Damn it all!

[boston bean]

If Bloomberg is the nominee I will vote for him in the GE.

For Chrissakes people. Eye on the ball. Defeat trump whether or not your choice in the primary loses. Vote for the Democratic nominee and shut the hell up with purity bullshit and criticizing democrats. Keep your threats of if so and so wins I will stay home cause I know my candidate is the one who should have won and could have beat the racist asshole. What a selfish self defeating outlook that is.

I remain undecided because I really don’t give a shit who wins in the primary. Cause guess what?

Anyone on our side is better than the fucking Trumpass.

Keep it real people.

[Voltaire2]

1. Yuppers.

[Texin]

122. I agree. I'd walk over burning glass to cast a vote for ANY Democrat.

This morning I am as gutted and afraid as I've ever been in my 65 years of life. I can't believe what my eyes are seeing and my ears are hearing coming from Washington, D.C. now.

[honest.abe]

2. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Period.

[floppyboo]

70. Hence the refugee crisis. Good enemies my ass!

[TomSlick]

88. Just to be clear.

Are you saying that if Sen. Sanders isn't the nominee, you will not support the nominee - whoever it may be?

[floppyboo]

95. what? how did you get that from that?

[TomSlick]

96. Good enemies my ass?

I've studied your response to post 2 for a missed nuance. I found none.

The lawyer in me notes that your answer to my question was not responsive.

[floppyboo]

98. its a stupid tragic strategy/nursery rhyme.

[TomSlick]

99. Still not responsive to my question.

To reiterate:

Are you saying that if Sen. Sanders isn't the nominee, you will not support the nominee - whoever it may be?

It is a reasonable question. I'll try another way: Will you vote Blue no matter who?

[calguy]

104. He couldn't answer your question.

[TomSlick]

107. Not so.

It is an easy question. I restated the question so that it can be answered with "yes" or "no." There is a difference between could not answer and would not answer.

The restatement of my question is only five minutes old. Let's allow a reasonable time.

[calguy]

109. Your point is well taken.

I spoke too soon.

[TomSlick]

112. See below.

The question remains unanswered.

[floppyboo]

108. I wasn't responding to who I would support. I was responding the enemy of enemy thing

which is just a dangerous strategy. Think Osama binLaden. or Syria's 'good' rebels.

[TomSlick]

110. I can accept that. Nevertheless, you have not provided a responsive answer to my question.

Will you vote Blue no matter who?

I have had witnesses on cross-examination who tried to answer a question with a question, or attack the question, or try to change the subject. You seem to be doing the same.

Will you vote Blue no matter who?

[TomSlick]

124. I take your silence as a "no," you will not commit to voting blue no matter who.

You are proving the fear many have here with supporters of Sen. Sanders - and that some have with Sen. Sanders. You do not appreciate the peril of Trump's re-election. It's Sen. Sanders or you will not support the Democrat.

I am a "yellow-dog Democrat." I would vote for the Democrat if s/he was a yellow dog.

[democratisphere]

3. Agreed. Got it!

[BigOleDummy]

4. Well said

Very well said in fact.

[redqueen]

5. So will I. But we're on DU.

Most voters are not.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287498952

[boston bean]

13. We are in such a more critical place than we were in any of the other presidential races.

I’ve learned all this infighting is bad for us. Especially with the orange menace at the helm.

We must be united. And we need this primary over as soon as possible. We are harming each other.

Cause you know people are gonna dig in. I have in the past. And we have all experienced it.

[Iliyah]

58. VP Biden - AAs first choice . . .

but if Bloomberg is the nominee, then yes, even with all the videos and quotes and policies he did against POCs. Older AA's do believe people can change for the better, therefore they will not hesitate to vote for him.

[redqueen]

59. I'm sure some will. I have zero confidence it will be enough for us to win. nt

[DanTex]

6. Of course. The question is whether Bloomberg is the best candidate.

I'd say no. But of course I'll vote for him over Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

101. I'd vote for a rock over tRumpty Dumbty!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Rider3]

7. Agreed

You got it right.

[boston bean]

9. I think there are a lot of people like me. That is why I remain unconcerned that the turn out in

Iowa was low.

People are invested in voting out trump. Not so much paying attention right now.

[blueinredohio]

8. My sentiments exactly Boston bean. At least I know I'm not alone.

[boston bean]

11. You are not alone. Not by a long shot.

[dalton99a]

10. In the age of Trump, only a felony conviction should disqualify a Democrat from consideration

in the general election

[BlueIdaho]

12. I care, but in the end - I'm a Democrat.

Seems like I post this every four years... Of course I have preferences, I’m human. But in the end I’m still al life long Democrat. Now, more than ever - we must stop the republicans from destroying our nation.

[safeinOhio]

34. My father would be 107 if alive now.

He use to say “I’m a life long Democrat, I vote for them or against them”. I can only remember “for them”. I can say never say never, I remember when George Wallace won the Michigan primary. Strange, the next one was won by Jessie Jackson. Go figure.

[Wounded Bear]

14. Bloomy isn't my fave, but Trump has to go...

[slumcamper]

15. Visit his website and get to know him.

As mayor of NYC, he has actually held power and authority OVER Trump and knows him inside-out.

His positions are certainly progressive: $15 minimum wage, increase taxes on the wealthy, urban renewal, green energy, healthcare for all, criminal justice reform...and more.

Not the typical demon "billionaire" that some of our candidates are casting aspersions toward.

A self-made son of a bookkeeper at a small dairy in Medford, MA. BA in electrical engineering for chrissakes, and MBA from Harvard.

Admits to and owns his flaws, too. In that alone he stands apart.

[ancianita]

43. I have. Being anti-wealth tax isn't progressive. He doesn't admit THAT, but I'll still vote for him.

[the_sly_pig]

16. I'm voting for the Democratic nominee ...

Could give two f**ks which one it is. I have my favorite, but that doesnt matter.

[jaxexpat]

21. Exactly!

My favorite or Your favorite? Irrelevant. Cast your vote and move on. The only reason to look back is if you didn't vote or if you helped split up the movement, causing a win for that creature.

[Meadowoak]

55. Just as important, we have to win the Senate. It doesn't really help us that much to

Have a Democratic President if we still have Mitch McConnell and Republicans in lockstep controlling the Senate!

[Red Oak]

17. If Bloomberg is the answer, then heaven help us

If the Democratic party needs a fully self-funding, run-outside-the-system $54 Billion dollar-aire to defeat Trump, then we deserve what we get.

You think Trump is not answerable to the people and has cloaked himself in the protections of the Presidency? Try electing a guy that switches parties at a whim as it benefits himself and is answerable to absolutely no one and no thing. Scares the hell out of me. Trump is at least incompetent. Bloomberg is very, very competent.

I ask myself - what does he want for his investment?

We have a good slate of good people working within the system and busting their buns to be elected. They are campaigning and fundraising. They are working hard and have expressed a range of great ideas. Any one of them would make an excellent President.

Why don't we elect someone that is working within the system that has proven themselves to be working for the people and with a history of being answerable to them?

[redqueen]

35. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Not only do I have NO expectation that he'll beat Trump, I genuinely worry about what he'll do in office.

[DonaldsRump]

86. At least he's had an office

What office did Mr. Yang hold?

Mayor of NYC is nothing to disparage. He has a track record.

I totally agree with the vast majority of the sentiment here: I will do everything I can to support our nominee, whomever he or she may be.

Period. End of discussion.

[Moostache]

54. Because if they fail to secure the nomination IT DOES NOT MATTER of they are "better"...

Trump wins a second term and the SCOTUS is 7-2 Conservative for the next 50 years.
RvW is dead.
O-care is dead.
Medicaid and Medicare are gutted.
SS is privatized and all but gone in 20 years.

Now, if you believe that a purity test of how Democratic someone is remains important with all that is at stake, I don't know what to say to you to make you recognize this is NOT a normal primary or election and ideology is about 10th on the list of required qualifications in November...literally ONE thing is #1 through 9 - Can the nominee beat Trump and save the republic from swooning into totalitarianism completely.

Nothing else matters more right now. Nothing.

I don't care if the candidate is less than perfect, has skeletons in their closet or is out of the closet and has donors in their pockets. I care that the 46th president of the USA is selected and that the 45th is escorted out of the White House, into courthouses and eventually into prison for the rest of his miserable life. Period.

If I have to vote for fucking Satan himself to attain that end, then so be it.

[redstatebluegirl]

76. FDR was amazingly wealthy and did a ton of good.

Money is not naughty folks, I am sick of seeing any wealth as being bad.

[TNNurse]

83. JFK

[DinahMoeHum]

77. Nothing for the best for the oppressed, n'est-ce pas?

What if "the best" for you is not available? Then what?

What if your favorite candidate is not the nominee? Then what?

We are not living in normal times. If the majority of other Democratic voters want Bloomberg, so be it - he'll be the nominee. Deal with it, and don't dare stay home and not vote or vote third-party out of pique - that is a luxury that we CANNOT afford.

We have to kick Trump's ass out of office by any and all means necessary - and the same goes for the GOP. At EVERY level of government.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

100. I'M WITH YOU ON THAT!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Moral Compass]

18. Vote for anyone that has a D next to their name!

I genuinely hope that Bloomberg won’t be the nominee. The way he is trying to simply buy the election offends me at a very deep level.

But I will vote for him if he gets the nomination.

I would vote for my dog Telie if she got the nod.

[Pepsidog]

19. I'm with you. I love Warren but will support whoever

[BlueJac]

20. I am all in with that idea!

Go Dems

[IrishEyes]

22. I'm looking forward to the primaries being over.

So everyone can unite behind the democratic candidate and against the evil one and his minions.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. I would also. Furthermore I would defend that choice against those on the left who might attack him

However I can't support Bloomberg in the primaries, he would be my last choice (tied with Tulsi Gabbard for that distinction).

Talk about keeping it real? Trying to defend even the most well intentioned and competent Multi-billionaire in the world who also pushed "Stop and Frisk" and literally endorsed George W. Bush for president at the Republican National Convention will be a losing proposition with millions of voters who will either stay home or vote third party instead of voting for Michael Bloomberg. And in many cases those are voters who would work their asses off to get a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or even a Pete Buttigieg elected.

Bloomberg is the one nominee most likely to fracture the Democratic leaning electorate. More so than Biden or Bernie or Amy or Liz or anyone else. I'll work hard for Bloomberg if he gets the nomination, but I dread the potential consequences of him buying our nod.

[KPN]

40. Well said Tom Ronaldo.

I too will vote for and support Bloomberg — if he gets our nomination. Until then, it’s Sanders or Warren for me and will largely depend on who of the two is most viable in May 19th (Oregon’s primary date).

My view is we need fundamental change, we need it now, and now is our best opportunity to achieve it.

[ancianita]

48. AMEN.

[redqueen]

61. THANK YOU!

[utopian]

24. My thoughts exactly nt

[calimary]

25. Yes indeedy-doo! Or, here, that'd be indeed-DU!

I’m there myself. Especially as Biden deflates. Which is unfortunate because he’s a good man. But if he can’t go the distance, I am very ready, now, to support another candidate.

My heart belongs to Joe Biden.

But when I VOTE, I vote with my head.

I’ve found that’s been a good “personal Golden Rule.” When it comes to the big decisions, FOR ME, it’s head over heart. Every time. And so far, in my mid-60s, it’s never failed.

[H2O Man]

26. Recommended.

"Keep your eyes on the prize."

While my status here is "undecided," it is not technically correct. I have decided that I will support the candidate that our party nominates. I will be happy to work as hard as I can in the general election campaign for our ticket.

[7wo7rees]

39. Thank you H2O. We stand with your position. n/t

[sdfernando]

27. HEAR HEAR!!

I have my candidate preferences but I remain undecided on purpose.

I will VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!

[mountain grammy]

28. One of my best friends, a republican, says the same thing.

Defeat the monster first.

[joost5]

29. Truth. +1

[iluvtennis]

30. Although I do have preferred candidate, whoever the nominee is they will have my vote. nt

[grossproffit]

31. Trump really wants to run against Bernie.

[KPN]

47. Or Bloomberg.

I’m not sure anyone really knows what tRump really wants when it comes to his tactics. Most of the time his goal is to simply spread mass confusion and then rally support around MAGA, his elixir for every malady whipped up by his turbulence.

[renate]

67. IMHO I think Bloomberg is the last person Trump wants to run against

Literally the last person. He's a real billionaire... that alone would make Trump look small by comparison on a debate stage. Trump's schtick has always been that he's oh so successful blah blah blah... Bloomberg would deflate that right quick, in words and by his mere presence.

I think Bloomberg is the one candidate who can truly, madly, deeply scare Trump, personally as well as politically. And there is nothing as pathetic and loser-y as a bully that everyone can see is scared.

[KPN]

69. Maybe you're right. That's basically what I'm trying to say. There's no clear

definition of what tRump wants and prefers. He just stirs crap up every opportunity he gets to keep everyone off-balance and the people he sees as his detractors, adversaries, enemies uncertain if not confused and pitted one against the other. We can only guess. I would think you are right on the one hand, but also know Bloomberg will struggle with millennials and perhaps POC ... which weighs toward tRump.

[calguy]

105. Mike has seen him operate for years in New York

If anyone can get inside his head Mike can do it. And he has the resources to get it done.

[pandr32]

32. That's why I'm undecided as well

There are plenty of us who feel the same way.
Let's not argue and keep our eye on the prize--our country back from a dictatorship.
That is ALL that matters! Nothing else is possible without getting rid of DT and those who are complicit.
We need to stand together.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

33. I stand with you, my dear boston bean.

I will vote for whoever our nominee is.

Period.

[Duppers]

36. Exactly! We've got the devil in the WH.

[jayschool2013]

37. It is dangerous

It would be a dangerous precedent for a media mogul to earn our nomination for president.

That written, we are in a more dangerous predicament by having a fascist sitting in the Oval Office.

So, yes, even a billionaire with the means to overwhelm the rest of the field because of his media empire and his seemingly bottomless wealth is better than Hair Twitler.

[onetexan]

117. +1 -K&R

[Nikki28]

38. Preach

Preach. That is exactly my thoughts as well. I love Joe, Pete,Liz, Amy and Bloomberg.So if he gets the nom, I am there.I will be so glad when this primary is over.

[matt819]

41. Exactly

There was a post this morning with a link to Wikipedia on one of the candidates, to get us to "warm" to a candidate that might not be our preference.

No warming is necessary. Whoever is the candidate gets my vote. It's very simple.

Remember, every candidate has baggage of one sort or another, because of who they are or what they said or did last year or in 1978 (well, maybe a bit later than that for Pete, but the idea still holds). If someone other than your preference gets the nomination, you vote for that person. If you have to hold your nose while doing so, then hold your nose. If you can do it with confidence, be confident. If you can do it with jubilation, be jubilatious. But vote for the candidate with the D after his/her name. It's not that difficult a concept.

My fear, I guess, is that there will be too many (or just enough) people who can't stomach anyone other than their candidate and will either sit it out or muddy the waters in some way. My message to these people? Get over yourselves. Life's tough. You don't always get what you want (sounds familiar - anyone?). But this is not the time to get all snippy and whingey and self-righteous. There's simply too much at stake. And I hope that every candidate who didn't get the nomination makes their support for the nominee loud and clear and that they do what they must to ensure that their supporters vote for the nominee.

[Still In Wisconsin]

42. I'll vote for whoever has a D in front of their name on the GE ballot. Even Sanders.

When the primary ends, well, the primary ends. If I have to hold my nose and vote for Bloomberg, or Sanders, or even Tulsi (the last one won't happen) I will.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. Of course. Will do.

[TygrBright]

45. I will vote blue, no matter who. n/t

[Gymbo]

46. Bloomberg, Biden, Bernie

They are all one-term presidents. I think the lid on electability hovers around 80 years. I could be wrong, but I can't visualize giving an 80 plus president four more years.

[llmart]

49. I have my favorite too.

But there has never been a doubt in my mind that I will Vote Blue No Matter Who.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

50. House and Senate. Bloomberg may inspire GOTV with his ads against Trump...

If we have the House and Senate, we can provide those wonderful checks and balances that the Russiapublicans have abdicated, regardless of who is in the WH.

All of our candidates that appeared in the last debate, plus Bloomberg, are immensely more qualified than Agolf Twitler. The world will improve with Trump out of office. Let's kick Moscow Mitch out of the majority chair, too.

[BigDemVoter]

51. WHOEVER receives the Dem nomination will get my vote. . . .

ANYBODY is better than Pussy-Grabber & Company, and the stakes are too big for us to quibble and fuck up.

[Croney]

52. Vote blue. The world is at stake.

[musicblind]

119. This n/t

[Kaleva]

53. Well said

[Demsrule86]

56. I am a never Trumper as in I must do all I can to defeat him...vote blue

no matter who damn it!

[Raster]

57. I will vote for a ham sandwich, if that ham sandwich is able to defeat tRump*...

...

[MadMike47]

60. There's too much emphasis on the Presidential race

Like you, I don't care who the nominee is. But there should be more emphasis on flipping the Senate from red to blue. Without a Senate with the Democrats in the majority, it doesn't matter who the President is. Flip the Senate and abolish the filibuster. Then you can get some things done.

[wendyb-NC]

62. That absolutely right.

Not voting, or 3rd party candidate voting, is a vote for, trump, in my opinion.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

63. KR NT

[blakstoneranger]

64. I'll VOTE FOR A TURD IN A TUXEDO IF ITS RUNNING AGAINST TRUMP!!

We need to stop letting the media pit candidates against each other. It's the media thats pushing this not the candidates. they don't realize when the media tells them something, they want you to believe ALL democrats want it, which is a lie. the media doesn't know what we want. They just want the candidates fighting because fighting is news. Their editors want them to keep the candidates away from trump, because they want to promote trump. Yes, it's not the russians interfering in our elections, its the media. It's been the media the whole time. And it's all of them foxnews, msnbc, cnn, cbs, abc, nbc, etc, etc. all of them, washington post, ny times, usa today, wall street journal, etc. etc., all of them. They are all owned by billionaires who want trump to continue in office. Look at where biden is now, he's a mess. Now bernie is on top, watch how long it takes for them to bring him down. This is why trump is trying harder to get the black vote now, he knows biden is weak thanks to his ukraine crap and help from the media. THE REPUBLICAN CHEATING MACHINE IS ALREADY IN MOTION. TRUMP WILL WIN BECAUSE WE ARE POWERLESS TO STOP THE GOP AND THE GOP BACKED MEDIA.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

65. Are you no longer a proponent of vetting during a primary?

[boston bean]

72. I am not a proponent of screwing ourselves over.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. Bloomberg as Joe's replacement is a much better option, but geezo flip, wait til Bernie debates him

Talk about a contrast that favors Bernie!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Different Drummer]

66. So right, boston bean!

K&R

[Bernardo de La Paz]

68. The Democrat 2020

[Pacifist Patriot]

71. That's exactly why I changed back to Undecided.

Sure I have my druthers, but in the end, I'll vote for the guy or gal with the D by their name. Whom I prefer is utterly irrelevant thanks to that POS.

[ihaveaquestion]

73. I think most of us are with you...

and will vote in the general election for whoever our nominee turns out to be.

IMO, this could be why the turnout was low in Iowa, because it doesn't really matter who the nominee is. They're all a thousand percent better than pumpkin-face.

[Cha]

74. Someone had to say it! Mahalo, bean!

[BigmanPigman]

75. I always have and always will vote in every single election

and vote Dem down ballot. Period! I'd vote for a dolphin if it was the Dem candidate.

[Gothmog]

78. I do not want to vote for Bloomberg but I will

I will support the nominee of the party

[yuiyoshida]

79. THIS

K&R

[Wrz]

80. Absolutely

Absolutely. I'm hard left as it gets. Like even more left than Sanders on some things. But I'll vote Blue in November even if it's someone like Bloomberg which I classify as center to center-right on the spectrum as any of them are miles better than the traitor in chief.

The big thing to be aware of is the Supreme Court. Even the least progressive Democrat could be depended upon to appoint a decent justice.

One difference though, if it's someone like Bloomberg I won't be donating money. Since he has plenty of his own. I'd only donate to those that are funded by way of grassroots organization like Sanders or Yang.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. Yet BB, it does matter who wins. Better the highest in matchups in Nov.

[Captain Zero]

84. Whoever the dem nominee is, I will vote for them

It is that important.

I will work to get the ticket elected.
I will work to get dems elected to the House and the Senate.

The White House and the Senate must become Democratic.

[Onthefly]

85. Agree. Stick together. Trumpsters like the infighting

United we stand to win in November with the Democratic candidate!

[Mira]

87. I'll vote for a Damn Sandwich

because it starts with a D

[cwydro]

89. This!

[phleshdef]

90. I'll ultimately vote for the nominee but you can't expect us to just swallow what he said.

He straight up said that all cops should be out harassing young minority men and generalized them as basically a bunch of criminals. There is no spinning this. And this isn't something he said 30 or 40 years ago. He said this stuff fairly recently. This is NOT what the Democratic party stands for. There has to be a reckoning on this.

[MH1]

91. Well said.

My least favorite candidate on our side, is light years better than the current occupant.

[AverageJoe]

92. Hear, hear!!

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!


Vote blue as if your life depended on it, y’all!!!

[fishwax]

93. I will promote and defend and vote for whoever the democratic nominee is

Not doing so would feel pretty irresponsible to me.

[jimlup]

94. yes yes yes

I've changed my avatar to undecided. I'm a progressive but I see the truth here. We have to fucking beat the orange clown

[Perseus]

97. Well said, could not have been more eloquent

"Anyone on our side is better than the fucking Trumpass."...Isn't that the truth.

[hangaleft]

102. Well said, bean

[RandySF]

103. It's not about how we'll vote in November

It's about exercising good judgment now.

[Mike Niendorff]

111. I switched back to "undecided" for exactly this reason.

I've seen way too many circular firing squads in my progressive life.

And you KNOW the Republicans and their allies are going to try to inflame that at EVERY opportunity.

But guess what : this time, they won't get that opportunity. At least not from me.

There is ZERO chance of me sitting out this election, and ZERO chance of voting any way except to get Trump and his team of traitors OUT of office.

So check the infighting at the door, whoever wins will get my support. 100%.


MDN

[dweller]

115. you got that right Mike

the admin should have listed Blue Nomattahoo as a choice
rather than 'undecided' ...

it's why i've been undecided all along ..

✌🏼

[Nevermypresident]

113. +1000

[nancy1942]

114. Exactly.

[SunSeeker]

116. Oh fuck yes. I will crawl over glass to vote for Bloomberg if it rids us of Trump. nt

[musicblind]

118. I would vote for freaking Ted Cruz over Donald Trump.

And I despise Ted Cruz (obviously)

But, at least Cruz wouldn't accidentally sit on a nuclear launch button.

Trump being in office is a constant danger to our country. If Bloomberg is the nominee, I'm voting for him. If a sandwich is the nominee, I will have a sandwich lawn sign. There is nobody running in the democratic primaries I wouldn't vote for over Trump. There is no major politician I can think of who I wouldn't vote for over Trump.

Trump is destroying our country in ways none of us could have even imagined. He is one of the greatest dangers America has ever faced, and there is a real chance our democracy won't survive a second term.

[BlueMTexpat]

120. True.

But I will NOT vote for him in the primary election.

[CousinIT]

121. DITTO THAT.

1. Get Trump OUT
2. THEN work for more progressive policies

Those two steps don't have to be done at once. We can do #1 in November, then work on #2. Before we can do #2, we HAVE TO GET #1 DONE.

Most likely, we will not be able to do both at once in November. So don't bother expecting that. It would be nice but it should not be a requirement or an expectation.

Priorities.
FOCUS.

[AverageJoe]

123. While there are some candidates I genuinely dislike

I will ENTHUSIASTICALLY support and vote for our nominee, without the slightest hesitation.

As they say in Kentucky, GO BIG BLUE!!!!