Should Biden end is campaign after calling woman in NH a "lying dog-faced pony soldier?"

[Renew Deal]

WAPO: Biden jokingly calls voter who asked about Iowa a ‘lying dog-faced pony soldier’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-jokingly-calls-voter-who-asked-about-iowa-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier/2020/02/09/9e8da478-4b75-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html

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	Yes, he should end his campaign ASAP
	6 (18%)
	No, he should remain in the campaign
	27 (79%)
	Not Sure
	0 (0%)
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[TwilightZone]

1. Gotta love the flood of intentionally misrepresentative posts about this.

Just another day on DU.

[Renew Deal]

3. What is misrepresentative

It's a direct quote and link to a mainstream source

[lapucelle]

13. No, Biden shouldn't end his campaign. N/T

[TwilightZone]

22. The title of your other thread on the subject is misleading and disingenuous.

As you're well aware.

[AncientGeezer]

30. Yet here we are with attempt #2....and didn't vote in his/her own poll..things that make you go hmm

[snowybirdie]

2. This is an awful post

This campaign season is getting uglier and uglier. Optimum word in this screed is "jokingly" . Or are you against a sense of humor or a light hearted moment in a difficult campaign?

[Renew Deal]

4. Would you find it funny if Trump said it?

[Jedi Guy]

5. That's not really a fair comparison.

Trump has a history of making mean-spirited, cruel remarks towards people he perceives as against/beneath him. He doesn't laugh with people, he laughs at people, and worse, he encourages others to do the same.

If the office bully says to me, "You're a dumbass" and the office clown says the exact same thing, I know that one intends it to wound and the other intends it as a joke. You have to consider the source.

Joe Biden is a long way from mean-spirited and cruel. Calling for an end to his campaign over this is circular firing squad nonsense.

[Renew Deal]

7. Biden may deserve the benefit of the doubt, but it doesn't make it any more acceptable.

I don't know any kind of serious candidate that would make a comment like that about another person.

[Jedi Guy]

15. If you choose to get worked up about it, that's your prerogative.

To me this is a big ol' nothingburger. And tacitly suggesting in your poll that he should end his campaign is just silly. The people in the room evidently didn't think it was a grievous insult against the young lady in question. This is by no means similar to Trump's behavior, and trying to draw a line between the two is extremely disingenuous, in my opinion.

[krissey]

23. It is a silly poll, the young woman was shaken, and of course the room felt it funny.

How cavalierly the young woman is dismissed because of Bidens clumsiness and supporters willingness to embrace the error.

[Jedi Guy]

31. The article says she was "shaken."

I saw another post which referred to a video wherein she was laughing as well, and smiling. If she elaborates more and says she felt his words were inappropriate, I'll reassess my view of the matter. On the evidence presented as of this moment, I'm not jumping on the outrage bandwagon.

[krissey]

34. Laughing is a pretty common reaction when faced with something uncomfortable.

She stated she was shaken by the comment and flummoxed but I have heard enough replies dismissing her or reiterating she is a liar, that I am done. I can go forward in good conscience standing up for the young woman, even if only one of the few. I am done. Blows my mind.

[Jedi Guy]

39. I don't think she's lying, and I think her question was honestly meant.

I also think Joe's response is being blown way out of proportion. She was "shaken" per the article, and you're saying she was "flummoxed." Is she upset? Angry? Does she feel like he humiliated her? Does she feel that his response was mean-spirited? If she speaks further on the matter and says any/all of those things, then I'll criticize Joe. As of now, this seems like much ado about nothing to me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. Don't really think an undecided should be smearing. No

one should. But most of all undecideds.

[trueblue2007]

8. it is, i reported it. i would report if this was about ANY of our candidates. IT is NOT news.

it is trolling in my opinion. who. really. cares.

[krissey]

10. After the joke he told her "you gotta be honest". The laugh was at whose expense?

[Hav]

6. No, but he should know

that every word gets parsed to the extreme during a campaign and as others have already said, he should just retire lines like these. Even without any bad intent behind the line, it's still something that should be avoided. A veteran politician and his advisors should know that.

Just be more careful and don't deliver oppo campaign ads on a silver platter. On the other side, he'd lose much of his appeal if he'd change to only following a narrow script. He has to find that balance between being authentic and avoiding unnecessary errors.

[2naSalit]

36. +1

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. Good point.

[4139]

9. Call a woman you don't know "dog faced"???

very inappropriate joke Joe

[krissey]

11. The intent of the poll feels like it is to dismiss what Biden said to a young woman on national tv,

calling her a liar for a laugh, at her expense. How about if he doesn't end the campaign and he does not call people liars on national tv when they ask him a tough question. Both can happen.

[JudyM]

12. I don't think it's campaign-ending, but especially calling a woman dog-faced, regardless of the

historical context or social discomfort of the moment, is not demonstrating discretion.

Good humored social shaming is still social shaming... at best it was humorously passive aggressive. I feel for him, though, she went right to the heart of his weakest feature and he’s probably still struggling with his own questions about it.

[BeyondGeography]

14. No, just fire the staffer who made him say it and all will be fine

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. Which part is the joke: "lying," "dog faced," or "pony soldier?"

[USALiberal]

17. I am not a biden fan but this is a really stupid poll! Nt

[zackymilly]

18. Can you make one of the choices, "Awww that's just Joe"? n/t

[enough]

19. Seems like an inexplicably dumb thing for Biden to say. NT

[hlthe2b]

21. It was a line from a John Wayne movie and a joke.

[krissey]

24. At the expense of a young woman that was shaken by the joke. Not ok. Not end of the world.

And not ok.

[hlthe2b]

25. I'm alot more concerned about self-professed Democrat on this forum making such a poll.

Jokes fail. I'm sure he has or will apologize.

[krissey]

26. Ok. Ridiculous to ask if it should be the end of Bidens campaign. But, I won't dismiss the

young woman's experience by saying everyone in the room was in on the "joke". This is on Joe. He has done shit like this more than once, and I expect he will continue to do shit like this and we will be having the same conversations.

[Voltaire2]

29. it remains a stunningly dumb thing to say in public during a campaign.

It doesn't matter what the reference is, or what the context was, candidates have to be disciplined, and this candidate just can't seem to do discipline.

[hlthe2b]

37. #25

[hlthe2b]

20. After your previous post attacking Biden, I thought you'd be done. Apparently not.

This is disgustingly misleading. I'm ashamed of you.

[NoMoreRepugs]

27. Oh please. Next it will be about a belch

where someone didn’t say excuse me. Sometimes people are laughable, don’t you understand who we are running against????

[Squinch]

28. Should people stop asking asinine questions like this?

Yes

No

[Tiggeroshii]

32. He had a 4th place finish in Iowa likely because

This is how he treats voters. You can't expect people to want to vote for you while insulting them to their face every day.

[wnylib]

33. Hell no. Knock off the divisiveness

please. If he makes it to the general, he will be up against a criminal who says far worse things.

Biden's comment was said as a joke, and perceived that way by his immediate audience. He could have handled it better, but it was not a campaign ender -- unless people work at making it one.

I am disgusted with and PO'd at the people here who act like sharks circling blood when there is no blood there. You are creating the kind of division in the party that will hand the election to Trump.

[dalton99a]

38. No Democrat should be forced to drop out or resign anything unless and until convicted of a felony

Use the GOP standard

[BlueWI]

40. No.

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But he needs to stop the unforced errors and win a darn primary!

[Tom Rinaldo]

43. Too easy a question. NO n/t