NYT: Iowa Dem Party Won't Correct Errors

[Billsmile]

Iowa Democrats Won’t Correct Errors on Caucus Tally Sheets, Emails Show by Top Gabriel.

The worksheets could not be changed even if they contained mistakes, according to the lawyer for the state party, because they were a legal record and altering them would be a crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/iowa-caucuses-democrats.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes&fbclid=IwAR0p4MJsR0OAFqZ-IEivb1dOJzOG_mQdpYLlIhPx1uJoIFJ-KVWeAUGeO00

[evertonfc]

1. RIP

Iowa

[True Blue American]

3. Iowa is finished

As a first time Caucus state.

The head of the New Hampshire Democratic Party said both states were not representative of the Country and the system and were outdated.

[Fresh_Start]

2. mistakes always happened...

and always will happen.

get over it.
Pete won using normal caucus accuracy

[still_one]

8. I agree, but more important it won't significantly change a thing, and the costs involved aren't

worth it

[Kentonio]

4. Sounds like total horseshit

The stuff about it introducing ‘personal opinion’ to the process or the part on the form about it being a crime to misrepresent the results describe the initial process. Using them as an excuse for not fixing errors is insulting quite frankly.

This should be put in front of an Iowan judge as quickly as possible and correct delegate counts calculated ASAP.

[George II]

7. The caucus was conducted under the rules that Sanders' people insisted upon. Now they're not OK?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. THIS!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[BlueIdaho]

5. Just another reason

To completely ignore the Iowa results...

[RandySF]

6. How are they legal docs?

The state didn’t run that caucus. The Iowa Party Chair should be fired.

[Aaron Pereira]

9. Correcting mistakes would have been a great way to ensure trust in the process going forward.

Now the party will need to accept the fact that we'll need greater scrutiny of all results for the remaining primaries and caucuses. Really divisive move on their part and I'm sorry to see it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. It's unfortunate, but, in the end, the incorrect votes wont matter. With the help of We The People

Bernie's gonna crush all opposition and win this election EASILY, just watch. EVERYTHING I've forecasted has happened, notwithstanding all the naysayers who have bashed Bernie at every turn!!

Indeed, President Sanders will lead us to The Promised Land... now on THAT you can (correctly) COUNT!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Aaron Pereira]

12. Yep, we can and will win two fights.

One is the primary itself and the other is against the party. It's going to be tough but we will win.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Bernie is winning the fight, without havin to even "fire a shot"...that's cuz its a BATTLE OF IDEAS

that Bernie is winning... it's not even a close fight. Absolutely NOTHING can stop the Bernie Train from chuggin along, continually gainin momentum with each State stop for another primary win.

As more and more people come to realize that Bernie is the only antidote to that poisonous snake tRump, the more and more working class and poor folks will climb aboard the Bernie Train!! The penultimate stop is the Democratic nomination... last stop, the White House!!

ALL ABOOOOAAAARRRRD!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[ehrnst]

15. I just love country music!

[ehrnst]

14. "We" will "win the fight against "the Democratic party?"

Who's the "we?"

[Aaron Pereira]

16. The "we" is Sanders supporters.

Thought that was self evident but happy to clarify.

[ehrnst]

17. So Sanders supporters are "fighting the party?"

The Democratic Party, on whose ticket he agreed to run, knowing all the rules?

After all he was a superdelegate, so he knows exactly what he's getting into, yes?

[Aaron Pereira]

20. When the party tells you it's not going to use math to tabulate results they are fighting us.

Very sorry to see it turn out that way but we will fight back now with closer scrutiny and contests where they are necessary.

[ehrnst]

21. "The Iowa Democratic party" is "fighting us"

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By "us" you mean "not Democrats?"

Very sorry to see it turn out that way but we will fight back now...

[sheshe2]

22. Hm

Aaron Pereira
12. Yep, we can and will win two fights.

One is the primary itself and the other is against the party. It's going to be tough but we will win.

Which party are you talking about?

[Aaron Pereira]

23. When the party tells a candidate they won't use math to tabulate votes that's a fight.

Fighting back means insisting on greater transparency and accountability from the party in future caucuses and primaries.

[ehrnst]

24. So it's Sanders supporters you are saying will "fight back against the party?"

What "math" is "the party" refusing to use?

"The worksheets could not be changed even if they contained mistakes, according to the lawyer for the state party, because they were a legal record and altering them would be a crime."

Do you think Democratic party of Iowa has something in particular against Sanders, because Sanders did worse there in 2020 than he did in 2016? And they won't commit a crime because Sanders is unhappy?

Why? They were implementing the changes he demanded.

So a "lack of transparency and accountability" is something that's a dealbreaker for you?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287493842

[sheshe2]

25. Welp.

Aaron Pereira
23. When the party tells a candidate they won't use math to tabulate votes that's a fight.

They never said that, now did they? Perez called for a recanvas. The candidates themselves must call for it. And have.

Aaron Pereira
12. Yep, we can and will win two fights.

One is the primary itself and the other is against the party. It's going to be tough but we will win.

So what you are saying is that you want to primary the Democratic Party? Seriuously, you joined Democratic Underground to say you want to fight Our Party. Please stop. We are in a fight for our lives here.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Not to worry, Bernie is going to win the Democratic primary by a HUGE margin...

so the Iowa counting errors, which all seemed to go against Bernie, won't make the slightest bit of difference.

We The People will not be denied this time... it's Bernie's time to shine and light the way forward for Democrats and anyone else who wants to join The Revolution. Using an analogy from past Oldsmobile commercials, this ain't your grandfather's Democratic Party anymore.

It's 2020 and Bernie is leading us to a new dawn... it's a new, vibrant, energized Democratic Party that is bringing in new voters, disillusioned voters, voters who have felt like outsiders and uniting all of them with the Party stalwarts, who are ready to take back our country by STORM... and, more importantly, make it a country that looks out for it's most vulnerable, instead of corporate interests... a country for the working class and poor folks who are tired of always gettin shafted!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[ehrnst]

18. I LOVE Vicki Carr, too!!

[CentralMass]

26. What a pile of steaming horsehit. This is incident #1 in this primary.

[BusyBeingBest]

27. Welp, that smells.