For everyone going crazy over Joe Biden and his comment "lying dog faced pony soldier"

[Fla Dem]

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Biden jokingly calls woman at campaign event 'a lying dog faced pony soldier'

BY REBECCA KLAR - 02/09/20 02:59 PM EST
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/482241-biden-calls-woman-at-campaign-event-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier

[samnsara]

1. yep its from a john wayne movie.....

...sometimes he goes over peoples heads with his home town sayings..

[zackymilly]

25. Well the movie was from 1959, so a large group of us weren't even born then. n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

32. It might as well have been from 1859

You can't do that stuff and not expect to be called out.

Period.

Why does this happen so often?

[zackymilly]

34. Awwww, that's just Joe. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. Sorry, it was so funny, I forgot to laugh!! NOT!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[katmondoo]

42. I could never watch John Wayne movies. Always boring to me.

[Meadowoak]

53. I thought I was the only one.

[Iliyah]

2. The 24/7 smear campaign continues . . .

[Cirque du So-What]

9. Oftentimes...

Joe Biden provides the material himself, and then his supporters call it a ‘smear’ when others point it out. I’m 65, and I’d never heard that line before - yet he assumed someone much younger would understand. That’s the thing about attempting ‘folksy’; you run the chance of coming off as insulting or obtuse.

[TwilightZone]

15. Is the reverse true?

For the sake of argument, if someone like Yang used a phrase that some older voters wouldn't understand, do the same standards apply? Is that insulting as well?

Or does it only apply to older candidates making statements that 100% of the audience won't get?

[Cirque du So-What]

16. I dunno

I’ll weigh in if that hypothetical situation if it ever advances past the straw-man stage.

[TwilightZone]

17. It's not a strawman.

If we're only going to apply the "dumb down what you say" rule to certain candidates, I think that's a problem. Obviously, you don't and that's fine.

[Cirque du So-What]

20. Until there's an example

It’s a straw man. Theoretically, I believe it would be wrong for a younger candidate to ridicule someone for not understanding a ‘hip’ cultural reference. Let me know when / if it ever happens.

[whathehell]

41. So who's "ridiculing" a younger person for not getting an older reference?

Sounds like another straw man.

[Cirque du So-What]

46. Um, nobody

And I didn’t construct the straw man. Follow the thread and see that it wasn’t me,

[whathehell]

62. Um, than what was the comparison?

[Cirque du So-What]

64. One that I didn't , um, originally make

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=493334

Taking notes is encouraged if you are having trouble keeping up.

[whathehell]

65. Um, your link clearly shows a younger/older voter comparison

and the discussion itself would have to be a lot more compelling for me to concern myself with "keeping up" with it.

[MarcA]

44. ".. his supporters call it a 'smear' when others point it out." Exactly. n/t

[wnylib]

47. i'm 70 and I never hesrd the line before

either, but I was never a fan of John Wayne or of westerns

However, without knowing the source of the comment, I could tell that the words themselves were so out of mainstream conversation that they had to benan intentional exaggeration to make a joke. That was further made clear by his soft tone when saying them. His young audience perceived it as a joke, too, and laughed. They probably did not know the source and chalked it up to "old guy" talk, meant to be funny, not insulting.

We're shooting ouselves in the foot by attacking each other over things like this. Time to stop looking for insults to get enraged over among our own..

Instead of claiming misogyny or racism over this remark, it's more productive to have a rational discussion over whether this kind of comment can hurt him in the general election and weigh that against his considerable experience for handling the mess Trump has made. Also discus his ability to draw votes, or not, across the country.

Weigh his chances in the general vs. the chances of candidates who must continually defend and explain their positions while identifying with a term that the majority of Americans automatically reject, e.g. socialism. Personally, I support some social-economic changes, but tagging them with the word "socialism" invites rejection. Please don't flood me with explanations of what it means; I get it. But the general population will not.

A good running mate for Biden could help him in the general, like Klobuchar. Bernie and Eluzabeth can still promote their changes from within the Senate if they don't win the nomination.

Just stop the cannibalistic fights, please. They play into the Trump strategy of division.

[Maggiemayhem]

48. I'll be 65 in a few months

I never heard that ever. Why would yo call a female dog faced?

[ahoysrcsm]

66. Don't forget the "lying" and "pony soldier" parts.

The middle looses meaning without it.

[UniteFightBack]

26. +1000

[oldsoftie]

37. Unfortunately its not a "smear" when he actually said it.

And its something that isnt a common phrase, so its understandable that people would be surprised.
You have to THINK before you speak when you're a candidate. Unless you're trump. then anything goes.

[Lordquinton]

56. If this is considered a smear

you haven't seen what the candidate is gonna face in the general.

[BusyBeingBest]

3. He needs to retire that line. I'm 50 and have never seen a John Wayne movie besides

occasional bits and clips on TV. Pretty sure no one in this young woman's generation would get the reference either. Kind of reinforces the out-of-touch charge.

[jg10003]

13. red river, the quiet man, they were expendable, Donovan's reef.

You are missing out on a lot of great movies.
🙂

[BusyBeingBest]

19. LOL, perhaps. He was a figure from my grandparents' era

like Lawrence Welk and Bing Crosby.

[Cirque du So-What]

22. 'I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.'

I’ll take a hard pass on anything John Wayne-related.

https://www.military.com/off-duty/2019/02/22/john-waynes-racist-comments-lack-wwii-service-resurface-intense-debate.html

[emulatorloo]

61. Indeed. People who don't know Howard Hawks and John Ford classics are missing out

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. True dat!! It was unfortunate Joe said it...he should apologize immediately to her!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[loyalsister]

36. If a kid would get in trouble for saying it at school

it's probably best to find something else to say. I don't understand how an experienced politician has this much trouble with a very easy rule of thumb. Trump has never been held accountable and I am not abou5t to give the benefit of the doubt to a Democrat for something that I have thought about Trump all along. If you don't want to see a particular behavior among kids bullying each other, it is absolutely a deal breaker for a candidate.

[virgogal]

45. I'm 85 and had no idea where it came from. It was a stupid thing to say-----to anyone.

[BusyBeingBest]

54. Yeah, I'm with you there.

[trueblue2007]

4. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooo Joe. call out the liars !!!

[CentralMass]

5. Hadn't heard a thing about it until you posted an article about it.

[krissey]

6. So, not liking Biden calling a young woman a liar on national tv is going "crazy".

[Baclava]

18. Biden calls woman "dog face", stop there,how many times will she hear this for the rest of the year?

[DesertRat]

7. Here's a longer video

Last edited Sun Feb 9, 2020, 05:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Link to tweet

[TrunKated]

51. so it was just a throw away comment....

Spoken with no hate or anger.

Thanks for the longer clip.

Yeah, this us truly nothing.

[pnwmom]

8. At best, this joke dates him. He shouldn't be doing anything to remind us how old he is. n/t

[Funtatlaguy]

40. Bingo

[Cha]

10. Oh the humanity.. It "dates him".. Don't think

Biden's ever misrepresented how old he is.

[Quackers]

11. It makes him look out of touch. Even if it was a joke, it wasn't a good look. nt

[Cha]

12. And yet, I still want him for President.

[Quackers]

14. That's fine. Nothing wrong with supporting your candidate. nt

[Cirque du So-What]

49. Yep, Joe's the one alright

For Democrats who want to nominate a presidential candidate with a vast library of half-remembered old Westerns floating around in their brains, there’s only one choice.

[Cha]

52. Your Smears on Joe Biden are Not working.

[Cirque du So-What]

57. He said it, so where's the smear?

You may consider it charming; others, not so much.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

69. they're all crazy 'cept you an' me ...

And sometimes I 'ave me doubts about you!

I suspect that sometime in the near future, Joe will once again use some phrase, slang or idiom from two generations ago and spark frantic pecking and swiping at smartphones, after which one generation will sagely claim to have known about it all along while another will quickly adopt it as the latest cool thing.

Ah, the agony of having a candidate who knows more than, "Gimme!" and grade school bully nicknames.

[Cha]

70. That's ok.. I have

my doubts, too.

Lol! Mahalo, Hermit!

[treestar]

67. Out of touch with what?

He's in touch with foreign policy and government functioning. That's what we need.

Plus he's certainly more "in touch" than Dotard.

[pnwmom]

63. He doesn't need to remind us by making a young woman think she's being insulted.

"Dog-faced"? He should have known better. His famous empathy was missing in that moment. He should have realized that she had to be brave to stand up and ask that question at all. She deserved a thoughtful response, not a joke that could come off as an insult.

Seems like a dumb way to ask for college students' votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-jokingly-calls-voter-who-asked-about-iowa-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier/2020/02/09/9e8da478-4b75-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html

What happened next left her a little shaken, Moore said.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. Can someone explain the joke to me? Because I don't get it.

Is "lying" the funny part, or "dog faced," or "pony soldier"? Or is it the combo all together that makes it okay to throw at someone asking a question in good faith at a town hall?

[BusyBeingBest]

23. If you imagine it in John Wayne's voice, as I'm trying to do, it's kinda funny...

[Blues Heron]

35. Wayne doesn't say it - According to Joe the Indian chief character calls Wayne that

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/joe-biden-calls-someone-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier-for-the-second-time

[BusyBeingBest]

39. Ah well, there goes that.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

68. John Wayne was a horrible, racist, homophobic piece of shit.

Every Western he did was also horribly racist. We don't need to keep romanticizing anything he did.

[Zolorp]

24. Obviously, Trump isn't the ONLY candidate terrified of Uncle Joe.

[UniteFightBack]

28. +1000

[still_one]

43. the Biden haters will use any excuse to bash him. They have done this since he entered the race

I remember the faux outrage months ago when he complemented a little girl. Her parents were thrilled, the little girl was thrilled, the only ones not thrilled were the Biden haters

[stonecutter357]

27. good let's go Joe !

[Beartracks]

31. Glad to see the headline used "jokingly" because that was very clear from the video.

I didn't recognize the phrase as having come from a John Wayne movie, and yet I could still tell he used it as a "pretend" insult to the student as part of his friendly back-and-forth with audience members.

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[Prosper]

38. There was absolutely nothing mean in his tone.

When I listened to it his tone was amicable and friendly. And he was smiling.

[Dukkha]

50. Performance Woking Twits at it again

[DarthDem]

55. I Absolutely Cannot Tell Whom the Russians Don't Want as the Democratic Nominee

I mean, it's utterly impossible. What a conundrum!!

[SamKnause]

58. I will be 67 in June.

I have watched many John Wayne movies.

I have never heard that expression or quote.

[cannabis_flower]

59. I would have been offended and shocked

If anyone called me dog-faced or horse-faced. Unless someone insults you first, those are fighting words. It is inappropriate for a candidate to use words like that no matter who or when someone else said them.

[ejbr]

60. Never heard the quote

When I first heard him say it, I was shocked, but then I heard his tone and figured it was a Bidenism. Nothing to see here.