Simple math is simple math

[William769]

14 is greater than 12. Primaries don't sound so bad after all, now do they?

[guillaumeb]

1. And 1

So at this point, we are guessing as to final results of a nationwide process.

[TwilightZone]

2. Yeah, it's not complicated.

Though, some seem to want to make it so.

[left-of-center2012]

3. It's time to move on

Is every primary/caucus now going to be contested?

[William769]

5. I'm not the one to be asked that question.

[Kentonio]

24. When we have photographic and witness evidence that the results are incorrect

Then yes they certainly should be. Reporting accurate results should be something everyone demands.

[krissey]

4. ;)

[DanTex]

6. Those aren't the vote totals from the Iowa Caucuses.

The math from the actual vote totals to those numbers is not simple at all.

[William769]

7. Correct, they are the delegate count.

Pretty simple to me.

[DanTex]

8. And all the people out there who think vote counts don't matter, they will probably agree with you.

I don't think I know a single person who doesn't think the winner of an election is the person who gets more votes. But I'm sure there are a lot of them somewhere.

[William769]

10. Vote counts do matter.

That why we need primaries, not caucuses.

[DanTex]

11. I agree with that.

[Agschmid]

16. Who got more votes in the 2016 General?

Did they win?

[squirecam]

13. Vote totals are not counted at the convention

Only delegates. Pete has more.

[W_HAMILTON]

9. Apparently simple math is hard...

Link to tweet

And this is from the MATH pin guy!

[William769]

12. I hope he can find New Hampshire.

[former9thward]

23. He thought a 6000 vote victory meant something.

In a Democratic election. I guess he was wrong....

[Cha]

29. Unreal... apparently it is hard

for some.

Pete Buttegeig wins in Iowa.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=483450

[Eric J in MN]

14. Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump

...but simple math says he got more Electoral Votes, so everything is fine with our election system?

[William769]

17. Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump in a election not a caucus.

Until some people wakeup & realize the difference. they are bound to repeat it.

Now Bernie could not beat Hillary in 2016 Iowa Caucus just like he didn't beat Pete in 2020 Iowa Caucus. I realize you have a problem with that...

[Eric J in MN]

19. A caucus is a type of election. NT

NT

[William769]

22. Word salad. nt

[Cha]

30. Ikr.. How 'bout that?

[W_HAMILTON]

18. Are Sanders supporters now complaining about the rules their candidate helped write?

[Eric J in MN]

20. This isn't about primaries versus caucuses.

Primary states also don't award Pledged Delegates based only on the statewide popular vote.

[W_HAMILTON]

21. I don't know what that has to do with anything.

If Sanders had a problem with the system in place, he should have included it in all the changes he personally requested after 2016.

[Kentonio]

25. No, we're complaining about results being reported incorrectly

And delegate counts being wrongly calculated. If we’re wrong then you’re of course free to mock after the recounts, but maybe wait until then.

[OnDoutside]

27. If that satisfies your desire for whinging rights, then fill your boots.

Hillary supporters have been relentlessly told to get over it for the last 3 years.

[dsc]

15. Something needs pointing out here

Primaries can also misallocate delegates in terms of popular vote.

In every state that has more than one CD, there are a block of delegates that get distributed proportionally state wide (those would, of course be distributed where a plurality of vote would equal at worse a tie for plurality of delegates) but each CD also gets delegates to distribute proportionally. In NC, we have 13 CD, which get between 4 and 9 delegates depending upon that CD's vote for Governor Cooper and Hillary Clinton in 2016. If several candidates get at least 15% in a CD with only 4 delegates then those CD's will be split 1 to 1 to 1 to 1 even if the vote split is 50%, 15%, 15%, 15% while in a 9 delegate CD that same split would be 6,1,1,1. Given that a candidate who is strong in the districts with few delegates might win a CD by say 10,000 votes and not net even one delegate if he or she does that in all the districts with 4 and 5 delegates (there are 8 total) then that would be plus 90k, if the large CD were 40%,40%,30%,14% with the candidate who did well in the other 8 districts being the 14 He could lose those 3 by a similar vote total but see 3,3,2 and 3,3,3 divisions meaning he would gave gained like 4 delegates in the 8 CD but lost 9 in the 3 CD a net loss of one.

[Kentonio]

26. Thanks. Informative post.

[Celerity]

28. +100000