat climate change 12 years ago, way before it was widely seen as the threat it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)and down when real incomes were going down.
In fact, the sharpest drop of that ratio was between 2008 and 2009. Are you saying that the economy was doing something right at that point?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Not when ~80% of working families live paycheck to paycheck, struggling to afford childcare, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Would you rather have lower real incomes as long as that particular ratio is lower?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Trying to remember the funny one I saw at commondreams.
What was it? Hmmmm...'His work at McKinsey was a Kissinger level war crime.' Yes. That's it! That's the one!
Kudos for the promptness. Pete wins the shit comes out!
That reminds me. Check out commondreams and see how they're dealing with loss
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
IronLionZion
(45,404 posts)My mind is blown.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mathematic
(1,434 posts)Looks like we've finally solved the problem of increasing CEO pay relative to typical workers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,225 posts)The more recent (relative) leveling out is an interesting point. Why do you suppose that is?
Out of hand top compensation is still a huge problem when corporate profits arent being shared with the workforce, though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mathematic
(1,434 posts)These are all guesses. I haven't looked into it.
1) The value added by executive management has stopped growing.
2) Better board oversight for compensation committees have begun to reign in excesses.
3) Fewer high growth companies going public or staying public.
4) Wage growth for typical workers has increased faster in the last two decades than in the prior four decades.
I think one of the interesting things about the recent stability is that it's happening during an extremely strong stock market and that used to mean a huge spike in CEO pay.
I'm curious to hear other possible reasons why executive pay has remained approximately stable over the last two decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,145 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,225 posts)I want to understand mor about Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided