So, in the minds of some D's, a woman might not be electable yet --

[pnwmom]

even a woman with all the qualifications of Warren or Klobuchar (or Harris).

And we know that because a woman ran once and she only won by 2.9 million votes -- except in the 3 critical states where she lost by a total of 80K.

But a 79 year old white male "socialist" Senator who recently had a heart attack and won't release his full medical records has a good chance.

And so does a 38 year old gay white male, whose only experience is as Mayor of a city of 100,000.

Also, America is totally ready for a the youngest or the oldest white male President ever -- just not for a woman, no matter how well qualified.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

1. I hope you're wrong. I'm currently in the "Biden camp", but ...

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... leaning toward Amy, possibly Pete.

I have until Mar 10 to figure this out.

But I'm not stressing about the decision or the outcome. I'll happily vote in Nov for whoever we pick.

[Fresh_Start]

2. just want to cry about the state of affairs

Sanders and Biden should both hold hands and walk off into the sunset.

[jimfields33]

27. Please add Bloomberg if we go that route.

I am voting for Bernie in Florida and hope he gets the nomination. I am voting for him to stop Bloomberg as an added bonus.

[cherryinpa]

33. Completely agree

The most shocking part of all of this for me is that so many are willing to support a Republican over Klobuchar and Warren just because they think he can somehow magically give them what they need.

Money can buy a lot, but it can't buy self-respect and it has a very corrosive effect.

If Biden drops out today then the default should be Klobuchar and Warren, absolutely no one else.

[Demsrule86]

3. I thought that at first...but have changed my mind. Warren is my second choice...with

a good VP she can win.

[pnwmom]

4. I think the right VP is critical to whoever runs -- and there are some excellent possibilities.

Please, though, someone more exciting than we got last time.

[abqtommy]

5. Hell, didn't we elect a WOMAN in 2016? Where u been?

[demigoddess]

8. +1!

[hedda_foil]

6. I've heard this from women I know. It makes me want to scream!

[mrs_p]

31. My own mother

Who taught me democratic principles.

Ugh.

[Squinch]

7. I think we can never underestimate how much many Americans (men and women) hate women.

I always do underestimate it. I just can't believe what I see over and over and over. But for this election, we must win, and I feel like I have to be brutally realistic.

I love Liz and Amy. But unless one of them really takes off by around Super Tuesday, I am going to have to assume they won't.

Liz is clearly the most qualified. No question. Her demeanor is the best, she is clearly the smartest.

But America hates women. This is constantly proven. And I can't live through another term with Filthy Donnie.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

14. In spite of Putin, 40 years of anti-Hillary propaganda by GOP, Comey, etc.,

Most voters chose Hillary in 2016.

We still have Putin, but the GOP hasn't been running a decades-long smear on Warren or Klobuchar, and we don't have Comey, and most people know Barr is as dirty as they get.

It is time for one of these two women to be President. It *will* energize the electorate.

[squirecam]

36. How many Warren voters

Would go to Amy vs Sanders?

Sadly I think it’s a small %.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

38. Dig around -- you might be surprised ...

Klobuchar is my 2nd choice and I've seen other Warren supporters on here voice the same.

Sanders is just above Tulsi on my ranked list, due to the divisive actions of his supporters which he does not curtail.

[demigoddess]

9. Apparently they never heard about Boudicea!

or that Julius Caesar said "if you meet a Celt in the woods you are in trouble, if you meet his wife, you are dead!"

[Squinch]

11. Boudicca didn't end well...

[demigoddess]

12. it is not how you end, but how you go on.

[Squinch]

25. Ok, but...

[demigoddess]

44. but she sure scared the Romans.

[MFM008]

10. Disagree

Totally.

[krissey]

13. Ah, "her" voice is hard to listen to, ya know. Lol. Thank you for saying this out loud.

[William769]

15. there is so much wrong with what you just wrote.

President Obama blew the ceiling off everything. Hillary again did it in 2016.

Just because you don't like the outcome so far in 2020 you are acting like change has never happened and are very disingenuous.

Pete maybe white but he's Gay and that's huge against your petty post.

[StevieM]

16. The fake email scandal would never have been a big deal against a male candidate.

And that story dominated the election, from beginning to end.

[Still In Wisconsin]

18. And Bernie helped to drive it.

One wonders whose side he's on...

[zackymilly]

34. Bernie defended Hillary on the emails. n/t

[squirecam]

37. Yes he did

He did also call her unqualified in NY.

[zackymilly]

41. And now Hillary tells the world that nobody likes Bernie. n/t

[squirecam]

42. Democrats circular firing squad

It’s always been a problem.

[Still In Wisconsin]

17. Woman, NO! Doddering old curmudgeon, YES!

So say the Berners!

[ibegurpard]

19. Warren was my hope in 2016

I then gravitated to Bernie when she didn't run. I'll support whoever wins but she's who i lean toward. I don't vote till June though and it will be an afterthought by then.

[BlueMTexpat]

20. You have summed it up

all too well. Unfortunately.

[jimfields33]

28. We have to have a woman nominee

Because I believe republicans will have one in 2024 and that’s be rather embarrassing if they beat us.

[NurseJackie]

21. Not in my mind!

But a 79 year old white male "socialist" Senator who recently had a heart attack and won't release his full medical records has a good chance.

He's disqualified in my mind. Too risky. I have higher standards and I want better. He does NOT have my vote.

[aikoaiko]

22. Winning the nomination and presidency has never been about qualifications

If it were we would have seen a lot more Democrats in the White House.

A woman can win the presidency, of course.

But somehow the candidate and voters must overcome sexism and misogyny just as we overcome racism enough to elect Obama.

[brooklynite]

23. What is your basis for this conclusion?

You seem to think we all know this is true.

[cwydro]

24. Plenty here believe that too.

Mind-boggling, disappointing, not to mention sickening.

[dsc]

26. My problem with Klobuchar is that she voted for many dreadful GOP judges

She was far and away the worst in the field in that regard. I would have no real problem with Warren but I prefer Pete.

[IluvPitties]

29. Hillary won the popular vote in '16.

Warren took a hit with her inability to say how she planned to pay for MFA. Harris smeared Biden with the busing thing and lost her momentum. The issue is not gender.

Klobuchar is starting to get attention, so do not lose hope.

[gollygee]

30. I think a woman could absolutely win

I don't think Bernie could win for a second

Not sure about Mayor Pete. Maybe. People don't care about inexperience that much or they wouldn't have voted for Trump. And I don't think it matters that he's gay. This might sound weird, but I know racist people here in Michigan who voted for Obama. Racist people are good at excluding individuals. And most people have gay people in their families they love so I think that would matter even less.

The only person I think absolutely can't win is Bernie.

[samnsara]

32. amys my second choice but she would make anyone a great veep..shes tough as nails!

[tritsofme]

35. It's quite absurd to assume that these candidates are entitled to the nomination

just because they are qualified and have good resumes.

The graveyard of failed presidential candidates of yore is filled with such men, now these women will have every opportunity to join them.

[Malmsy]

39. Warren is very electable, but not in a head to head against Bernie.

He's been at this longer, and that's just a fact.

Warren could serve two terms as Bernie's VP, then would have an excellent chance, especially because she would have the support of Sanders and his supporters.

[Chalco]

40. I am so tired of men.

Movies, jobs, politics, you name it. Sick of it. Driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vivienne235729]

43. 2020 is after 4 dreadful years of orange f*ckface. 2016 feels like a lifetime ago.

A LOT has happened and we have been set back too many years. I love Warren and would love to see her win but in our very toxic environment of TODAY, I don't see that happening. I hope I am wrong though.