Did I miss it, or did Warrne,not talked about Medicare for All?

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1. We might want to concentrate on emphasizing trump's criminality and wait until we win to talk...

about how and whether to implement Medicare for All.

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2. Thanks. I thought it was somewhat different. Smart on her part, IMO

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3. Right. I don't like raising the medical coverage issue at all,

as no one has a truly informed answer. Candidates' inclinations may be useful, for voters

[emmaverybo]

4. She said she would protect the ACA.

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5. That's a welcome change

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6. Yeah. She just kinda slipped it in. Biden asked Sanders and Warren in early debate what folks

currently in need were supposed to do during transition for medical care, and they never answered.
It angers me that an obsession with one way of getting to universal healthcare should stop them from a word about systems we already have in place—ACA, Medicare, Medicaid.

These need to be improved upon, yes, until we have greater consensus for M4All or some other universal plan, and a way to implement, but in the meantime, Warren and Sanders should have vowed—as did Biden —to protect, restore, and improve ACA, safeguard and expand Medicaid, and keep greedy Republican hands off our Medicare.

They did not. They ignored and disparaged our current system, which flawed as it is, is all we have.
It covers all but ten million and it can cover many more. Why pretend we have no or deplorable healthcare?

We were to forget about the healthcare we have and can build on, the significance and success of ACA (oops Biden talking point), as though it never existed, the better to accept a big, new, and bold idea that would remain nothing but, for, as they admitted, years.

I resent this. Warren is following a saner path, but only because her surge dissipated and she dipped. If this foretells leadership judgement, I have qualms. That said, she is my second; if Amy comes up, my third.

Good that the “I’m with Bernie” days are behind her. A major plank of her platform, anti-corruption, needs front and center. She should get off M4All for now. She can push it from the White House.

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7. Right. She actually questioned Biden in which primaries he is running

because he would not follow her. She questioned Delaney's presence in a debate because he said that her plan could not be done.

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9. Had put that out of my mind. Yes, she did. She actually did. That, the RW smear, was what she said

to a candidate, maybe Amy, on the debate stage when asked how she proposed to pay for M4All.
She replied “that’s a Republican talking point.” No, it was a question.

Must note though, in fairness, Bernie gets away with “who knows” when pinned down.

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11. Biden people called her an elitist. There was a whole path to these comments.

None of it was any bigger deal than Biden saying Buttigieg is inexperienced (he is, and I am good with that. He will hire strong, smart, professional people, he has the ability), or any number of comments in these debates. Harris having a conversation about Biden segregation issues decades ago. Biden people flipped and went after her hard, and I feel unfair doing incredible damage.

We could go on and on.

We have 4 smart, capable Democrats that I fully stand behind.

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12. Yep. We were talking about how she dealt with M4All when she was still proposing and defending

it.

My gripe is that she ever used that RW accusation on ANYONE and especially lobbed it when she didn’t want to answer for the cost of her proposal. I am not focused on the various attacks
competitors make back and forth and who started it during the primaries.

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13. Ya, big deal. Just like I have to say it to myself when people use "Joe is just being Joe".

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14. I did not even bring up the Biden-Warren kerfluffle. My criticism is of her and Sanders' healthcare

proposal, that neither one concerned themselves with the urgent need to protect our current system, which serves huge numbers of Americans, from RW predations.

I also question Warren’s coming so late to vowing to defend ACA. She did so rather tepidly in debate. I wait to hear more.

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15. I have always known that Warren would not trash ACA hurting millions of people.

Sorry for those that bought the worst outlook, but I have always known better. So, with a grain of salt. Like the other examples I gave you.

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16. She might have assured all of us of that from the start. Biden asked. Answer should have been that

until M4All was passed into law and fully implemented she would do all in her power to stop Republicans gutting ACA, attempt to lower premiums, expand Medicaid, and protect Medicare.

Only fairly recently has she said M4All would not get done in her first term, making Biden’s question to its proponents all the more urgent to have answered.

I am glad you always knew. I didn’t. Dem electorate didn’t. Not a fatal blow to her candidacy, which unfairly has had more vetting than Bernie’s.

Given that as debates were being held, and before then, Republicans were busy ripping ACA limb to limb, EVERY candidate from out the gate should have made it a priority to fight its dismantling, whatever his/her stance on M4All.

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17. Warren did from the start. At a point she said, Sanders plan. Yes, bad move. Bad bad. But still,

even with that, with Warren's history, I knew that she would be strong for anything that helped the people. And sure enough, she came out and made the statement. And again, and again. So again, I say, the people that took the very worst did so by choice because I always knew Warrens position that she would always help and back and support what it took for the people with their HC.

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18. Missed it. When did she vow to protect ACA? And the two other healthcare systems? States

are cutting, not expanding Medicaid.

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10. Warren has held to, she would back anything that strengthened people's HC.

We know Warren would do this, no surprise, not out of character, and no real change.

[Hortensis]

8. Given the alarming and dangerous populist surge, which

I don't doubt for a half second is being facilitated by Russia, and possibly other foreign enemies, I'm really wondering what Warren's thinking. Our intelligence services warned that Putin wanted to unite our LW and RW populist movements into an overwhelming destructive force, and I believe we're seeing sudden movement in that.

All the Democrats must be trying to regroup and figure out what to do while continuing their intense schedules of what the media and electorate expect of them.

People are completely mistaken in believing Sanders' surge is all about a sudden, previously mostly nonexistent interest in socialism. For both Sanders and Repub-Russia, it is first about smashing the Democratic Party that's the obstacle to their goals. They both need to continue the destruction of our current governmental systems to clear the way for their goals.

But there they all probably mostly diverge. For Trump/white nationalists/religious right the goal is seemingly a form of fascistic Christian nationalist kleptocracy (for how long?!), for Russia a broken America, too crippled to stop them from reconstructing the Soviet empire. And Sanders, no longer of use.

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19. Scary. So again the Sanders supporters and the Trump supporters unite

Both were awfulizing life during the 2016 campaign and both want to destroy existing institutions.

Sadly, the "squad" has a similar goal.