Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumOriginally my favorite was Harris, but today my wife answered a pollster...
...and I was surprised to hear her answers. We are career educators. The wife retires this spring after 41 years of teaching. I expected her to name Warren or Biden as her pick.
She told the pollster,
"I've had it with losing - so even though I love the Democratic field I will vote for Bloomberg in the primary."
The pollster ask her about the different positions of the candidates...and she said,
"I'll vote for my dog if they will get rid of Trump."
Wow! I was surprised. We have not even discussed Bloomberg, but we've talked a lot about Warren, Biden, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg. There are Bloomberg commercials on TV here daily. Sanders is well-known, and Yang is unknown here, but I wonder how many really are beginning to think that Bloomberg is a winner?
At any rate, I also wonder if the majority of voters who simply don't vote will come out for this election. Will TV and FB commercials get them off the couch? My wife thinks like Star Wars..."you're our only hope"! In the face of the rallies, the MF45 coup, and McTurtle's hold on the Senate, she has a point. I don't actually know, but maybe Bloomberg would have cross appeal in Florida.
I looked it up. Bloomberg has more than 60 billion. He can outspend the repubs. Our primary ballots are mail-in. We will hold them as long as possible to see what happens (and who drops out) before posting them.
I have some hearts left, so I'll give out hearts to responses on whether Bloomberg can actually win in your home state. Not national polls, but how does Bloomberg come across in your neck of the woods?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)"Mike Bloomberg holds 7-point lead on Trump in Michigan, poll shows
WASHINGTON Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg is running an atypical campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, avoiding the early voting states and instead pouring millions into TV ads and hiring staff in other places.
A new poll indicates it may be working in Michigan.
Bloomberg has opened a 7-point lead in a head-to-head matchup with President Donald Trump in the state, according to a poll released Wednesday by EPIC-MRA of Lansing that shows the former mayor gaining ground with independents, moderates and other key constituencies.
His 49%-42% lead is the largest among all the Democrats, though 9% remain undecided with voting for the Democratic nomination getting underway in Iowa on Feb. 3. Michigan's primary is March 10."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/15/mike-bloomberg-other-democrats-lead-donald-trump-michigan-poll/4469175002/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Sounds similar to what we are seeing here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....(I'm in CT but please save your heart!!), Pennsylvania and possibly Ohio, Florida, parts of the midwest, ALL of the west coast, maybe even Texas and some other southern states.
The big unknown is how many voters will vote for ANY Democratic nominee just to get rid of trump? I suspect there are more than can be measured at this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)and every time MF45 visits the local reports are critical. Trump's FL proxies like Rubio, DeSantis, and Scott are getting bad press. I hope that the "independent" middle is really going to show up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasBushwhacker
(20,186 posts)I wonder how he'll do with Bernie Bros. We must GOTV in a big way. We can't afford to have people not voting in protest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Florida obviously has a lot of hispanic and minority. I have no idea how Bloomberg appeals (or doesn't). Hillary spent a lot of time and money on the Hispanic population in Florida. It wasn't enough here, but it was close.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)and disingenuous backtrackingand insistence that it brought down the crime rate, which was not the case-he might not be able to gain the AA and Latino support currently predicted for him.
This article is not some inflammatory denunciation of him. It is written from a policing standpoint in a criminal justice journal, but takes an objective look at the harm to both policing and to citizens the program caused under Bloomberg as well as his stubborn support for it.
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Why Bloombergs Apology Perpetuates Misunderstanding of Stop-and-Frisk
Bloomberg had been one of SQFs most vocal proponents, boasting it had saved countless lives even after a federal judge had declared the New York Police Department (NYPD) program unconstitutional.
Last week, however, Bloomberg apologized.
Speaking at a predominantly African-American church in Brooklyn, N.Y., he said, I cant change history. However today, I want you to know that I realize back then I was wrong.
But for what exactly was he apologizing?
Although SQF predated Bloombergs election as mayor, the program ratcheted-up under his leadership far beyond its constitutionally sanctioned contours. Stop-and-frisk has a long history as a policing tactic rooted in particularized, reasonable suspicion that a specific individual is involved in criminal activity.
However, in New York and several other U.S. jurisdictions, this tactic morphed into a widespread, aggressive crime-control strategy. With Bloombergs unwavering support, NYPD officers routinely stopped, questioned, and often patted-down hundreds of thousands of people each yearroughly 87 percent of whom were African-American or Latinxto see if they were carrying weapons or drugs.
https://thecrimereport.org/2019/11/26/why-bloombergs-apology-perpetuates-misunderstanding-of-stop-and-frisk/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)POC and women are pragmatic.
Bloomberg can take it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)or else Bloomberg will be the nominee. I ain't too mad at that either if that's the way it has to be.
Maybe it's a good thing.......NOBODY is getting exactly what they want and maybe Mike is just right.
But we have to coalesce...the realist wing must unite and quickly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denem
(11,045 posts)me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)I might be a LuciferBro
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ooky
(8,922 posts)you guessed it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The t=shirt possibilities alone are endless!!!
Prince of Darkness 2020....I TOLD you it would be bad in 2016!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I live in Utah, the last democrat they voted for I think was in the 50's
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,190 posts)Sanders the most likely nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,349 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....for anyone but loyal Democrats. Remember, they're mostly accomplished, dedicated Democrats who have won elections as DEMOCRATS.
If someone doesn't win on the first ballot, look for a DEMOCRAT getting the nomination on the second ballot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,349 posts)Too many unknowns atm, until after Super Tuesday, to make any sort of real calls from me. Big winners from the chaos are Bloomberg and Trump atm. Bernie as well if he really wins running away tomorrow and then takes Nevada and steamrolls into SC. I wonder if the rumoured Obama intervention moment would ever come, at what point if it does, and what form would it take. It might be all bullshit, who knows. Well above my pay-grade, lolol.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)...Sanders obviously has a following, but I have not seen support here in Florida for him, so I doubt Sanders would beat Trump here. In Florida, there are 37% Democrats, 35% GOP, and the rest "no party" in registrations. Because of suppression and cheating, the repubs win all close elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)I live in Texas, which I don't think any of our candidates can win this cycle (I'm a realist and while we're working very hard to increase turnout, it's a very uphill battle), but I think Bloomberg will likely appeal to a lot of different groups.
We live in a bit of a bubble here on DU, and we can sometimes overlook that a lot of people (maybe even a majority) are somewhat apolitical but still vote, and a lot of people only get interested in voting about the time they head to the voting booth. I think Mike can appeal to those people in part because of the ads and in part because he doesn't come across as a die-hard partisan. While some certainly want that in a primary candidate, it doesn't always sell in the general election. The fact that he's been an independent and flirted with being a Republican for political expediency might actually be a positive for him in the GE.
I also think he would be a strong candidate in the states we absolutely need to win, those six or seven states that will be in play, including the ones that resulted in the narrow EC loss in 2016.
Mike's not in my short list (yet), but he's a pretty solid general election candidate. Might actually be the best option we have, if we really look at it logically. Not the best candidate from a Democratic primary perspective, but the best in the GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)More than a bit. Unfortunately, we DO wear rose colored glasses. The rest of America does not see things we way we see them here. Sad, but true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)...when I deal with students, parents, etc.; well, I see a lot of weird views, crazy information, and indifference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)That was a couple days ago, but the numbers are still a bit remarkable. From our viewpoint as political junkies, that seems almost...alien.
Someone noted, however, that NH has had similar last-minute numbers in other cycles. It's an interesting place politically.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phylny
(8,380 posts)swings from Warren to Biden to Buttigieg to Bloomberg. I think like many people, my overriding concern is, WHO CAN BEAT TRUMP?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)He is running a great campaign...hitting tRump in all the right places.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)I don't recall a single ad from any other candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Seems like the deluge begins earlier each cycle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pandr32
(11,582 posts)We're lucky to have him. Everyone else is attacking each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Nyers know our candidates, we knew Trump was a charlatan and Bloomberg won mayoral election 3 times!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)...and there's nothing wrong with rural states.
Most major cities in Florida have a population more than entire mid-western states. The problems and economics of scale for NYC obviously rival a lot of states.
We have LOTS of NY transplants in Florida, and you are correct - typically some of the most liberal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dan
(3,559 posts)But I hate Trump even more.
Like the man said in the movie - America is not a Country, its a business. And now, since SCOTUS decisions, gotta go with the flow. America is for sell and Bloomberg is buying. I think that Bloomberg is the man that Trump can never be - and I believe that Bloomberg will beat Trump like a red-headed step-child. And even more, once Trump is defeated, I believe that Bloomberg (or hopefully whomever wins) will do all that he can to ensure that Trump dies in jail. I mean a serious prison, not the Tennis Court prisons that the rich and famous normally attend.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)...not just Hillary, but Harris, Warren, and Klobuchar are all smart and super qualified.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)a chance to help with a woman, but not quite the same as top of ticket. Would love to see Harris, Klobuchar, or similar in VP spot with some strong cabinet candidates in the wings.
I still have until late March to decide. A lot can happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)wow!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)We can not afford to lose a Senator.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Harris in CA is not going to be a senate seat loss if she became AG...some other seats MIGHT be more problematic though
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dan
(3,559 posts)Have pictures of her and Bill when he was president.
I was so hoping that she would win in 2016, and I was floored to discover that women would vote for Trump over her. A good Christian friend of mine voted for Trump (and our friendship was on the ropes for some time after that) because she couldnt vote for a woman.
I was talking with my wife about this and she was not surprised that a lot of females wouldnt vote for her. I was floored - Hillary to me was the best qualified person to ever run for POTUS.
Enough, cant change the past.
I agree with you Harris, Warren and Klobuchar - anyone of them would be a better president than what we have, and I would enthusiastically support any of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,057 posts)Shes the toughest figure one on one against corruption. She becomes an assassin.
I am making peace with the idea of Bloomberg prevailing, but, hed be sending a powerful message if he taps Warren to restructure our financial policies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibinMo
(533 posts)I'll be very surprised if ANY Democrat wins this state. There are simply too many Magats. If I weren't 80 years old I'd move to a blue state in a heartbeat.
That said, I love Bernie. But I really don't think he can win. Bloomberg has been running TV ads here in very red SW Missouri. I'm beginning to think he may be the only one who can take Trump down. I want to see how he performs in a primary before I decide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)so someone must think he can turn some states. Of course, with MF45 and his screws-ups (like the KC Chiefs), maybe there's a chance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Not sure if they're statewide (I'm near Austin, which is blue but the suburbs vary from lean blue to purple to fairly red), but they've been running in heavy rotation here. Some Steyer ads, as well, but I can't recall any others.
Bloomberg might be running in red states to help turnout for down-ticket races, even if he doesn't think he could win the state at the presidential level. We have some really high-profile Senate and House races upcoming, and we're also trying to make further gains in the state legislature. The ads might be running with all of that in mind. Bloomberg seems to be a big-picture guy.
Whatever the strategy, I'm all for forcing the GOP to be competitive here and spend money.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,450 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phylny
(8,380 posts)here in rural Virginia, too, which is MAGAT territory.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,450 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jedi Guy
(3,187 posts)My wife and I were there in late January to visit my parents. Every commercial break had an ad for Bloomberg, and sometimes two. And every single one of them was going for Dolt 45's jugular.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cornell Engineer
(80 posts)but the last poll in Mizzou showed Mayor Mikey already running 2nd among all the Dems behind only Biden.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mo/missouri_democratic_primary-6930.html
Show me, Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Also in SW MO. I don't watch much TV so have seen no TV ads for Bloomberg. I see them on YouTube. I think the last Democrat to win my county was Johnson in 1964. Christian County to my south didnt even go blue then. He might make Missouri bluer, but not blue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
secondwind
(16,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)too bad it takes so much money to run a national campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,450 posts)are furious at what Trump and McConnell are doing to this country. So, I am sure they will support the Dem nominee, but I don't know about the primary. I would not be surprised at all to see Bloomberg win the VA primary on Super Tuesday, not so much because he would be their favorite, but because they will want whoever they think will win. However, it is an open primary, which always allows for monkey business from crossover Republicans. So it's hard to predict what will happen, with any confidence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)whatever y'all are doing - keep it up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,450 posts)working very hard to pass lots of progressive legislation. And, they will have control (I think) after the Census results are released and can correct the gross Republican gerrymandering after that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PunkinPi
(4,875 posts)WaPo - First stop on Bloombergs presidential campaign: Virginia, where he spent millions to help Democrats
Bloomberg was also recently endorsed by Trump's ex-Navy secretary.
ABC News13 - Trump's ex-Navy secretary endorses Bloomberg for president during visit in Va.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Green Line
(1,123 posts)And theyre all great, hes my second choice, maybe we need him and all his money to beat Trump, that should be everyones main issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cornell Engineer
(80 posts)My guess is that here in Arizona Mayor Mikey would beat Fuhrer Drumpf but Sanders would get shellacked. Bloomberg looking pretty good lately in national polls although how he (or any other Democrat) would fare in a handful of individual swing states is way more important.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_bloomberg-6797.html
What's your dog's name in case it's looking grim come Election Day and I need to write somebody in?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Charlie Chip! (schnauzer)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cornell Engineer
(80 posts)Hey, wait a minute...your doggie ain't gonna deport all the cats, is he???
I like dogs and cats equally so that would be a huge dealbreaker for me. But Charlie Chip would be a big hit with all the reich-wing anti-feline fascists if that's one of his pooch planks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sancho
(9,070 posts)would pee on the floor of Trump Tower given half a chance...so far, he has been cat friendly regardless of origin.
Of course, no ones knows who CC's father is, so he is sort of an anchor dog. Typical Florida.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cornell Engineer
(80 posts)and in the summertime I'll sit out on the lower deck and watch a lot of fat Trump-loving golfers flail away at them little white balls.
If Charlie Chip deports those guys it will make sitting out there much more enjoyable.
+1 for Candidate CC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)All I'm seeing is Bloomberg ads. He's banking on muscle memory
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)But I'm not enthused about it at all. I know people who worked for him at his company and they say he's a jerk, plus I'm not terribly impressed with his record as NYC mayor. I remember him being not so bad for a Republican, but he's nowhere near as liberal as what I want in a Democratic president.
I do like his ads and I am appreciative that he is willing to spend the money to help defeat Trump even if he doesn't win the primary (assuming he actually does so), but I would have a really hard time being excited about his candidacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)What bothers me the most is his politically expedient apology for presiding over a disastrous and racist policy after his defending it for so long. He never would have apologized for it if he had not anticipated running this time. Once he knew, he started his PR tour. Exploitive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Besides the obvious reason ... he's got money out the wazoo to throw around, let me tell you the biggest reason, IMHO ... I don't see this brought up often.
Here it is: the other uber-rich people in the world know he's real deal, unlike grifter Trump. He's like top 15 richest in the world. And self-made.
They will absolutely believe he's going to look out for them at least as well as Trump does. Bloomberg UNDERSTANDS them cause he's legitimately one of them. And an ACTUAL great businessman, and sharp cat.
And if MB is the nominee for the Democrats, they're going to look at their bank accounts and go ... do I REALLY wanna give that shitheel wannabe Trump's PAC a buncha millions? Or should I hold onto my money, let Bloomberg finance himself, and let the chips fall where they may? I'm likely to 'win' either way, so ...
You know how Adelson has said he's going to invest $100M or whatever in the election? But did he say he's directing it to Trump? Guess who else is Jewish and Pro-Israel like Adelson? His fellow multi-billionaire Bloomberg.
You know Trump ain't in good favor with the remaining Koch Bro ... and he might be the richest dude in the world at this point.
There's more to Bloomberg's having a ton of cash than just the advantage provided by his ads ... the Billionaires aren't going to fight him like they would against the rest of our candidates.
Oh, and did I mention ... Bloomberg News?
Under other circumstances, the idea of Bloomberg as our nominee would pretty much suck to me.
BUT ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Bloomberg is no different.
The idea that we should trust him because he's "one of us" is absurd. I don't trust any billionaire, let alone someone as ideologically uncommitted as Bloomberg. He's a hack.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I didn't say WE should trust him, the point was the Billionaires will trust him. More than IQ45.
They're not going to spend a bunch of their money to try to keep him from winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)This is the problem. He'll help his own before helping the working people. We don't need more money in elections. We don't need hyper wealthy elected officials.
I am by no means a fan of Biden. But I'd gladly take him any day over Bloomberg because, at the very least, I know Biden is a true Democrat and genuine person.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I understand your feelings and mostly agree ... but we have to win. It's that simple. I don't like that it's come to that, but it has.
And Bloomberg is a true Democrat, I've no reason to doubt that.
He's also given away $8.4B since signing the pledge to give away at least 1/2 his wealth.
And another thing ... you know who else might NOT throw everything he has at the Dem Candidate ... should that person be Bloomberg? Yeah, Putin. Bloomberg's grandfather emigrated here from Russia, funnily enough. And grandma emigrated from Belarus.
I have a feeling Pootie'd consider it a bad gamble to bet on Trump against Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)In 2016 Bernie railed against millionaires too until he became one. So did all those millionaires he railed against exploit people too? Sounds like someone is feeling a tad threatened by all the attention Bloomberg is getting
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Regardless of their political affiliation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And doing so on the sidelines would probably be the best fit for him
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Not a damn thing. That's one of the misconceptions I've seen around here, that Bloomberg will spend anyway so it doesn't matter if he's not the nominee.
His money would mean something in low funded House races. It wouldn't help our presidential nominee at all. That race is decided on preference, not turnout. All of these peripheral matters don't mean a flip compared to the basic reference point of our nominee vs. Trump. Money is not going to fix anything if Middle America is scared of something our nominee represents. The decision will already be made long before the campaign commercials are running.
We need to get that idea of Bloomberg's money lifting all boats out of our head. It is pathetic handicapping.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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bamagal62
(3,257 posts)I just hope that we can get the message out that we have to vote for whomever rises to the top. We have to get out there and vote for the democratic nominee. Why cant we just do that? If we do that we win. Im not sure why we are even arguing about it. Beat Trump. Thats it. And, if its Bloomberg, then its Bloomberg. I actually changed my choice to undecided. Im waiting to see, then Ill fall in line. This is do or die stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)information and thought, especially about Stop and Frisk, his continuing defense of it up until his decision to run, the harm it caused.
Id like to see AA leaders weigh in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalguilt57
(89 posts)If Trump will consent to a debate, that is.
Trump is an arrogant bully who will pull all the tricks he tried to pull against Hillary against whoever goes up against him in the fall. Bloomberg is a fellow New Yorker. He speaks Trumps language. As a guy who travels with the same rarefied New York circles as Trump, he knows where all the bodies are buried. He has known who and what Trump is for 40 years. He wont take any nonsense from Trump. I cant help but think he, and his natural dry wit, would run circles around Trump, And pull a few Big Apple surprises out of his sleeve.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)We must nominate the strongest candidate to do that and its beginning to look like Bloomberg is the one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cassidy
(202 posts)Of course I will vote against Trump, but I have no enthusiasm to knock on doors or GOTV for Bloomberg.
Bloomberg is not the corrupt lunatic that Trump is, but their interests are fundamentally the same. I am really skeptical of Bloomberg's recent, convenient, apology for stop and frisk. I also find it interesting that Bloomberg's people plagiarized parts of his policy proposals (See the Intercept Feb 6, 2020). If he has to steal someone else's work, because he hasn't bothered to consider the policies he wants to implement regarding health care, the economy, infrastructure, LGBTQ equality, gun safety, etc. he has no business running for president.
Frankly, if the election comes down to Trump vs. Bloomberg, I think it will be clear that American democracy is dead.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)were replaying 2016 with Sanders and his crew. Right now Bloomberg is looking good he's got a couple billion to throw at Trump. Were sick of the insane MF'er in the WH. Meanwhile Republicans are beginning their fuckery, first with phone jamming in Iowa, Trumps got them rigging votes in NH for who he wants to run against, and we hear NC is next on the list. Democrats had 4 yrs to do away with these bullshit caucus and open primarys. What do they rely on a POS app that can be hacked....your making it easy. Perez is mostly silent as a church mouse. We've had this ridiculous debate system, it almost like everyone gets a trophy on some kids sports team so no feelings are hurt. I haven't watched not one debate nor spent one dime. Its the first I've not maxed out since 2008. I just hang up and thrown the mailings in the garbage. So we will see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
moriah
(8,311 posts)I will pull the blue lever this year regardless, but...
First, to answer your question, my state will not go Blue for anyone. The independents that Bloomberg appeals to are going to be different than the ones Sanders would appeal to here, and neither coalition would win over the devout Trumpsters and the devout Gunsters (who may not like Trump but vote red out of fear). So I can't judge based on others -- not in a swing state.
I know he will be better than Trump, so of course if he gets the nomination I would vote for him.
I'm happy with him and Steyer spending money on ads attacking Trump early.
But I really do hope that he revises his policy (even if he doesn't his opinion) regarding cannabis, particularly medical cannabis. I know I might sound silly for having this as why I'm skeptical of him, but his opinions have been far more strident on the subject, and if red states like mine are passing medical use... he's behind even one of the most bass-acwkwards states in the nation, and that is concerning for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,677 posts)I Don't have any idea how Bloomberg plays in California.
I'm for Joe, as you can see, but feel myself increasingly drawn to Amy Klobuchar
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)Then cut the combover and throw it in the fireplace to give Trump the realistic neo-nazi baldness.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)that it will really really really hurt a divisive campaign that was kvetching about billionaires for 5 years now and painting all Democrats as evil.
Schadenfreude is sweet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)they are walking their dogs...I'm walking my fitbit (can't get the cats on a leash).
I've got liberal neighbors who would vote for Bloomberg without a qualm.
And I'm considering it.
NoCal east bay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Not sure how I feel about that as he would not be my top pick. But not very many people where I live (west Michigan) are going to vote for Sanders. The word "socialist" will always be associated with him, and that scares lots of people. Lots of moderate Democrats too.
People think the fact that he's rich will hurt him but I don't think they understand that wealth has been a large part of Trump's appeal. A lot of people see wealth as a sign of intelligence - which seems astounding with Trump, but they see it as proof that he isn't as dumb as he looks - and people see shouting down wealth and refusing wealth as being impractical, and "impractical" for a lot of people is a synonym for "dumb." As in the "has book smarts but no common sense" kind of dumb.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,307 posts)... and I'm not sure what will break the fever. Bloomberg is not my guy, but he'd probably do better here than most Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)He has a good chance in the primary IMO. Sanders won last time but the idiot OK Democratic party made a rule change where Independents can vote in our primary. Most Ind. are right wingers in my experience.
In the general election, I doubt he could win but he would be pretty strong.
My only experience is with my never-trumper brother-in-law. He hates Trump and will vote for Bloomberg for sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
c-rational
(2,592 posts)live in NY, but he would most likely win here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,295 posts)Those voters matter, but far, far more voters decide based on what they see on their TVs. They vote based on the ads, really.
We're a minority when it comes to voting for President. We think about it, look at records and policy statements. Most people can't be bothered with any of that. It's a consumer society. People buy what is advertised the best.
Bloomberg is advertising more and better than any other Democratic candidate. Everyone is seeing Bloomberg ads every day. He's focusing on the broadcast TV network morning, evening, and nighttime news hours. He's been flooding those in Minnestota, a Super Tuesday state for a couple of months already. And it's not the same ad over and over again, like most candidates do. He has literally dozens of ads, and they're all outstandingly well done.
I think he can win in a number of states. The other candidates have not run a single ad in Minnesota. The March 3 primary is exactly three weeks from now. What are they waiting for? They're in for a surprise, I think.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)He will definitely lose Nebraska but then anyone with a D next to their name would. I would give him a 50-50 chance of winning the electoral vote from the Omaha district. Obama won it in 2008 but they made sure to gerrymander it even better in 2010 so it wont be easy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)make him constantly show his worst self, it is probably Bloomberg. I am sure the MB ads on Faux are driving the orange one insane.
Whether that is enough remains to be seen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden