Young Turks revs up attacks against Pete Buttigieg

[Legends303]

So Bernie's people are smearing Pete in full force since Iowa.I'm not going to link there videos but if you look at their youtube page, it's either Bernie was robbed narrative or Pete is corrupt narrative. I wonder if they are worried about Bernie's chances in New Hemisphere. If Bernie loses NH, expect there to be a huge meltdown.

[RandySF]

1. Right on queue

[Cha]

4. ..

"cue"

[msongs]

2. one wonders who is paying them... nt

[Zolorp]

5. Were they on Russian Times?

[msongs]

8. yes they were good little comrades on russia today at one point nt

[George II]

10. Who pays them? Russia Today and right winger Buddy Roehmer.

[Cha]

3. of course..

[krissey]

6. Nasty people.

[evertonfc]

7. I like Bernie

but some of his surrogates are flat out the worst. I mean, the are hostile to the party. Anyone they see as a threat they disparage and slander. Im so damn sick of these people.

[jr1118x]

9. to be fair

They do call themselves "Home of the Progressives" not Democrat news. Their perspective is pretty clear, they support progressive candidates and have even endorsed Sanders. Sure they are coming from a biased starting point, but you know that from the beginning and can choose to listen to them or not. As to the claims they are making about Pete, are they factually inaccurate, the couple clips I have seen it didn't seem like the information was off. I know sometimes not giving all the information can be as bad as giving false information but are there specific claims in which they either lied or omitted relevant facts on this particular story? I know I usually put them in the category of occasionally listen and fact check them. Even https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-young-turks/ lists them as almost extremely biased to the Left and Mostly True. It says in their a factual search did not find factual errors but they did not give them "high" due to their support of some pseudoscience subjects like GMOs.

I know funding is a sketchy issue and of course Cenk's past and even some recent comments but from a factual standpoint they do tend to get their facts right.

[OregonBlue]

16. My son started listening to them a few months ago

and he now hates the Democratic party. He's 43 and was a Dem all his life. They aren't just pro-Bernie, they are radically anti-Dem.

[PatSeg]

17. That's frightening

Splitting the Democratic party is exactly what Putin and Trump want.

[OregonBlue]

22. It is frightening. We can't even talk politics any more.

[PatSeg]

24. Yes, I know

It is like walking on eggshells with so many people now. Everyone is so hypersensitive these days. I am too at times. There is so much at stake, it is about so much more than politics.

[MH1]

25. And it's not a bit "progressive"

One thing that REALLY pisses me off is how a group of not-remotely-progressive people have co-opted the label "progressive".

[PatSeg]

26. That's a good point

I think some people mistake disruption and rebellion for "progressive". Lessons some of us may remember from the 1960s.

[MH1]

31. I think the ultimate policy goals they claim to support are mostly progressive - BUT

they completely misunderstand that progressivism is based on progress - having grand policy goals that have no way of being achieved, is not progress and is not progressive. They reject anyone who focuses on the intermediate, achievable steps that could move us to the ultimate goal.

And, there is a contingent of bullies which their leader does not shut down. Bullying is definitely not progressive.

[PatSeg]

35. I agree

It takes a pragmatist to bring progressive policies to fruition and most change comes incrementally. Sudden change not only is difficult to achieve, it also does not sit well with most people.

Yes, bullying is not progressive and rarely brings about positive change. Could destroy a party however.

[jr1118x]

20. More important question would be why he feels that way

Well is it that the Dem party does not align with his views or what? It's like the parent blaming science for their child leaving the church. Is it because of propaganda or is it he just realized his views may not be in line with a party. It does seem as a party we are at a crossroad from told guard and the younger more progressives. This article is a little older but talks about the shift in ideology https://news.gallup.com/poll/246806/understanding-shifts-democratic-party-ideology.aspx . That is the part that worries me it seems like a lot of the leadership is more on the older conservative and moderate perspective.

I know I am the same age as your son and I would say I identify further left and to me it sometimes seem like the party itself can be resistant to change and leaves people frustrated, but especially as more seasoned party members die off or canidates retire the party is in a tug of war. I dont think a fracture or a third party is a good idea, but if leadership continues ues to be openly hostile or dismissive to the more progressive people I think it will drive a wedgie further.

I really dont know the right answer or choice but to me it seems odd to blame a news outlet for someone leaving a party. We have to figure a way and fast to include all spectrums but really there is a world of spectrum between someone like AOC and someone like Manchin. It's not that either are bad but on many issues they are not in agreement and the same is true of the supporters and voters.

The party is closer to my ideological alignment to any party so I align with the Democrat identity but I do lean more left so I identify with and will choose a more liberal candidate in a primary. I think that is the purpose of the primaries is to choose who we want to represent us and then in general elections support the party even if may not be an ideal candidate it still is usually more closely aligned than the alternative.

[OregonBlue]

23. He's always been furyhed left than me but he did not hate the moderates

in the party until he started watching Young Turks and the rest of them.

[jr1118x]

27. Maybe the anger/ hatred will pass

Sometimes when we first open our eyes to things wether politics religion ect we can have a tendency to respond with anger. Maybe hes starting to see things from a viewpoint more in line with him and it's a outward display of his frustration realizing some of the questionable things between the factions within the party. A lot of times the emotions pass and then become more level headed. Who knows though, could just stay angry but that takes a lot of effort.

[BeyondGeography]

33. Home of Bernie is more like it

All of these so-called “progressive” online shows are nothing more than Bernie TV. No one has ripped Warren harder than them.

[Skidmore]

32. Sanders' choice of people to associate with

or select as staff/surrogates is concerning. There is not one among them that I consider worthy of Cabinet level office. I also do not think that he is capable of working toward solutions to problems with a wide range of people. We need someone with good judgment.

[ehrnst]

37. +1000.

[wyldwolf]

11. they're still relevant?

[relayerbob]

12. Fortunately

The vast majority of people neither know who they are, nor care.

[Celerity]

13. New Hemisphere is the only place where MFA would pass in a Congress ideologically composed like the

US's is.

I wonder if they are worried about Bernie's chances in New Hemisphere. If Bernie loses NH, expect there to be a huge meltdown.

[unitedwethrive]

14. But if Bernie loses NH, we can be comforted with the fact that they won't concede for

at least six more months.

[PatSeg]

18. True

Somehow, I think we've seen this movie before, sigh.

[whistler162]

21. If Senator Sanders loses or

comes in second in New Hampshire we will see a meltdown from berniebots the likes we haven't seen since 2016.

[Capt. America]

15. In fairness they also don't care for Biden, Warren, Steier and Klobichar.

[PatSeg]

19. Yes

In other words, anyone who is a Democrat.

[Capt. America]

34. Boom! There it is.

[Laelth]

28. Sad. n/t

-Laelth

[sellitman]

29. Pete might be this years Bill Clinton

Out of nowhere......all the way to The White House.

Hoping!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. But there are no such things as Bernie Bros.

Or so we’ve been told.

[Zolorp]

36. Not surprised by this behavior by the Young Russian Times guy

He's a misogynist and an Armenian genocide denier, so homophobe is not a stretch for him.