James Carville Warns Against Dems Nominating Bernie Sanders (Mediaite article with video)

[highplainsdem]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/i-dont-want-to-be-in-a-cult-james-carville-warns-against-dems-nominating-bernie-sanders/

Carville drew a great deal of attention in the last few days for how profusely he has spoken against Sanders as the Democrats’ choice to put against President Donald Trump. When he joined Morning Joe on Monday to talk about the state of the race, Carville went full throttle as he warned that “the party has got to know who it is and who its constituents are.”

“The only thing, the only thing between the United States and the abyss is the Democratic Party. That’s it. If we go the way of the British labor party, if we nominate Jeremy Corbyn, it’s going to be the end of days…So I am scared to death, I really am.”

Carville went on to say that African American voters aren’t interested in “foolishness” like revolution and socialism, “they’re interested in somebody that’s going to come to them and articulate a vision as to how they fit into this country.”

“If we lose that, we’re going to be the British labor party and be out some theoretical left-wing la la land,” Carville said. “I’m afraid that Donald Trump is going to get re-elected and I have to do this four more years and I don’t think we can make it. I really don’t…The country can’t continue like this.”

He went on to say that "a certain part of the Democratic Party...wants us to be a cult" and he isn't interested in being in a cult.


Video at the link.

[obamanut2012]

1. He needs to worry about his wife voting for Trump, not this

And, I say this as someone who does NOT want Sanders to be the nom.

[highplainsdem]

3. So no Democrat with a Republican in the family should be allowed to express an opinion? Carville

changing his wife's mind isn't going to have much effect.

[Buckeyeblue]

24. I think Carville is someone to be listened to.

I would like to understand from the Sanders group why they think people will be enthusiastic about him?

[KPN]

44. Well, just look at the polls. Sanders head-to-head with tRump

wins in virtually every poll.

[Butterflylady]

25. His wife disowned the repug party

And is now an independent.

[mainstreetonce]

2. I heard him

He made a huge amount of sense,except he is backing a candidate whose name is nowhere.
We don't need another choice.
We need to get behind one of the top contenders

[tiredtoo]

4. Carville, sad to say, is living in the past.

I still get a kick out of some of his comments, but he is no longer prevalent in Democratic circles.

[highplainsdem]

7. Did you watch the video? He had some really nice things to say about Warren, though he

also said she "made a mistake trying to chase Bernie Sanders."

[tiredtoo]

10. yes i watched the video

But i am a vote blue no matter who person and do not like when people bash Democratic candidates. With possible exception for the DINO Tulsi Gabbard.

[highplainsdem]

16. I have no doubt that Carville is also a Vote Blue No Matter Who person and will vote for Sanders

if he's the nominee.

But he's obviously afraid Sanders will ruin the party and lose to Trump, and he isn't the only one who thinks a Sanders nomination could be a disaster for Democrats.

[BKDem]

28. I'm with you regarding Tulsi.

I don’t consider her a Democrat.

[Demsrule86]

14. Carville is right.

We nominate a left candidate in a center left may even center right since Trump, we lose. The house majority was won with moderates...and we could lose the house if we nominate Sanders. I do think EW could move to the center and with the right VP could win...she is my second choice. However, Sanders has no chance...one has only to look at the numbers of us vs GOP types in the states and the Senate to see the truth..the left can likely spoil an election maybe ( we may offset with suburban women)but they wont win an election. That being said I vote blue no matter who. Folks need tor realize not only can Trump get elected, he is likely to get elected. We need to fight with everything we have...and it still boils down to blue wall states .

[tiredtoo]

31. I may be wrong but,

I think trump is going to lose Michigan. Still have many trump cultists here but, many who sat out last election have become "woke".

[Demsrule86]

34. Michigan isn't enough...he need PA and WI as well...I don't think he wins the blue wall states...

Michigan is not progressive...moderate.

[tiredtoo]

59. I thought you were talking about trump

not establisment/progressive.

[saidsimplesimon]

5. Not sure Carville is the best standard bearer

for the Democratic Party of today.

He is correct in warning that Sanders is not offering a way for winning the general election. It's a cult and the majority of voters are centrists, both parties. imo

“If we lose that, we’re going to be the British labor party and be out some theoretical left-wing la la land,” Carville said

[Malmsy]

30. Agreed! (eom)

[Demsrule86]

36. The left part of the party has less representation and seats today than in Carville's time.

And we have a much worse senate our only opportunities are in red states this year...so no Carville is correct...I don't think Sanders ET AL are the best standard bearers for this at center left country.

[JoeOtterbein]

6. Carville reminds me of my neighbor yelling loudly,...

..."you kids get off my lawn"!

[highplainsdem]

8. Funny, that's the kind of person Sanders reminds me of.

[JoeOtterbein]

12. I can see that too!

[aeromanKC]

9. I don't want to be in a cult.

Bumper sticker Worthy!!

[Perseus]

19. Sorry but from what I have seen, all candidate supporters are behaving as if part of a cult as well.

When you have a supporter say "The more negative things you say about my candidate, that being Biden, the more I am going to support him." those are signs of fanatic behaviour, and when negative comments are spout without support of facts against an opponent, that is also signs of fanatic behaviour.

The constant bashing of Sanders is going to be a negative for all, no matter who wins the nomination, whether it is Sanders, or Biden, or anyone else.

This has to stop, we are slowly becoming angry at those who do not support our candidate, and it will turn out really bad, passions are too strong and I believe they are starting to become fanatical, it cannot turn out well for November. We are shooting ourselves on the foot willingly, this is crazy.

[LeftTurn3623]

11. well anyone in NH not voting for Pete is casting a vote for Bernie

Pete is the only one that has a chance to knock Bernie off - then in Nevada moderate voters need to vote for Biden then SC Biden again

Because Bernie is about to become a run away freight train and there is no stopping it - headline out on NH better be Bernie falls

[Demsrule86]

17. I don't disagree...and think looking at how successful Butiigieg has been that maybe a VP slot would

work...he is from Indiana...and would help with young voters...don't think anyone can help with some Sanders voter who are only going to vote for us if Sanders is the nominee.

[highplainsdem]

18. If no one else in our party can beat Sanders, Bloomberg probably can. And then beat Trump.

[Perseus]

13. If they continue to bash Sanders and his supporters then, no matter who the nominee is

the con will win a second term. Stop the bashing of candidates, this is going to end very bad, all the hate that is being promoted will not do well to any side, to any candidate.

I cannot believe this is happening.

[Demsrule86]

15. Or if the Sanders campaign continues to boo, lie and bash other candidates we will lose no matter

who the nominee is...vote blue no matter who .

[Perseus]

21. We don't know who the people booing really are from, it is an assumption, they could be trolls

and we are eating it.

Amy Klobuchar was very wrong about addressing those people booing her as Sander's supporters. We are slowly creating an incredible division within the Democratic party, how can that go well?

We all know there are a lot of trolls creating discourse and we are helping them do that. We cannot prove those were real Sanders supporters, and I know I already said it, but Amy was very wrong addressing them that way.

Today it is ALL against Bernie because he seems to be showing the highest promise to become the nominee, do any of you remember when Biden was it and everyone went after Biden? Kamala harris went after Biden, Buttigieg went after Biden, many others who are not running anymore went after Biden, so now they all go after Sanders because he is up? How naive can we be? This is a power struggle and nothing else, and as we come up with negative attacks, whether they are true or not, all we are doing is feeding the republican propaganda machine that doesn't care about facts.

I repeat...THIS WILL NOT TURN OUT WELL...REMEMBER 2016.

[Demsrule86]

47. The booing was led by Sander's campaign leaders who also laughed at Joe's stutter...sorry Sanders

campaign is awful...shouldn't have hired Stein voters. Sander was there also.

[highplainsdem]

20. Sanders supporters and surrogates have been attacking his rivals, including Warren -- despite

the non-aggression pact she and Sanders had -- for months now, and Sanders has bashed his rivals, too.

They call Warren a snake.

They call Buttigieg "Mayor Cheat."

But if a strategist like Carville points out how far left Sanders is, OMG that's horrible! That's "hate" and "bashing"!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

22. When was the last time James Carville was relevant?

[SergeStorms]

39. He can be irrelevant for decades....

but don't discount everything he says now because of that. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. I believe Carville to be correct in his opinion about Sanders. In 2016 the country went to one extreme (s)electing Trump. It would be a horrible mistake, IMO, to swing the pendulum too far to the left to correct that 2016 swing. This country needs stability now and for the near future, not far left socialistic "give everything away for free" programs that would scare the bejebus out of normal Americans.

[LakeArenal]

41. No kidding. That being said...

I still enjoy a good Carville rant.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

43. He is good for that.

Even if he's wrong.

[LakeArenal]

45. 😉

[redstatebluegirl]

23. He is right.

[tritsofme]

26. Hear Hear!

[Gothmog]

27. I agree with Carvile

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[highplainsdem]

29. So do I.

[melman]

48. Chris D. Jackson

That's the guy that likes to use racial slurs. No thanks.

[Gothmog]

50. What is false about these facts?

[melman]

53. You don't see the problem with the phrase "pack of gypsies"?

[George II]

56. You see the problem with the phrase "pack of gypsies"? Since you're the one who introduced it...

...into this discussion as "racist", why don't you explain it to us? If you can't, you probably don't think it really is.

[melman]

57. It's racist as hell

Any decent person can see that it is and it's beyond gross and ridiculous to pretend it's not.


I am not going to play the game of 'explaining' to you what is already plain to see.

[George II]

58. "Any decent person can see that it is" - so you're implying that I'm not a decent person?

[George II]

60. By the way, when I was working in an Emergency Room at a hospital on the upper east side.....

....of Manhattan, we had gypsies in the neighborhood. They alternately referred to themselves as a "band" and a "tribe", and even had their own hierarchy including a Queen. There was nothing ethnically specific to them, they were just people that felt comfortable together. Gypsy does NOT refer people of any specific race.

One time the Queen was admitted in the middle of the night, and the rest of her "band" or "tribe", or even "pack" if you will, set up a vigil in the waiting room until she was discharged.

It was a unique experience and no one - doctors, nurses, technicians - assigned any racial or ethnic significance to them. I suppose one could if one wanted, but it would have been a stretch.

[Gothmog]

63. I saw far too much of vetted sanders delegates at the National Convention

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders by Russia to suppress the African American vote just as was done in 2016

Link to tweet

Russia will just run material showing sanders delegates booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and others to suppress the vote of African American voters and I feel that this tactic would be very effective

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

This description may well fit as well as any other description

[George II]

54. Perhaps he did (sometime in the past), but so do....

Matt Orfalea, whose work Jane Sanders likes. He's the creator of the fake MLK speech entitled "I Have a Wet Dream".

David Sirota, whose racist work got him fired from a campaign in Philadelphia.

As for Chris D. Jackson, that tweet doesn't look racist unless of course he's referring to the race of the people Sanders' campaign sent to Biden's office, which he isn't. You do understand that the word "gypsy" doesn't refer to a person's race in America, don't you?

[OliverQ]

32. Carville also threw a temper tantrum during the 2018

election as results starting coming in saying how poorly Dems were doing and it was a disaster. And then Dems ended up with their best win in 50 years.

Why does anyone listen to Carville anymore?

[Perseus]

51. They seem to be listening to Carville because it fits their narrative

If Carville were saying something else then they would not be listening to him.

[Scurrilous]

33. Bernie barely registers with people his own age. Only the young. I wonder why?

Under 30

Sanders - 40%

Warren - 23%

Biden - 12%

Yang - 7%

Buttigieg - 5%

65+

Biden - 37%

Warren - 15%

Buttigieg - 8%

Bloomberg - 8%

Klobucher - 8%

https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/

[Act_of_Reparation]

37. Because when taken in aggregate, Boomers have been making awful decisions for forty years?

Just hazarding a guess.

[Desert grandma]

61. Not true

Boomers like me were those young people of Woodstock fame who fought and marched for civil rights and woman's rights. We were also the ones whose demonstrations helped end the Vietnam war. Unfortunately, our candidate, Robert Kennedy was assassinated. We couldn't vote until we were 21, and we remember the disaster of the George McGovern loss. We learned from that, and hence we are very wary about Sanders. It is not that we are bashing him or his supporters. We just don't want to make that mistake again.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. I wonder why you went out of your way to dig up a separate unflattering image of a younger person

to go with the article you linked?

Something you want to say, but think you can only get away with in image format?

[Nanjeanne]

35. I'm going to agree with Pres. Obama's take on James Carville back in 2008.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/05/obama-on-carville-famous-for-ignorance-008440

"Well, you know, James Carville is well-known for spouting off his mouth without always knowing what he's talking about," Obama told "Nightline." "And I intend to stay focused on fighting for the American people because what they don't need is 20 more years of performance art on television. And that's what James Carville and a lot of those folks are expert at ... a lot of talk and not getting things done for the American people."

[Tiggeroshii]

38. "If we nominate Jeremy Corbyn, Its going to be the end of days."

Wel that's good. Because we are not nominating Jeremy Corbyn. He isnt even running for the Democratic nomination.

[johnthewoodworker]

42. I will wholeheartedly support any candidate who accurately describes the cat grabber, and

republicans, as fascists. If any candidate is operating from the standpoint that republicans will come to their senses once the cat grabber is gone, we are doomed. Don't bring fruit salad to a gunfight.

[EveHammond13]

46. Berine will be destroyed by trump.

[melman]

49. Obama on Carville: Famous for Ignorance

[George II]

52. Great to see that people, politicians in particular, are held to each and every word they said....

.....even as long as 12 years ago.

Note Obama said "without always knowing what he's talking about" (i.e., he talks some or even MOST of the time knowing what he's talking about" ) I wonder what the context and situation was when made that comment? Sure, that's not important.

[Downtown Hound]

55. Carville is a pathetic has been

And even during his glory has been years, the Dems lost tons of elections. So he's the last person I'd be looking to for advice. I closed the book on him when he said Howard Dean's 50 state strategy had nothing to do with the Dems winning Congress in 2006. The Dems then got rid of Dean and went on to lose both the House and the Senate.


Why anybody listens to the fraud known as Carville is beyond me.

[Kid Berwyn]

62. Carville? The guy in Wealth Management at UBS?

Guy knows how to live large.

https://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/JamesCarville.html

[betsuni]

64. I agree, culty is weird.

[Gothmog]

65. Janes Carville was great

Link to tweet

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