Can anyone explain why Elizabeth Warren isn't doing better?

[Mike 03]

She was off to a great start, the kind of start winning candidates have in the early months of an election cycle.

Her anti-corruption message has been so strong. She has pinpointed the reason things don't work in our country anymore.

I think she is the only candidate who has promised to go after Trump and his cronies after they are out of office.

She is incredibly likable. Who doesn't like Elizabeth Warren, the human being?

She's been consistent throughout her career on a core set of issues and values.

She's not attacking other candidates and has only run a positive campaign.

I just don't understand.

EDIT: Warren did well in Iowa and not enough was said about that. This post was made in frustration at some new polling released this morning that shows her polling at 9%, distant fourth place, in NH.

[denem]

1. She is not attacking other Democrats.

One gets no credit for that.

[Mike 03]

2. This too.

Thank you. I'll add it.

[denem]

6. yw

Elizabeth has real ammunition to take Biden down on his Bankruptcy Act, but has held her fire.

[left-of-center2012]

9. "She is not attacking other Democrats"

Guess you missed her attacks on Pete Buttigieg.

[denem]

17. No I did not.

It was Bernie's people who were conducting the campaign on twitter/facebook, and who turned up to that debate with 'Pete's Wine Cave' T-Shirts. Warren did not mention Buttigieg by name. Pete accepted the challenge.

[left-of-center2012]

19. She attacked Pete in the debate Friday

[rockfordfile]

74. No she didn't

[left-of-center2012]

21. I suspect she'll be out after NH n/t

[denem]

25. Nice.

[blm]

37. Nah. She organized early in 31 states to withstand initial losses

You don’t know Warren.

[BlueMTexpat]

42. Where have you been during

the past several elections?

Since 2000, no Democratic candidate who was third in Iowa was out after NH. Not one.

Lots of implicit bias, methinks, no matter how strong the denial.

[left-of-center2012]

44. Lots of implicit bias, methinks

Oh puhleese !

[BlueMTexpat]

46. Res ipsa loquitur. eom

[left-of-center2012]

48. Doesn't apply in this case

[BlueMTexpat]

49. It does.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[aikoaiko]

62. Its true, but you can't 'nice' your way into the presidency.

I really really wanted to go with Elizabeth Warren as an alt to Bernie, but I needed to see her hammer Joe Biden on his credit card company protectionism and support for civil forfeiture laws.

It never came.

So here I am looking at Bernie still wondering if his positives will be enough to overcome his negatives with the voters.

[ehrnst]

76. If you are a female candidate, if you don't go "nice" you will be bashed as

a shrill, castrating harpy with cankles.

So there's that.

[aikoaiko]

79. I don't think so. Kamala hit Joe hard and she rose.

When she let off the gas her polling went down again.

No one called her shrill.

[ehrnst]

80. I guess you weren't on twitter? She was called a "nothing but a g-damn cop"

by many self-described progressives.

It appeared to be a talking point.

[aikoaiko]

87. Right. So not shrill. Some people will push back when you go hard.

That's the nature of verbal attacks. You hope that you come out ahead.

My point is that shrill is not an automatic response to an assertive, aggressive stance in politics.

[ehrnst]

99. Actually, yes, there were plenty of examples on Twitter calling Harris "shrill"

Link to tweet

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And it wasn't just twitter...

Comments on this article in the SacBee include: "Harris is a shrill, arrogant, divisive, abusive, race-baiting, man-hating, anti-Catholic bigot."

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article232072042.html

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/what-i-said-about-kamala-harris-was-an-understatement/

But don't look for the Starbucks founder's tweet online because the presidential candidate-in-waiting deleted it within hours. The ever-present Twitter posse had already decided that I--and by extension Schultz for acknowledging me--had committed a cardinal sin. In modern parlance, I threw shade on two women in the most sexist manner in my column, calling Kamala Harris "shrill" (also a "quasi-socialist," but that didn't seem to stick in as many craws) and disparaging Sen Elizabeth Warren as "Fauxcohontas." (I am about the twelfth millionth to have done that.)

Harris has carefully moderated her vocal tone to try to prevent being called "shrill":

She noted how, in the first debate in the Democratic primary, Senator Kamala Harris’s carefully measured tone as she confronted former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. was widely praised.

“Her pace was the delivery technique that enabled her to command the stage,” said Ms. Jahnke. “If you listen carefully, you will notice how slowly she is speaking and how she uses pauses to add drama.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/us/politics/women-voices-authority.html

[Ohiogal]

3. I'm as puzzled as you are, for all the same reasons.

Plus she has that beautiful Golden Retriever!

[denem]

7. If it was Bailey for President

the race would be over

[PatSeg]

20. I don't think she's getting

as much media exposure as she did in the beginning. Maybe it would help if Trump started to attack her. That often works if a candidate wants to get the mainstream media to cover them.

In the last debate, it felt like the moderators were ignoring her in favor of other candidates.

[MontanaMama]

31. Totally agree with this.

I commented to by husband during the debate that she was being ignored.

[PatSeg]

61. I found it rather odd

Then when they finally called on her, it felt like she was rushing to get her message out there, as if she had to catch up with the others.

[CrispyQ]

4. She's a woman.

There was a recent article about the erasing of Elizabeth Warren, even though she did well in Iowa.

[superpatriotman]

5. Every time I hear her talk

She becomes the most qualified candidate

[denem]

10. Warren says how she will get things done,

and challenges us to hold her accountable as president. Amy Klobuchar is the only other candidate with such attention to detail.

[still_one]

8. I don't either, but suspect it was the distortions and misrepresentations from her competitors

It is still early, but in my view she needs to be more aggressive, and distinguish herself from Sanders

[freepotter]

56. Medicare for All

I think it is her Medicare-for-all stance (not that that's a bad idea). Nearly all, if not the only, criticism of her plans that I've heard has been that her Medicare-for-all plan would take away private insurance, that many people may want to keep. Nearly every commentator, who I've heard say something about her, mentions that as a problem with her strategy. Sad part is, most commentators don't even talk about her. You know, because... woman.

[still_one]

57. Warren already addressed that by saying people can keep their existing plan if they like it

Unlike others, she has detailed how it would be paid for

[Recursion]

101. Which means it's not "Medicare For All"

It was a tough choice: saying you can't keep your current plan alienates a lot of people nationally, and saying you don't want Medicare For All alienates a lot of people in the party. But one of those sentences must be true. Sanders just ignores the question and the media lets him get away with it; Warren was actually honest and forthright about the kind of health care system she wanted to work for and (as you mention) how she would pay for it.

Unfortunately honesty isn't always a winning political policy.

[MoonlitKnight]

95. A lot of people don't understand the issue

Warren is a stickler for details and studies and empirical evidence. She read the studies that have been consistent for decades that single payer is the most cost effective choice and covers the most people. It isn’t socialist or radical.

Thank you for Obamacare. But it was the Republican plan for decades. And the reason Democrats fought it since Nixon was because we knew the very problems that are being complained about now were known flaws. Single payer beats the crap out of any other plan. Anything short of that is actually the more expensive option.

Throw in people like Chris Matthews equating socialism with communism and you stir up the Bernie fears. Those fears spill over to the candidate perceived as next closest on the political spectrum.

Warren also seems to get the tougher questions. Like the CNN town halls, Biden did great but also filibustered so he had far less questions. Yang was tossed softballs the whole time. Warren got tough audience questions and difficult follow ups by Bothsider Cuomo.

[walkingman]

11. I think she and Bernie have a very similar focus and ideology and Bernie has an established

political group already. Her being a woman might also be a factor? I totally agree with her philosophy. Just wonder if she can bet someone as nasty as Trump.

[blm]

39. She is an assassin facing down the corrupt. She has

no skill at attacking other Democrats.

This is her first primary race. Beware democrats who ARE comfortable attacking other dems.

[left-of-center2012]

12. Psst - It's not her gender

There's room for one 'progressive'.
Sanders owns it, and has for years.

[MrsCoffee]

105. Psst - Bullshit.

Sexism is alive and well. Especially from the bros.

Again with this “one” true savior shit.

[left-of-center2012]

108. Male or female

Some candidates just don't make the grade with voters.

[Ford_Prefect]

13. One reason is the MSM wants political melodrama whereas smart woman Warren makes too much sense.

They don't see her tackling Trump and spilling blood. She'll run circles around him logically and make the whole debate on the issues. MSM wants Angry and Mean on the screen to excite the audience as if politics was a WWW Death Match with all the hype.

[bluewater]

14. CASE IN POINT: She just finished a strong 3rd in Iowa ahead of frontrunner Biden

And yet gets NO credit for doing so.

Even your own OP asks "Why isn't Warren doing better"!




Honestly, I can only attribute this to misogyny so deeply ingrained in society that people can't consciously recognize it.

[Mike 03]

26. Yes, she did well in Iowa.

Actually, my post was a response to a new poll out this morning in NH.

Sorry, I should have specified that.

My bad.

[Merlot]

27. +1

Honestly, I can only attribute this to misogyny so deeply ingrained in society that people can't consciously recognize it.

[Cicada]

15. Maybe likability?

My wife doesn’t like her. Just a personality thing.

[Merlot]

30. It's not about personality, it's about policy

Remember the whole "rather have a beer with bush than gore" BS? The republicans know they have no policies that average Americans like, so they hide behind them with the "personality" test. Don't fall for that, pick someone with policies that you like.

[BlueMTexpat]

45. That is such crap, IMO.

It's just like what was done with Hillary in 2016 ... and in 2008.

"Yes, we WANT a woman candidate. Just NOT THIS woman candidate!"

And Hillary in 2016 was the MOST qualified Presidential candidate EVER!

Women candidates all have to be "perfect" and "acceptable" to every single voter or they're not deemed to be "electable" by the PTB and the media pundits.

[squirecam]

53. Well I do want a woman president

I just want mine. Not yours.

[BlueMTexpat]

54. ...

Fair enough!

[DrToast]

55. Same!

I don’t care for Warren. And I can absolutely see why people don’t like her.

[ismnotwasm]

60. Yup.

It’s the exact. Same. Shit.

And I say this with no dog in this race. For real, I don’t.

[MythosMaster]

16. Wealth tax

Does not go over well for the billionaire owners of the media and the millionaire protectorate of the status quo.

[Fresh_Start]

18. there is misogyny and fear of misogyny

and thats a big part of it right there.

[MadLinguist]

32. That distinction is so on-point. If there were a way to pull apart x from fear of x

in polls and in voting patterns, we'd have a clearer picture I think. Polling questions could be so much better. I wonder if anyone has ever designed one that would address the difference between what the respondent thinks and what the respondent thinks other people think, maybe broken down into other people of my party, other people in the country, other people of my gender, etc.

[frazzled]

50. Yes, fear of misogyny probably a big factor

If media reports from Iowa and New Hampshire can be believed (and I would add to those anecdotal accounts of the decisions and indecisions of friends and family), people are desperate to determine the candidate they think can win (read: defeat Trump). Policies and everything else aside.

I do think the "woman can't win" fear factor injected by Sanders has landed squarely on her head. Add to that the rather male dominated demographics of the further left (all the candidates are "left" ), people in that camp have headed for the pater familias.

[Fresh_Start]

64. don't think we can blame Sanders for fear of misogyny...

or only partially...I think 2016 general gave us that...

[dalton99a]

22. She got swiftboated. Her presumed strength - I've got a plan for that - was turned into her weakness

See MFA

[Docreed2003]

38. I think you're correct

And some folks get away with promising to move the moon without a plan

[Backseat Driver]

70. I suspect this is very true - although I do support her

I think that perhaps she makes the swiftboating too easy by ALWAYS saying the exact words in the same way...and for a lot of folks, the bigger the plan, the scarier for the voter or family, or economy; 2) I recognize the practicality of her campaign wardrobe being neat, comfortable, and non-offensively modest/androgenous, but I'd sure like to see a suit w/skirt, a smart dress, or a piece of tasteful jewelry or accessory; 3) She somehow got paired with Sander's wild "revolution" over a one-time dramatic change w/M4A. 4) She's had pretty good success so far avoiding the need for "big money" donors and PACS in some of the same ways Howard Dean attracted participation, but look what happened there courtesy of the MSM, et al.

None of that detracts about how smart and committed she is about doing right within rule of law for all Americans. I hate the corruption the permeates the institutions of this country and every political process, exemplified, endorsed, and executed by that monster in the WH. She's a good teacher, been a good student, and life is the pop quiz. Go, Elizabeth!

[SDANation]

23. Misogyny

More reasoned and steady than pretty much all the candidates. Just look at 2016, probably the most qualified candidate to run for POTUS got beat by a xenophobic sociopath. Lot of misogyny remains throughout the country and much of it resides in the collective subconscious.

[Skidmore]

24. She's taking the fall for Sanders'

MFA, which he plopped out there without being honest about costs and how to pay for it. She tried to put out numbers but they were unworkable. He sat back, grinned smugly, and clutched his anger to his chest.

[totodeinhere]

28. Don't write her off just yet. Lets see how she does on Tuesday.

She doesn't need to win New Hampshire but a strong third place finish would leave her in the conversation I think. If Mayor Pete fails to demonstrate much support in communities of color then he may fall back leaving Bernie, Elizabeth and Joe as the last three standing. Then of course Bloomberg might be a wild card.

[UniteFightBack]

29. I can't understand why folks would pick Sanders over Warren...Warren who has accomplished

so much....and Bernie, well not as much at all.

[katmondoo]

52. What I don't understand is the Bernie surge. I'm old and never heard of him until 2016

[k2qb3]

81. Check this out...

[link:https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/education/profile-in-courage-essay-contest/past-winning-essays/2000-winning-essay-by-peter-buttigieg|


I'd very happily vote for Warren.

I think it's mostly her manner. She doesn't have the "presidential voice". Now, some of that is because she's a woman, and we're not used to women in that position, but it isn't all of it.

I've heard several people, men and women, describe her as America's mother in law.

[Hoyt]

33. I can only say why I don't support her. She's not a lot different from Sanders, too many promises

that she can't deliver, her going from MFA will cost $3.5 T annually to $5.2 T in a month shows she hasn't fleshed her promises out, she bashes the wealthy even though she will need lots of million/billionaires to fund her promises if she wants to keep from taxing the middle-class heavily, she criticized Obama -- and Clinton by association -- right up until November 2016 on trade (helping give us trump), etc.

I really want a woman for 2020, but I could support Warren only if she gets nomination.

I think she will be beaten by trump about as easily as Sanders.

[NoMoreRepugs]

34. She's a she, intelligent, 1000% anti-tRUMP, a true

threat to the status quo of the Billionaire Boyz Club - that’s my take on it. She would make a great nominee and President.

[FarPoint]

35. She is a wonderful candidate....

Exceptionally qualified....I think the issue is not qualifications...this election..the focus is beating Trump, gathering momentum, confidence that this Democratic Presidential Candidate will beat tRump... that is the real mission...

[Buckeyeblue]

36. Personality. If she had Amy's personality she'd be running away with the nomination

[JudyM]

75. I like Liz's personality far more than Amy's, FWIW.

I find Amy difficult to listen to. It seems she talks about herself far more than about new ideas/solutions for problems. I guess that’s important in trying to distinguish herself, but I’m always looking for what the candidates are proposing for moving us beyond the Obama years as well as the trump years.

[Buckeyeblue]

86. All of these are personal preferences.

But I think it's important to tell your story as you present your ideas.

[Jose Garcia]

40. 1. She's not that likable

2. She's too far left for most Democrats, but not far enough left for the kind of people who like Bernie.

3. The whole bogus Native American ancestry thing turned off a lot of people.

[LisaM]

63. Not that likable! She's enormously likable.

And her ancestry claims were exactly what she said they were. I was pissed when people turned that around on her.

The media is ignoring her, and ignoring the more intimate events, the one-in-one encounters, she excels at. Hillary redux.

[blm]

88. There was no bogus Native American thing. That"s RW spin.

Millions of Americans are waking up day after to day and discovering that their oft-told family stories aren’t completely accurate.

Was John Kerry lying that he was Irish, or, did he find out later in life that he was, in fact, Jewish?His grandfather created an entirely different background to escape persecution.

I’d say millions and millions of families have some beliefs concerning their backgrounds that just aren’t accurate. More each day. When was the last time you checked yours?

BTW, you do know Trump’s family pretended to be Swedish for years because they didn’t want to lose high-rent paying Jews during and after WW2, right? Or do you only have a problem with Warren?

[drray23]

41. Because it's not about policies, it's about beating Trump.

Warren is very strong on policy. But this election is really about standing toe to toe with Trump and beating him. I think it's why Bloomberg is ramping up. He is willing and has the funds to beat Trump at his own game.

[blm]

89. There IS no one tougher facing down power and corruption than Warren.

See Wells Fargo.

See Jamie Dimon.

Warren is an assassin when it comes to corruption.

[MoonlitKnight]

96. Warren will destroy Trump

She will get in his head AND all those Republicans who blocked her from heading the CFPB.
And you get to poke Moscow Mitch as she persists in kicking his ass out of the Majority Leader position.

[Basic LA]

43. I don't think it's gender, but style.

I see her as the real brains of the bunch. Yet for all those who hear only the music and not the lyrics, that high-level exasperation & frustration, coupled with her herky-jerky Steve Kornacki mannerisms, might be off-putting. Just a guess. Hope I'm wrong.

[Tactical Peek]

47. She is the one our ruling class fears most becoming President.

They have their ways.

[Fresh_Start]

67. damn straight...she willed the creation of the CFPB without

even being in Congress

I guess maybe she should have renamed post offices to gain an adoring fan club.

[blm]

91. Exactly. She is the anticorruption candidate and the corrupt know it.

[unitedwethrive]

51. The reason I have ranked Klobuchar above Warren is that

when I hear Warren talk, I feel that I've heard it all before. At first it was an impressive list of plans, but soon it just seemed repetitive. I find Amy to be more flexible and 'fresh' - if that is a thing.

Something I do with my recently graduated Ivy League poli sci major daughter when we watch the debates. After each question, we pause the video and predict what the answer will be. It makes one appreciate a new take on a frequent query, and illuminates who is able to bring a novel approach, even if not changing their basic platform. Warren's answers have been some of the most predictable, which I believe, can lead to less excitement about a candidate.

[MoonlitKnight]

97. This is a candidate who stays on message

This is what you need to win a general election.

[Chemisse]

59. I've never liked her so may not be the best judge, but I think . . .

She took a big hit when she released the cost of her health plan.

Being a woman, she has to work twice as hard to get the same amount of attention and support, and she didn't seem to know how to force her way back from that big hit.

Her attack on Bernie was bizarre from start to finish and now they are good buddies again. I don't know what the average primary voter thinks of that, but it can't be good.

Her loss of popularity translated into Bernie's momentum and the laws of political 'physics' clearly include a 'gender coefficient,' making the male in the equation almost unstoppable.

[Fresh_Start]

66. that was also a good estimate of the cost of Bernie's health plan

but he didn't take a hit..

[Chemisse]

68. It hurt her because she was evasive about it, imo. n/t

[Fresh_Start]

69. but Bernie is also evasive about the costs of his plans

without any particular pushback from his supporters

[Chemisse]

92. Good point. Their plans seem pretty similar.

She came across as squirmy on the question (in the debate just prior to the release of the costs), which tends to arouse suspicion that she is not being forthright. In general, Bernie comes across as belligerent and unapologetic, which seems honest if nothing else.

Maybe that's the difference? It was like the bursting of a rising balloon for Warren.

[MoonlitKnight]

98. The premise of the question was flawed

Of course taxes go up, because that would be the new manner by which “premiums” would be paid. Would you care if it was a payroll deduction as a tax or a fee your employer charged if your take home pay goes up?

[Faux pas]

65. The media

is really good at ignoring/overlooking the ones who don't meet THEIR standards. I've seen it over and over again.

[andym]

71. She's very straightforward in telling folks how she will accomplish her policies

Being honest and being detailed in politics generally do not work, because they provide fodder for attacks.

[pattyloutwo]

72. So much sexism

From women and men, without realizing it. I see a male teacher ask the office manager for supplies and she jumps to it right away, when do you need it. I see a female teacher ask for supplies and she asks why do you need that? Can’t you use ———? She doesn’t realize she’s treating men and women differently. Our two women candidates are highly qualified US Senators with strong records, getting eclipsed by 80 year olds and a mayor of a small town. Woman for prez in 2040 I guess, maybe.

[Polybius]

73. When she talked about MFA and seemed to go back a little

Some of her supporters apparently went to Bernie.

[stonecutter357]

77. lol not on DU !

[booley]

78. Sincerity was part of it

At the beginning, there was this perception that Warren was more like Sanders. That even if Sanders lost, we still had warren and she would fight for the changes we wanted and needed.

When she didn't endorse Sanders that made a lot of people mad. There started being doubts if she as really as behind these policies as she claimed. But most brushed it aside as the kind of political calculations we expect from politicians. I was one of those.

So going into this she started off pretty good.

Then Warren released her Medicare for all plan and it ... did not look good. It cast doubt on whether she was really serious about Medicare for All. Then it seemed she was even moving away from the idea altogether. We can argue what was in Warren's heart of hearts but that was the perception and it hurt her.

We kept waiting for Warren to go after Biden over his vote on the Bankruptcy bill. And him falsely taking credit for her work for the Consumer Protection Bureau. But she never did. What she did do is engage ina He Said/She said over a year old conversation that no one could prove.

it also didn't help her that at least for a while, Obama seemed to be pushing her without outright coming out and sayign it. And she started taking on Hillary advisors. And taking advice from Clinton herself. All of which further reinforced the idea that Waren was just another political insider who talked change but didn't' really mean it.

So yeah, people just don't trust her anymore.

This is, I am sure, hard to hear for some. I expect many won't understand it when I say moving closer to Clinton hurt Warren. And I myself still have Warren as my second choice. But I am still .. disappointed.

[pbmus]

83. Corporations and Wall Street do not support her...

[booley]

84. So?

Wall Street and corporations generally don't. That is true.

She does have a few billionaire backers.

But my point is a lot of people think "Maybe they don't openly support her now. But how long will that last?"

When I said how the establishment seemed to be helping her, I wasn't saying they suddenly agreed with her stated positions. It was because they thought she could be coopted to use to keep Sanders at bay.

Have you ever seen AOC talking about the pressure in Congres to conform?

That would have been applied to Warren when she came into Congres too.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

85. That's about the size of it.

[blm]

90. Sounds like Sanders supporters exaggerated grievances.

YOUR perceptions are not accurate. Your group needed to believe that only Sanders steps perfectly.

[kcr]

94. Many won't understand it when you say moving closer to Clinton hurt her

Because it doesn't make any sense in the real world. As to the rest of your post:

Bernie and Warren are nearly identical when it comes to policy. Your post is a perfect example of the reason I fully support Warren and can't stand Bernie and his garbage populist movement that just may have destroyed any chance of true, liberal reform in this country in my lifetime.

[Renew Deal]

103. This is the most substantive response I've seen on this topic

And I’m sure you’re right from the political side of things. I also think perception hurts her. I don’t think people see her as presidential. Add in Sanders to split the vote and here we are.

[mysteryowl]

82. IMO, she was on the rise and had media coverage, until...

...until she spelled out how she would PAY for universal health care. They stopped covering her after that. Her second fall was when she said during a debate that Bernie did not think a woman could win and the comment was in private over a year ago. That was the end of it.

I love her anti-corruption campaign focus!!! I wish the media would give her that coverage.

[BlueWI]

93. Sexism, MFA plan rollout, Sanders

Sexism is a constant factor.

The MFA debate hurt her when she was peaking.

It's tough for two progressive candidates to get traction.

I hope she beats expectations in NH. She's a positive campaigner and her sincerity and determination are to be admired. But it's a crowded field and she doesn't get her due, IMO.

[Recursion]

100. She was honest about how she would pay for her programs

That was when the nosedive started. But, yeah, also sexism: she beat Biden in Iowa and as far as I can tell no press have ever mentioned that.

[cerebrate2006]

102. She was naive about Democratic voters

She was honest about taking away all private insurance - apparently didn’t see the slew of polls that said a majority of people are happy with their insurance, or naively believed that she could sell these people on a government run program instead. Definitely should have done what Bernie is doing - skate past the details and just promise the free lunch like a regular politician. She’d still be my number one choice if ahole wasn’t in the WH.

[Raven123]

104. She replies to every question with the same answer

She is spot on in her assessment of economic inequality and her plans are the most detailed, direct, thorough and thoughtful.

However, I feel she is in the campaign bubble and has become almost robotic in her presentation. For example, in the NH debate when asked about investigating Trump if she were elected, she correctly said no one should be above the law. What she didn’t (or at least I didn’t hear it) say was that Trump’s obstruction on Congress leaves the next President no choice, as we don’t know what else he has done. She could have emphasized his narcissistic behavior, and list the ways this has played out, such as diverting funds to his businesses and “the wall”. She could have noted the wall fell down and said given his business history, we need to find out how this was contracted etc....

Instead she pivoted to a canned stump speech about the 1%.... I’ve heard it, you’ve heard it and I bet anyone seeing that debate heard it before. The problem is, saying the same thing, with the same words loses listeners.

Note: I too am frustrated, as I originally supported her.

[duforsure]

106. When she talked about Medicare for all some outside groups

Lobbyist put a lot of money into attacking her for it, and it has hurt her some, but if she takes Amy's pattern she'll go back up a lot more. She is the smartest of all the candidates, and likely feared the most by trump and putin. If Joe loses more support his support will go to her before Bernie or Mayor Pete.

[Laelth]

107. AOC endorsed and campaigned for Sanders.

Had AOC backed Warren, instead, Sanders' and Warren's relative positions in the left lane would be reversed, I think.



-Laelth

[MineralMan]

109. She's being overpowered by the male candidates, I'm afraid.

So is Amy Klobuchar. The men stand there in the debate, pointing their fingers and raising their voiced to get the most notice from everyone. Neither Warren nor Klobuchar can compete with that on the public stage, unfortunately.

Neither has the massive name recognition that Hillary Clinton had. Frankly, most people outside of their own states are unfamiliar with either woman, despite their being Senators.

That's the bottom line here. Biden's well known, since he was Vice President, and Bernie Sanders ran in 2016 for the nomination and gained wide recognition as a leading primary candidate.

Whatever we might wish, presidential elections are still largely popularity contests among people who are already celebrities. while Pete Buttigieg is doing well in the first two primaries, there are 48 more of them yet to come.

My hope in 2020 is that a woman will be picked as the VP candidate. That will put her in the spotlight for four years, at least.