Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders takes lead in 538 National Polling Average
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)in 538 general election polling average.
Bernie = 4 more years.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)There's polling data showing Sanders winning against Trump with similar margins to other candidates (including Biden).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)But Bernie gets clobbered in FL, AZ, and the entire rust belt. It doesn't matter if he wins Vermont and California by 40 points.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)He polls very well in the mid-West and in the Rust Belt.
Bernie wins this. It's clear if you look and don't rely on conventional wisdom.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wisteria
(19,581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peoli
(3,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)I want rid of trump, not your silly "revolution."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)How far right we have come! We have past presidents advocating for everything Bernie is pushing for and that many of us, left out of the economy need for survival.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)When will these divisive voices stop tearing the party apart and coalesce behind the front runner (clutches at pearls)!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Which isn't even to make a comment on actual socialism. Providing state assistance to those in need, and even providing something like a public option or Medicare-for-all is not "socialism."
In most parts of the world (and in the US 50+ years ago), he would be considered a center-left candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Andrew Gillum was defined as a socialist. It destroyed his numbers among Hispanics and specifically in Dade County
Gillum was backed by Sanders and only gained the upset nomination because of late wave support from the Sanders crowd above Gwen Graham, a boring moderate who unquestionably would have defeated Ron DeSantis.
There are always warning signs in the midterms. Nobody can tell me the fear is make believe. The swing states have similar makeup as the nation itself...which means more self-identified conservatives than liberals. We'd be asking Bernie Sanders to win key states which have between 5 and 11% more conservatives than liberals. Lotsa luck.
As always, the names don't mean anything. Rely on the big picture:
* Electing a socialist
* Electing a gay man
That is the reality. I have no idea why so many people get stuck in the little details while devaluing the wide scope
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)As I said, Sanders in any other context is is a center-left candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)To do the things he proposes would make the US a very strong, very wealthy democracy. It would have an infrastructure that would catalyze small businesses everywhere. Even the smallest businesses of freelancers who currently cannot afford insurance.
That, to me, is a very centered, very reasonable country. Bernie is smack dab in the center of what is reasonable. Eisenhower, a Republican, once said watch out for the military industrial complex, it will destabilize the country. Now that such a thing has occurred, getting back to stability, as Sanders and other progressives have proposed, should be considered "centrist." Nationalized health insurance is dead center in Europe. Giving a damn should be normal, centered, centrist. We have gone so far down the rabbit hole of corporate domination we don't know what a normal democracy should look like.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)but wins CA and VT by upwards of 35 %.
What does that give us?
Four more years.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Giving a damn is not crazy. What's extreme is forgetting how far down the rabbit hole we've gotten into corporate domination for the benefit of increasingly fewer people.
Here's an idea. Instead of helping us all to lose our shirts in the next recession, help to build up American democracy. That's what a traditional Democrat does. That is what Bernie Sanders and the majority of Americans under 35 want. That is what huge numbers of older Americans increasingly want. And that is what the polling at the reputable agency, 538 is telling us. Bernie Sanders is in the lead. Giving a damn and STRENGTHENING our democracy is winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)in the polls... that's right, Bernie is glidin', while Biden is slidin'.
Indeed, Bernie is now viewed as the most electable... it's no longer Joe!! So, using that same standard, Joe should quit the race, as Bernie was told to do, forever and a day, when he trailed Biden.
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)backs him 100% he will demolish Trump.
Be nice to see Warren as VP or in a cabinet position
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)There is NO question in my mind about this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)They might even win the popular vote, just like President Hillary Clinton. Oh, wait...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Not sure that's very likely after the "misogyny" dust up, but they'd absolutely STEAMROLL Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Slotted in either position... wishing her the best of luck and may the best candidate win!!
Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)ticket with Sanders.
Or perhaps when pigs fly with their non-existent wings.
After all, Sanders contradicted her on a national stage (I believe her version) and he continues to allow supporters at his rallies to diss her and more of the same.
If the Democratic Party backs Elizabeth - or ANY other candidate, for that matter - 100%, she/that candidate certainly WILL demolish Trump. That's all it takes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)and his Bernie Bros will brigade anyone without a Y chromosome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I've genuinely never seen a more diverse, representative group (age, race, gender, sexuality, ability, class, religion, etc) than Sanders supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dchill
(38,472 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)wrong about things they have entrenched beliefs about. Lots of folks don't do well with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Go Vols
(5,902 posts).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided