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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:08 PM Feb 2020

are any of the candidates walking the walk on climate change?

have any of them changed to electric car or hybrid car?
have any of them added solar panels or windwill or anything to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels?

are any of them using reusable cups instead of creating unnecessary waste?

they are wealthy so not expecting them to live in a tiny house...but what are they doing in their own lives to show their commitment?

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
1. Interesting question - don't know how to find the answer.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:24 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
4. i've been searching and haven't been able to find the answer
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:31 PM
Feb 2020

the pictures of homes that I have been able to find don't show any panels or windmills...

One of Gore failures was that they wasn't walking the walk..so it made it easier to dismiss the concern about climate change.

None of these people are hurting .. so throwing some panels on a building should be the least thing that they do.

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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. No one has asked them
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:24 PM
Feb 2020

But it's a question everyone should ask themselves. We all make trade-offs. For myself, we own a 13-year-old hybrid Prius, but for most of the week take public transportation; we eat mostly at home, so don't often have to use any throw-away utensils or cups; we recycle religiously. But living in a 40-unit building in the city, we don't have the personal option for solar or wind. We have been converting to LEDs in our own unit, etc. But I'm sure we waste in some other ways (I always think I use too many paper towels because I cook a lot, and tend to do things like dry herbs and vegetables with them; and use them for cleaning.)

I must say, though, I don't know that it's an important question for candidates. Their personal usage is not nearly as big an issue as policies toward larger-scale carbon footprints created by industrial users. All the candidates seem to have strong policy positions regarding fossil-fuel regulation.

We all do our little parts, but the politicians have to look at the big regulatory picture.

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OnlinePoker

(5,717 posts)
3. I seem to recall that Warren and Sanders buy carbon offsets.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

I really don't know how valid these are as they seem like one group paying for the right to pollute.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
5. carbon offsets are pretty useless
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:36 PM
Feb 2020

it is not hard is it to actually do something when you have money so why aren't they?

i finally could afford PV and got it installed within months of being able to afford it.

and no, its not a money saving measure...payback is ~10+ years so we're doing it for the planet and the future

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patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
6. "it is not hard is it to actually do something when you have money so why aren't they?"
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:44 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg personally, out of his own pocket, pays the dues so the USA can stay in the clean air parts of the UN since Trump took us out of it.

He has stopped several hundred coal mines. I can't remember the other things right off. But they are there.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
7. yes, I saw Bloomberg is taking action
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:47 PM
Feb 2020

still wondering about the rest.

Climate change is a long time issue for me (literally since the 1980s when I registered as Green in NYS for my first election). Don't worry I haven't been Green Party for 30 years.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Bloomberg is paying the USA's dues for the Paris Climate Agreement.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 07:13 PM
Feb 2020

That is working out to around $6 million per year. He has paid it for the last 3 years after Trump refused to have the Treasury pay. Bloomberg has also invested $500 million dollars in a clean energy invention development initiative that aims to produce 100% of the nation's energy from clean sources by 2030. So, I say that he is doing a lot more than talking about the problem.

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k2qb3

(374 posts)
8. The more we learn about the scale of the problem the harder that becomes.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020

Our whole civilization is built on grain agriculture and that's really the root of the problem.

I'd be happy just to see meaningful policy objectives, but that's getting harder all the time too.

ETA- yeah carbon offsets are a bad joke, many of them are actually harmful, biomass and palm oil farms make matters worse.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
9. yes, its hard. that is why it is important to take all the steps we can
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 04:03 PM
Feb 2020

as individuals and a nation.

I have a high school down the street. I live in a town with mass transit...but yet there are hundreds of students driving .5-5 miles in a car alone rather than taking mass transit.

its a good school in a good relatively affluent community but they aren't willing to inconvenience themselves.

I don't expect the young to save us.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. Bloomberg has paid around $6.5 million per year to the UN
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 07:05 PM
Feb 2020

to keep the USA current in the Paris Climate change agreement, after Trump refused to pay from the Treasury. Bloomberg has also put $500 million dollars into a clean energy development consortium. He is doing a lot more than installing solar panels and driving an E Car.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
12. GOP was able to effectively dismiss Gore because Gore wasn't walking the walk
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:02 PM
Feb 2020

Surely Bloomberg owns a piece of property somewhere where he can put on a solar array..even on top of an office building.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. My guess is his buildings have energy saving features, which is effectively
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:22 PM
Feb 2020

putting up solar panels. Wall Street has been into energy conservation for more than a decade, everything from the windows to cooling and heating systems saves energy. It is a cost thing for them, they save millions per year in energy costs.

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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
14. and honestly I knew Bloomberg was actively working on actions to address climate change
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:24 PM
Feb 2020

I wanted to know more about the other candidates.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. That really should be a debate question.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:00 PM
Feb 2020

It is one thing to talk about banning fracking, but has a person walked the talk with their past personal decisions. For example, if Bernie Sanders don't have solar panels or windmills at his three homes to save energy, can he really criticize a guy like Bloomberg's energy policy?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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