Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:50 PM

Sanders glides toward primary day as moderates brawl

Politico

"It’s fratricide at the moment," said one Democrat.

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN and STEPHANIE MURRAY

02/09/2020 06:46 PM EST

PLYMOUTH, New Hampshire — Bernie Sanders was battered in Iowa with more than $800,000 in TV attack ads that labeled him a socialist and argued he couldn’t beat President Trump.

Here in New Hampshire, the opposite has happened: The airwaves are free of anti-Sanders spots in the days before the first-in-the-nation-primary, and he’s watching the moderates shank each other.

Tom Steyer is largely training his advertising firepower onto Pete Buttigieg and Joe Biden. The former vice president is mocking Buttigieg’s experience and targeting him in a digital spot. Fighting back against Biden, the ex-mayor says he’s tired of being a punchline.

The strength of the Vermont senator — who is polling first in the state with Buttigieg closely behind him — and the sudden lack of resistance to him on the airwaves is sparking anxiety among some moderate Democratic leaders.

“It’s fratricide at the moment,” said a prominent moderate in Washington. “It’s super bad. Too many mods against Bernie and a fading Warren. Very, very scary.”

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Sanders glides toward primary day as moderates brawl (Original post)	JoeOtterbein	Feb 2020	OP
nice pro sanders ad from the hacks at politico - truth is invincible sanders crashed in Iowa	msongs	Feb 2020	#1
you are calling a members daughter a hack over a difference in choice of candidates?	questionseverything	Feb 2020	#2
Thanks for pointing out the 6000 more votes! That means much more to me than any negative comment...	JoeOtterbein	Feb 2020	#4
i have a lot of respect for people that are not hiding their identities behind the net	questionseverything	Feb 2020	#11
Roughly the same turnout in two elections	relayerbob	Feb 2020	#6
so he tied for first or came in a close second	questionseverything	Feb 2020	#10
1st or second isn't the point	relayerbob	Feb 2020	#12
did u ask msongs ? since you are answering for her and all?	questionseverything	Feb 2020	#13
Just so you realize	relayerbob	Feb 2020	#3
This one did it last election.	JoeOtterbein	Feb 2020	#5
I'm tired of attacks	relayerbob	Feb 2020	#7
... and thank you	relayerbob	Feb 2020	#8
As I've said, Biden's attacks on Buttigieg are questionable. At this point, Biden would...	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#9

Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:54 PM

msongs (63,497 posts)

1. nice pro sanders ad from the hacks at politico - truth is invincible sanders crashed in Iowa

and the mighty myth of invincibility ate it

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:11 PM

questionseverything (8,327 posts)

2. you are calling a members daughter a hack over a difference in choice of candidates?

and how is getting 6000 more votes crashing?

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:22 PM

JoeOtterbein (6,662 posts)

4. Thanks for pointing out the 6000 more votes! That means much more to me than any negative comment...

...about Holly!

Thanks again!

(little smilie happy emoji guy bouncing up-and-down while waving!)

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:30 PM

questionseverything (8,327 posts)

11. i have a lot of respect for people that are not hiding their identities behind the net

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:23 PM

relayerbob (4,939 posts)

6. Roughly the same turnout in two elections

49.6% in 2016. 26.1% in 2020. That's a very significant drop in support ... unable to get tens of thousands to go out for him a second time. I wouldn't call that a resounding success.

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:29 PM

questionseverything (8,327 posts)

10. so he tied for first or came in a close second

love liz and biden but if second is unsuccessful I hate to think what 4th and 5th are

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:44 PM

relayerbob (4,939 posts)

12. 1st or second isn't the point

He had nearly 80,000 votes before and 40-some thousand votes this time. That's a major loss of support. If he had kept the same level of support, it should've been a runaway victory, in a caucus state where activists have a distinct advantage. But you asked why the word "crashed" was used .... there it is.

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:56 PM

questionseverything (8,327 posts)

13. did u ask msongs ? since you are answering for her and all?

we both know there were many more candidates in this caucus than last time so the vote naturally will be split...hopefully the democratic turnout in general will not have a major loss of support

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:18 PM

relayerbob (4,939 posts)

3. Just so you realize

That will end instantly once a nominee is chosen. Are the Sanders supporters ready to do the same thing if they lose?

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:23 PM

JoeOtterbein (6,662 posts)

5. This one did it last election.

Why not now?

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:24 PM

relayerbob (4,939 posts)

7. I'm tired of attacks

and have sent complaints to each campaign, each time they've done it, to stop.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:25 PM

relayerbob (4,939 posts)

8. ... and thank you

Sadly, I know too many who chose Stein or to sit it out last time

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:26 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

9. As I've said, Biden's attacks on Buttigieg are questionable. At this point, Biden would...

...be best served by Buttigieg winning NH. I think a lot of DUers recognize this, because there's post after post touting Buttigieg's "big" win in Iowa. Buttigieg isn't really that much of a threat due to his total alienation of Black folks and his lack of experience. He doesn't have the kind of following that can make up for that in the way Sanders does. Sanders losing NH would benefit Biden.

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