I know i have complained about polls frequently but

[tiredtoo]

Sharing this link to get some feed back. Just opinions please don't get all over my case. thanks friends.
Says Bernie leads trump more than any other candidate.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-poll-election-2020-biden-bloomberg-1483423?fbclid=IwAR0kpSDWHKg7kjDFWpEE52I0n3q5NzbZXkK6xGoYp3ZvVlfQzE_gHZML_Gk

[TwilightZone]

1. That appears to be the only recent poll with Sanders higher than Biden.

Well within the MOE, of course.

These polls have Biden with a slight edge over Sanders vs. Trump:

NBC News/WSJ
IBD/TIPP (Trump is +2 on Sanders)
LA Times/USC
ABC News/WaPo
Fox News

Most of the polls show several of our candidates with a lead on Trump.

Source for polls: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

All that being said, national head-to-head polls don't really mean anything. The important ones are head-to-head polls in swing states, especially the states we barely lost in 2016.

[tiredtoo]

3. Yes and i checked the date on article

it is listed as January 22.

[Downtown Hound]

2. The bottom line is most polls show either Sanders or Biden beating Trump

Which is why all this infighting and saying "Sanders can't win" or "Biden can't win" is stupid. We have a crop of great candidates running and they all have a solid chance of winning. I will vote for and be happy with any of them.

[tiredtoo]

4. Agree with you 100 percent. EOM

[Demsrule86]

6. Sander won't win period.

Sure he has my vote but he won't win.

[DanTex]

8. Seems to me that your personal dislike of Bernie is clouding your opinion of that.

Polls say otherwise. Prediction markets say otherwise. And the pundits making the argument that Bernie's not electable have a horrible track record of political forecasts.

[Demsrule86]

15. No, a person who is left will not win blue wall states...he will be attacked mercilessly and it

will stick as it is all new...If I thought he would win , I would vote for Sanders 100 times but he won't. He may lose states like Virginia and Delaware as well...it will be a huge loss like Dukakis and McGovern...I pray we keep the house if he is the nominee...that is what I believe. I hate Trump far more than I dislike Sanders. He would have my vote if I thought he could win. Sanders has my vote in a general.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Why doesn't trump trash Bernie? Stand corrected if he

has, I might have missed. Makes me think he wants him to win nom. I did hear him say BS was treated unfairly by HRC and party.

[Downtown Hound]

10. Are you for real?

His nickname for him is, "Crazy Bernie" and he has repeatedly warned against the dangers of a "socialist takeover." How is that not trashing Bernie?

[Demsrule86]

19. Why do you indicate you support Biden? Just wondered. In any case about Trump...

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-01-25/trump-defends-sanders-stoking-democratic-divisions

“I like Bernie,” Trump said on Tuesday. “I wish Bernie well. It will be interesting to see how he does. I think what happened to Bernie maybe was not so nice. I think he was taken advantage of. He ran great four years ago, and he was not treated with respect by Clinton.”

More stuff is available...Trump wants Sanders to be the nominee...which is why he went after Biden...

[Downtown Hound]

24. I support all Dems running except Tulski

And don't ever mistake Trump trying to stir division as him being nice.

[Demsrule86]

16. That is what I think Laura PourMeADrink...they want Bernie as the nominee...and will unload on him

if he wins...if Sanders doesn't win they will try to cause division because of his loss... like in 16.

[Downtown Hound]

11. I'll go by the polls and the changing demographics of the electorate

over your "expert" opinion, thanks.

[Demsrule86]

17. Ok...they haven't changed here in the Mid West...the left lurch is bullshit...all you have to do is

look at the Mid terms where 39 moderates flipped GOP seats and won back the house... those on the left flipped none. This is a center left country maybe even center right after Trump...and the Senate, the states show this clearly...and those who think the party should move left before the country will lose the 2020 election and beyond because the truth is without the blue wall states, we have no path to the presidency...now or in the future.

[Downtown Hound]

18. Polls look pretty good in the midwest

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_sanders-6850.html#polls

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_sanders-6768.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_sanders-6862.html#polls


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/wisconsin/


So again, I'll go by the polls and the changing demographics of the electorate.

[Demsrule86]

20. I live in the Mid West...and the polls you show me are pretty old...those done in the Mid West...

show a different story...say what you want but Sanders won't win a general when Trump gets done with him, he will lose the Blue Wall. But I think Biden wins or Bloomberg wins the primary and we have a chance.

[Downtown Hound]

25. And what polls are these that show a different story?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. The thing is...perhaps trump can't find anything on biden

He had to ask Ukraine to manufacture dirt. He hadn't even really lit into Bernie yet. Nothing against Bernie, just saying Trump's hell and fury hasn't been opened up on him yet.

Would change matchups IMHO

[Downtown Hound]

13. If they had anything truly damaging on Bernie, they would have released it long ago

As it is, all they really have is the "socialist" label. While that may freak out fat old white men and freepers, not too many others are really going to give a shit. That's wghere i think all the Bernie doomsayers are wrong.

The electorate is different today than it was 20 years ago. Way different. And the generations that have grown up with the failures of capitalism are now of voting age. The socialist label doesn't scare them anymroe. The cold war is over. And many of them are, in fact, drawn to it.

[Demsrule86]

21. Yeah, it is worse for us...20 years ago, we had a better shot at the senate.

[Downtown Hound]

26. We lost the Senate 20 years ago

It took 3 years of the most phony and bloody war in 30 years for us to win it back.

The old, white, conservative generations are dying out and being replaced by younger, more diverse voters. We are in a much better position to win elections by running on liberal ideas than we were 20 years ago.

[Demsrule86]

23. There is tons of opposition research that has not been released. And count on an invesitigation of

Jane with the college thing...

[Downtown Hound]

27. Whatever. After 4 years of Trump

Ain't nobody gonna give a shit.

[highplainsdem]

5. Here's a link to 538's compilation of general-election polls, so you can see a lot

of varying results, includig some polls where Trump beats all our top candidates, and some where all our top candidates beat him:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

And yes, there have been some polls where Sanders does as well as, or slightly better than, Biden against Trump.

There's also been at least one poll where Buttigieg did better against Trump than any other Democratic candidate.


My main caveat on ALL these polls is that, except for Biden, none of our candidates have been subjected to about a year of attacks by Trump and the GOP.

Biden's still polling well against Trump despite all the attacks. He does better against Trump than our other candidates in the vast majority of GE polls for the last year.

We simply have no way to know how well any of the other candidates will hold up under that sort of onslaught.

[Downtown Hound]

12. I really don't see many people, especially young people

of which there are quite a few this election, being all that much swayed by Trump's attacks. You give Trump too much credit if you think that his words are going to have much effect on anybody at this point beyind the cult that has already embraced him. And the truth is, I could see the opposite happening. The more Trump attacks Sander's as a socialist, the more I could see people, especially young people, being drawn to him.

[Demsrule86]

22. Young people are not reliable voters and will be swayed by the shit that will be unleashed...and AA

voters will need to turn out in big numbers for us in the Mid West ....really important...sanders doesn't do well enough with these voters.

[Downtown Hound]

28. Young voters doubled their

turnout in midterms between 2014 and 2018. Give them a candidate that really inspires them, and they'll do the same in 2020. They'll make up between 37% to 40% of the electorate in 2020. Win that overwhelmingly, and we could literally lose every other generation (although that's unlikely, Generation X, which makes up another 25%, leans liberal) and we could still win.

[Demsrule86]

30. There is no way they will make up that much of the electorate...

[Downtown Hound]

31. Facts don't care about your pre-conceived ideas

https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-millennials-generation-z-8c54a77a-c6f5-40bc-850c-95e4f1217e62.html

[Downtown Hound]

32. Oh, and there's this

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/

[carpetbagger]

14. Name recognition and perceived nominee status

Sanders has the first and not the second, so I think any difference will be favorable to him at this point. The trillion dollar question is how he handles a full, general campaign and whether he has resilience, whether he can sell his ideas of what he will actually do (or better yet, what he will keep Trump from doing in a second term), and whether he can navigate the inevitable minefield of the Lee Atwater playbook of banging home whatever questionable (or not questionable, I haven't looked that closely in Sanders' skeleton closet) garbage they can cook (Gore the liar, Obama the Black Panther, Kerry the Viet Cong, email, etc.).

[democratisphere]

29. I am ready to beat you with my Imprinted "Speak Harshly and Also Carry A Big Stick" Stick!

How dare you show US that MSM propaganda?!