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KentuckyWoman

(6,694 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:29 AM Feb 2020

Klobuchar spoke to me

First time any of them really got to me enough to make "wow " out loud.

I like them all for various reasons. Today she hopped into my top 3.

Even gave her money tonight. Which says a lot

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Klobuchar spoke to me (Original Post) KentuckyWoman Feb 2020 OP
She moved into my top two last debate. blm Feb 2020 #1
I agree... this was the first real "wow" moment of the primary season by any candidate scheming daemons Feb 2020 #2
It was. And clearly from the heart. KentuckyWoman Feb 2020 #6
Yes it wasn't just her at the end it was the whole debate for her. How she turned around that lunasun Feb 2020 #9
I think that her closing really spoke to people DesertRat Feb 2020 #7
Yes, that was effective caraher Feb 2020 #13
I still want Warren to win, and think Yang sees the future better essme Feb 2020 #3
Yang does seem to understand where jobs are headed KentuckyWoman Feb 2020 #8
She has been strong in every debate. How is she doing in head to head match up with dump UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #4
The only one consistently winning swing states squirecam Feb 2020 #11
That's why I don't understand why we are all not going with Biden then? Whatever we'll have to UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #12
I don't put a ton of faith in polls this far out caraher Feb 2020 #14
But it's about beating dump..and nothing else. Oh well. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #15
Let me put it another way... caraher Feb 2020 #17
Not a good comparison...polls and tarot cards -- polls are a guideline not a bible. I disagree that UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #18
Guideline, not a bible caraher Feb 2020 #21
Amy had a great night. nt SunSeeker Feb 2020 #5
Yep tiredtoo Feb 2020 #10
She was kneecapped at her campaign launch by stories of BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #19
Amy K Won the Day. oasis Feb 2020 #16
Amy looked presidential last night Buckeyeblue Feb 2020 #20
 

blm

(113,094 posts)
1. She moved into my top two last debate.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:32 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
2. I agree... this was the first real "wow" moment of the primary season by any candidate
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:34 AM
Feb 2020

"I know you."

That was excellent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

KentuckyWoman

(6,694 posts)
6. It was. And clearly from the heart.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

She is both polished and genuine.

I like when they tried to slam Bernie's ability to collaborate and tried to get her to pile on she gave a handful of examples on how that is not true.

The wow moment was I know you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
9. Yes it wasn't just her at the end it was the whole debate for her. How she turned around that
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:09 AM
Feb 2020

pile on question not only disclaiming it but it was done in a natural way with examples not a rehearsed simplified statement on the subject
And she had questions we all ask about trump like Who does that ?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
7. I think that her closing really spoke to people
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:42 AM
Feb 2020

"I know you. I will fight for you"


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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caraher

(6,279 posts)
13. Yes, that was effective
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:19 AM
Feb 2020

Amy had a good night

If I were to vote in a presidential
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essme

(1,207 posts)
3. I still want Warren to win, and think Yang sees the future better
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:35 AM
Feb 2020

but Klobuchar was very good and did a great job of connecting with the audience. You can't save $450,000,000 in a coffee can was a great line.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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KentuckyWoman

(6,694 posts)
8. Yang does seem to understand where jobs are headed
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:46 AM
Feb 2020

And considering 2/3 of Americans did not or will not go to college, and are too busy with day to day to chase "wealth" ... not sure I am on board with all his ideas but you are right, I think he does see the bigger picture.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. She has been strong in every debate. How is she doing in head to head match up with dump
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:35 AM
Feb 2020

in the swing states....does anybody know?

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
11. The only one consistently winning swing states
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:08 AM
Feb 2020

Vs Trump is Biden. Everyone else is always close against him, or even losing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
12. That's why I don't understand why we are all not going with Biden then? Whatever we'll have to
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:14 AM
Feb 2020

widen the gap if it's someone else besides Biden....we'll do it!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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caraher

(6,279 posts)
14. I don't put a ton of faith in polls this far out
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:22 AM
Feb 2020

I'd be right with you if I believed February polls really tell the story of November 3 (the day of the only poll that matters). Until we can see the future I prefer the primary to be about promoting the candidates we think would be best in the presidency, with the understanding that we all work our asses off to make it happen once the primaries are done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
15. But it's about beating dump..and nothing else. Oh well. nt
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:23 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

caraher

(6,279 posts)
17. Let me put it another way...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
Feb 2020

If I told you I'd consulted numerous tarot card readers, had a shaman read chicken entrails, consulted my astrologer, and they all confirmed that Tulsi Gabbard would beat Trump, would you throw your support to her and urge everyone to do the same?

"Well, that's not at all the same - none of those things has any predictive value" then I would agree. I would add that the polling isn't a lot better (not enough to make the decisive factor in whose candidacy I advocate...). The final polls didn't get Iowa right, for just the most recent instance. Polling had Hillary winning in 2016 right up until she didn't. Polls can shift quite a bit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
18. Not a good comparison...polls and tarot cards -- polls are a guideline not a bible. I disagree that
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:38 AM
Feb 2020

the polling was incorrect in 2016. In all the swing states there was always a large 'undecided' portion and I said who the hell are those people going to break for?
Whoever they broke for won. So I believe the polls were wrong in 2016 is a myth that is constantly perpetuated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

caraher

(6,279 posts)
21. Guideline, not a bible
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

True - which is why I don't look at it as "polling right now shows Candidate X does best in these states, therefore we should all fall in line behind Candidate X." Our actions, the candidates actions, news developments - all sorts of influences will change polling and ultimately affect the final vote. There's just not enough signal in polling during primaries to serve as a reliable guideline, because it is overwhelmed by the unpredictable.

Go back to February 2016... who had Hillary losing Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin to Trump? Nobody. So why should I decide whom to back in February 2020 based on what polling says about any given candidate vs. Trump today (whether nationally or in the states that proved decisive last time)?

What we know is that all the dirty tricks we saw last time will return in some form or other, and how we deal with them will determine the outcome. We have lots of great options for the nomination, what's going to matter in the end is probably less what name winds up atop the ticket than how that person, and their supporters, fight through the general election season. All will be subject to election interference solicited and encouraged by Trump and an endless barrage of lies relayed by media bowing to baseless claims of liberal bias. We will all necessarily have different ideas regarding who will best inspire voters, who will stand up to the rigors of constant attack, and who will make the best president, but I do think those are the right criteria to be employing in the primary season, and polling doesn't tell me much about any of that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SunSeeker

(51,715 posts)
5. Amy had a great night. nt
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:37 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
10. Yep
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:04 AM
Feb 2020

She has always been in my top 3. Could not understand why she wasn't getting any traction.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BusyBeingBest

(8,059 posts)
19. She was kneecapped at her campaign launch by stories of
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:46 AM
Feb 2020

making young staffers feel sad and not validated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
20. Amy looked presidential last night
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:46 AM
Feb 2020

Her answers were concise and specific. Her personality really came through. And her I know you speech at the end was Clintonesque.

I think Trump would have a big problem dealing with her.

Biden did not look good and seemed to shout most of his answers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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