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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:30 PM Feb 2020

Are Bloomberg's racist views disqualifying?

Previously the media had only reported that Bloomberg "defended stop and frisk" in 2015. Now video and audio has gone viral, and it is way more than just defending stop and frisk.

Bloomberg rattles off crime statistics without a care in the world about the reality behind those statistics. This is the kind of stuff I'm only used to hearing from right wingers.

So I'm curious, is this disqualifying?

This absolutely terrifies me. I don't like his history of sexist crap but I know most voters don't care.

This? This is something that could kill us in the GE.


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Yes, his remarks are racist and it's disqualifying.
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Yes, it's disqualifying but I don't consider his remarks to be racist.
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No, it's not disqualifying.
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Are Bloomberg's racist views disqualifying? (Original Post) redqueen Feb 2020 OP
Trump is disqualified IronLionZion Feb 2020 #1
OMG ! Another attack on Mike left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #2
Is all the stuff he's saying in these viral clips racist or not? redqueen Feb 2020 #3
I do not give a flying FUCK! MicaelS Feb 2020 #11
"Purity test" is about stuff like climate change policy, healthcare policy. redqueen Feb 2020 #13
If there are no standards, then what is the point? kcr Feb 2020 #60
So using his actual words is an attack? Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #4
OMG--This Mike guy who gave a zentrum Feb 2020 #9
"You've got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed" AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #17
I too pretend valid concerns about racism are 'attacks..' LanternWaste Feb 2020 #15
The worst thing is... Dr. Strange Feb 2020 #67
I think 2naSalit Feb 2020 #5
Nope MenloParque Feb 2020 #6
Welcome to DU nt redqueen Feb 2020 #7
Oh, so just act like it didnt happen fallout87 Feb 2020 #12
Ostriches sticking their heads in the sand seem your favored voter-block. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #16
Welcome to DU, MenloParque DesertRat Feb 2020 #19
He's not my candidate at all, but he is running as a Democrat... hlthe2b Feb 2020 #8
Yes, 100% fallout87 Feb 2020 #10
Yes, absolutely n/t Devil Child Feb 2020 #14
Is the cynic in me allowed to observe that those positions may appeal to centrists and soft-right AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #18
Well, since they seem to hate people who are woke... BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #28
Oh, #$@$... Is EVERY candidate going to be burdened with somethin? I'm not a Bloomberg fan, but... LAS14 Feb 2020 #20
Mike, along with a lot of other people.... spicysista Feb 2020 #21
This! Especially after the viable black candidates are no longer in the race. PunkinPi Feb 2020 #27
Pragmatism...that's the word! spicysista Feb 2020 #29
I got you :) ... PunkinPi Feb 2020 #32
This should be it's own thread! spicysista Feb 2020 #36
Duppers just posted another interview with JJ... PunkinPi Feb 2020 #39
I posted about Jason in another thread last night. Duppers Feb 2020 #41
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2020 #22
I don't like the word "disqualifying", but for this and numerous other reasons, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #23
I don't either but it seems to be really popular during this primary redqueen Feb 2020 #24
After Howard Dean, I have little paitence for that word. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #31
He will have a chance to explain his views and actions on the debate stage. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #25
I'd appreciate it if I could find a candidate who's been consistently tishaLA Feb 2020 #26
Racist. honest.abe Feb 2020 #30
Racist. I do think Mike is that. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #61
I disagree. In fact he trying to stop a racist political party from taking over this country. honest.abe Feb 2020 #62
Considering he may be off a few % with his "95% perps & victims are minority" stats, jmg257 Feb 2020 #33
"A few % off"? tishaLA Feb 2020 #34
Interesting points. I often refer to the reports by the local PD - Chicago's are very similar. jmg257 Feb 2020 #38
Chicago PD isn't known for its equitable policing of communities of color tishaLA Feb 2020 #42
Seems so, and goes along with points the other poster who also replied to me made... jmg257 Feb 2020 #44
I don't think so. Laelth Feb 2020 #35
The only thing disqualifying a Democrat for office is a felony conviction dalton99a Feb 2020 #37
How can we say he is racist sarisataka Feb 2020 #40
Did anyone notice that Bloomberg apologized for stop&frisk? He admitted he made a mistake. TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #43
That happened after he defended it for years tishaLA Feb 2020 #45
"no one told me about stop and frisk" is not an apology uponit7771 Feb 2020 #48
Fuck his disingenuous apology. phleshdef Feb 2020 #50
"no one told me about stop and frisk" is more disqualifying than stupid racist statements uponit7771 Feb 2020 #46
Who said that? nt redqueen Feb 2020 #49
Mike, 3 months ago uponit7771 Feb 2020 #51
I'm continually amazed that people actually support this person. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #55
+1, IDK what's happening here but Mikes run in the most cynical I've seen in politics. He has made uponit7771 Feb 2020 #58
According to CNN this came from Bernies Camp SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #47
It doesn't matter WHERE it came from. Its true. He said it. He implemented it as policy. phleshdef Feb 2020 #53
It should have come from the MSM. redqueen Feb 2020 #54
It certainly cements his next to last rank for me dsc Feb 2020 #52
For decent people, of course. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #56
I say make Bloomie get on the debate stage bunny planet Feb 2020 #57
Anyone of the candidates that can't get votes from POC LakeArenal Feb 2020 #59
Yes. He defended the draconian policy until he decided to run, laughing at the idea of an apology emmaverybo Feb 2020 #63
That should be an OP redqueen Feb 2020 #64
I hope we're not currently watching in real-time, a revisionism of racist actions LanternWaste Feb 2020 #65
That seems to be exactly what is happening. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #66
... LexVegas Feb 2020 #68
No more than Biden's, Burnie's Buti's. At least he apologized. robbedvoter Feb 2020 #69
 

IronLionZion

(46,022 posts)
1. Trump is disqualified
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:30 PM
Feb 2020

That was easy. Next!

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
2. OMG ! Another attack on Mike
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:34 PM
Feb 2020

I guess Mike's really on the rise to get the nomination.

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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
3. Is all the stuff he's saying in these viral clips racist or not?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:34 PM
Feb 2020

What is your opinion?

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MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
11. I do not give a flying FUCK!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:42 PM
Feb 2020

I am sick and tired of people looking for anything they can to smear people running against Trump.

Everyone makes mistakes. And purity tests suck.

Trump must lose, all other considerations are secondary.

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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
13. "Purity test" is about stuff like climate change policy, healthcare policy.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:44 PM
Feb 2020

This is not a purity test it's a basic human decency test.

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kcr

(15,399 posts)
60. If there are no standards, then what is the point?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:19 PM
Feb 2020

Why do you even care about getting rid of Trump?

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Bradshaw3

(7,702 posts)
4. So using his actual words is an attack?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:38 PM
Feb 2020

Here they are, not from some repub or a Democratic rival, but from HIS OWN MOUTH, as recorded by the Aspen Times:
"Ninety-five percent of murders- murderers and murder victims fit one M.O. You can just take the description, Xerox it, and pass it out to all the cops. They are male, minorities, 16-25. That’s true in New York, that’s true in virtually every city (inaudible). And that’s where the real crime is."

Rather than attacking the messenger, how about commenting on his own words, said just four years ago.

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zentrum

(9,866 posts)
9. OMG--This Mike guy who gave a
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:41 PM
Feb 2020

.....big speech at The Repug National Convention in support of Bush in 2004 and is now a Democrat? Oh, let's not suspect and attack him!

Here, BTW, is part of racist screed.

95% of your murders -- murderers and murder victims fit one MO. You can just take the description, Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male. minorities, sixteen to twenty-five. That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city. And that's where the real crime is.

You've got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed. You want to spend the money on a lot of cops in the streets. Put those cops where the crime is, which means in minority neighborhoods. So, one of the unintended consequences is people say, "Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana that are all minorities. Yes, that's true. Why? Because we put all the cops in minority neighborhoods. Yes, that's true. Why do we do it? Because that's where all the crime is.

And the way you get the guns out of the kid's hands is to throw them up against the walls and frisk them. And they start, "Oh, I don't want to get caught." So they don't bring the gun. They still have a gun. But they leave it at home.95% of your murders -- murderers and murder victims fit one MO. You can just take the description, Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male. minorities, sixteen to twenty-five. That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city. And that's where the real crime is.

.... Put those cops where the crime is, which means in minority neighborhoods. So, one of the unintended consequences is people say, "Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana that are all minorities. Yes, that's true. Why? Because we put all the cops in minority neighborhoods. Yes, that's true. Why do we do it? Because that's where all the crime is.

And the way you get the guns out of the kid's hands is to throw them up against the walls and frisk them. And they start, "Oh, I don't want to get caught." So they don't bring the gun. They still have a gun. But they leave it at home.


Not to mention how he removed restrictions on lead paint in NYC.

Oh--let's not attack poor misunderstood Mike.
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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
17. "You've got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed"
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:50 PM
Feb 2020

Um.. I'm just going to assume that's miss-spoken.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. I too pretend valid concerns about racism are 'attacks..'
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:47 PM
Feb 2020

And from that mere discussion on racism, we get to pretend he's on the rise.

Your 'it does not follow' fallacy was as bemusing as slivers of used soap.

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Dr. Strange

(25,957 posts)
67. The worst thing is...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:00 PM
Feb 2020

they're using the words of a racist bigot to attack him!

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2naSalit

(88,966 posts)
5. I think
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:39 PM
Feb 2020

that I would NOT want him as president, ever. Don't think he's qualified AND I don't like him but... I have heard on several news outlets that African American would hold their nose and vote for hi if hes nominated. I don't trust him.

I truly hope he's not the nominee in the end.

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MenloParque

(527 posts)
6. Nope
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:39 PM
Feb 2020

Threads created to cause division amongst voters who are fighting for their lives only do one thing...help the incumbent. Please post positive threads about your candidate without being a troll towards other candidates.

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fallout87

(819 posts)
12. Oh, so just act like it didnt happen
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:43 PM
Feb 2020

No thanks, I want to know who's trying to be the nominee, and what they truly stand for. This is healthy.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Ostriches sticking their heads in the sand seem your favored voter-block.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:49 PM
Feb 2020
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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
19. Welcome to DU, MenloParque
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:54 PM
Feb 2020
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hlthe2b

(103,466 posts)
8. He's not my candidate at all, but he is running as a Democrat...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:40 PM
Feb 2020

I think it is fair game to discuss past positions and statements, just as we have with Biden and others. But, declaring his current views to be "racist?" I think we have to ask him, just as we have other candidates who've said and held controversial views in the past.

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fallout87

(819 posts)
10. Yes, 100%
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:42 PM
Feb 2020

And to see the amount of people defending these vile racist remarks is sickening

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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. Is the cynic in me allowed to observe that those positions may appeal to centrists and soft-right
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:52 PM
Feb 2020

wingers that might have reasons to seek an alternative to Trump?

I think I might enjoy seeing Trump and Bloomberg mix it up on-stage in a debate. That would be fucking lively.

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BusyBeingBest

(8,260 posts)
28. Well, since they seem to hate people who are woke...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:22 PM
Feb 2020

nobody is mistaking Bloomberg for being that. That IS pretty cynical though, LOL.

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LAS14

(13,922 posts)
20. Oh, #$@$... Is EVERY candidate going to be burdened with somethin? I'm not a Bloomberg fan, but...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:56 PM
Feb 2020

... I'll be interested to see how he does with POC, whe are currently being lauded for their "practicality."

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spicysista

(1,663 posts)
21. Mike, along with a lot of other people....
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:00 PM
Feb 2020

.....have said something racist. Most black voters are very highly informed. There is nothing new about an old white man saying and doing something racist.

Black voters tend to be more concerned about what a candidate has been doing for the last 10 years. Will they be able to carry state and local Democratic candidates across the finish line? What's the candidates story? What has he or she learned/experienced to show they can even begin to know our issues? What are some plans you've put into place? What has worked and what hasn't?

I think many older black people will hold their nose and vote for just about anyone who is an actual Democrat. I'm not sure about my age group. It seems more regional, to me. For example, my hometown has a huge HBC. So, you'd think Sanders would have had a shot, right? Well, Hillary ran away with every precinct in my city and all age groups of African Americans. Joe Biden seems to be doing the same this time, too.

I have no idea how things are going to shake out this time. I just know we can not afford to have any group disenchanted with our nominee.

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PunkinPi

(4,908 posts)
27. This! Especially after the viable black candidates are no longer in the race.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:19 PM
Feb 2020

Black voters tend to be pragmatic and like you said highly informed, they don't necessarily have the luxury of voting on purity, especially when the goal is to rid the country of Trump.

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spicysista

(1,663 posts)
29. Pragmatism...that's the word!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:22 PM
Feb 2020
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PunkinPi

(4,908 posts)
32. I got you :) ...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:33 PM
Feb 2020

and while I'm here, I'm just going to add this, since it may help illuminate some things for folks.



Black voters generally don't trust white voters or that most of the Democratic candidates will actually fight on their behalf. Thanks @SRuhle for being open to this and other thorny conversations during campaign 2020
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spicysista

(1,663 posts)
36. This should be it's own thread!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:40 PM
Feb 2020

I'm serious! I really think a lot of people around here need to see this! Jason Johnson is absolutely correct. Although.....I'm not sure but this may be considered dinner talk... Oh, well. It was on national television.
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PunkinPi

(4,908 posts)
39. Duppers just posted another interview with JJ...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:44 PM
Feb 2020
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Duppers

(28,176 posts)
41. I posted about Jason in another thread last night.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:52 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287498833

We are on the same page, my friend!



And, btw, Bloomberg hates Trump's guts; this is personal for him.
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H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
22. Recommended.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:06 PM
Feb 2020

I think this is an important issue. It deserves a serious discussion. If another forum member's opinion is different than your's, please focus on the issues involved, rather than the person who holds the different opinion.

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thesquanderer

(12,149 posts)
23. I don't like the word "disqualifying", but for this and numerous other reasons,
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:06 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg is way down on my list. I'd certainly take Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or Biden ahead of him. But of course I'd vote for Bloomberg against Trump. So in *that* context, he's not disqualified, I'd pull the lever for him over Trump.

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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
24. I don't either but it seems to be really popular during this primary
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:09 PM
Feb 2020

so I thought I'd use it too. Since, to me, if anything is going to be considered disqualifying, it's this.

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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
31. After Howard Dean, I have little paitence for that word.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:27 PM
Feb 2020

The Right proudly parades around in their own filth, and doubles down on every slimy thing they do or say, and we eliminate every single candidate of our own that has so much as a single skeleton in their closet.

The primary will decide who is and is not 'disqualified'.

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BusyBeingBest

(8,260 posts)
25. He will have a chance to explain his views and actions on the debate stage.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:14 PM
Feb 2020

That should be enlightening. SOMEONE is going to bring it up.

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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
26. I'd appreciate it if I could find a candidate who's been consistently
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:17 PM
Feb 2020

engaged in racial justice issues and has known the terrain for the entirety of his or her career. That isn't the case with any of the candidates, although to my mind Sen Warren is the closest of those still in the race.

Any vote I make will have to be a compromise of my principles.

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honest.abe

(8,877 posts)
30. Racist.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:22 PM
Feb 2020
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance, and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.


I do not think Mike is that.
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. Racist. I do think Mike is that.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:45 PM
Feb 2020

(it's adorable how we minimize and trivialize racist behavior, action, words and policy for the expediency of political conveniences and our own biases...)

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honest.abe

(8,877 posts)
62. I disagree. In fact he trying to stop a racist political party from taking over this country.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:49 PM
Feb 2020

And he loves President Obama!

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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
33. Considering he may be off a few % with his "95% perps & victims are minority" stats,
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:34 PM
Feb 2020

Unless more conclusive data comes out, I'll say it does NOT disqualify him.

Per 2012 NYPD Police Report

Murder and Non-Negligent
Manslaughter victims are most frequently
Black (60.1%) or Hispanic (26.7%).


The race/ethnicity of known Murder
and Non-Negligent Manslaughter suspects
mirrors the victim population with Black
(53.7%) and Hispanic (34.8%)


The race/ethnicity of known Shooting
suspects is most frequently Black (78.2%).
Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional
(18.9%) of all suspects


The Firearm Arrest population is most
frequently Black (73.2%) or Hispanic (21.5%).


The most frequently occurring
race/ethnic group within the Violent Felony
suspects is Black, accounting for (66.0%).
Hispanic suspects account for an additional
(26.1%)



https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/2012_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf
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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
34. "A few % off"?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:38 PM
Feb 2020

WTAF? Did it ever occur to you that there are more arrests of brown and black people for firearms because they are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement? Does a "felony suspect"--usually poor--mean that they have actualy committed the crime or that they have been accused and, often, convicted without regard to whether they are guilty or not?

That post is all kinds of horrible.

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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
38. Interesting points. I often refer to the reports by the local PD - Chicago's are very similar.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:43 PM
Feb 2020

Not sure of the specifics as listed in these reports - or under "arrests" as in Chicago

https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Chicago-Police-Department-Annual-Report-2017.pdf

In Chicago, they actually had a whole program where they KNEW who like 80-85% of the victims and perps would be.
Strategic List or some such; mostly due to the high number of repeat offenders. They have since ended it on its ineffectivness. working...

ON Edit:

Chicago police have quietly ended a controversial data-gathering effort that rated tens of thousands of residents on who was most likely to be caught up in violence — either as a victim or criminal.

A report last week by the city’s government watchdog disclosed the demise of the eight-year program — referred to by police as the “Strategic Subject List” or SSL — while raising concerns about its operations on a number of fronts, including the accuracy of the ratings and the sharing of the data with other law enforcement agencies.

"The Police Department had revised the SSL numerous times since its inception in 2012, including a significant overhaul last year that included a name change.

In quietly dumping the program in November, the department acknowledged that the data-scraping effort hadn’t reduced violence, citing a national study released last year that found the SSL ineffective.
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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
42. Chicago PD isn't known for its equitable policing of communities of color
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:52 PM
Feb 2020

whatever the data might say.

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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
44. Seems so, and goes along with points the other poster who also replied to me made...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:58 PM
Feb 2020
...Chicago magazine reports. Among its findings: more people on the list end up arrested than are offered help through social services; more than half of the black men aged 20 to 29 in the city are on the list; entry on the list is based on arrests instead of convictions; and officers are arresting more people with a SSL score in heavily policed neighborhoods.


https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2017/08/22/an-inside-look-at-the-chicago-police-departments-mysterious-strategic-subject-list-and-other-news
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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
35. I don't think so.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:39 PM
Feb 2020

Democratic voters are so focused on defeating Trump that they're willing to overlook quite a few sins in this cycle. It's a strange place that we find ourselves in at the moment.

-Laelth

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dalton99a

(82,381 posts)
37. The only thing disqualifying a Democrat for office is a felony conviction
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:40 PM
Feb 2020

as far as I'm concerned

And that's how I vote in the general election.




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sarisataka

(19,634 posts)
40. How can we say he is racist
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:48 PM
Feb 2020

Just based on a statement that minorities need to be thrown against a wall and frisked? Didn't he compliment Cory Booker when Bloomberg described him as "well spoken?"

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
43. Did anyone notice that Bloomberg apologized for stop&frisk? He admitted he made a mistake.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:58 PM
Feb 2020
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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
45. That happened after he defended it for years
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:07 PM
Feb 2020

Now, granted, I don't believe Bloomberg is substantially different from the former small town mayor or the former MN prosecutor or the junior senator from VT who couldn't be bothered to know that thousands of black folks are locked up in jails because they can't pay bail, but a speech and an appearance on a couple talk shows don't really cut it.

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uponit7771

(90,570 posts)
48. "no one told me about stop and frisk" is not an apology
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:09 PM
Feb 2020
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Joe Biden
 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
50. Fuck his disingenuous apology.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:10 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,570 posts)
46. "no one told me about stop and frisk" is more disqualifying than stupid racist statements
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:08 PM
Feb 2020
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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
49. Who said that? nt
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:09 PM
Feb 2020
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Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,570 posts)
51. Mike, 3 months ago
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:10 PM
Feb 2020
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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
55. I'm continually amazed that people actually support this person. nt
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

uponit7771

(90,570 posts)
58. +1, IDK what's happening here but Mikes run in the most cynical I've seen in politics. He has made
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:15 PM
Feb 2020

... some of the most racist statements when it comes to non whites outside for a public figure outside of Trump.

IDK what they hell mike was thinking and his "non change" changed mind doesn't help.

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SpazzTheCat

(69 posts)
47. According to CNN this came from Bernies Camp
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:09 PM
Feb 2020

[link:https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/11/politics/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-comments/index.html|

From the link
"The audio was posted to Twitter by writer and author Benjamin Dixon on Monday. Dixon said earlier this year that he believes Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the best option in the Democratic presidential field. While promoting the clip, and several other critical articles and videos of Bloomberg, Dixon has repeatedly tweeted "#BloombergIsaRacist." He also did a podcast episode attacking what he called Bloomberg's "racist, classist past.""

I think Bernie is scared of Bloomberg

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phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
53. It doesn't matter WHERE it came from. Its true. He said it. He implemented it as policy.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:11 PM
Feb 2020

You spamming every thread to let everyone know "it came from Bernie" is NEVER going to change that fact.

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redqueen

(115,113 posts)
54. It should have come from the MSM.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:12 PM
Feb 2020

It's interesting that they can write about decades old shit about other candidates with no prompting, but this they not only ignore but when it does come out they point fingers at others trying to create more division and avoid explaining why they kept this under wraps.

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dsc

(52,269 posts)
52. It certainly cements his next to last rank for me
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:10 PM
Feb 2020

but it is only disqualifying if enough primary voters agree with me. That is an open question.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
56. For decent people, of course.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:14 PM
Feb 2020

And him buying the nomination will destroy us by alienating much of the base for years to come.

I've been saying for weeks and I'll say it again, this Bloomberg talk is absolutely nuts.

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bunny planet

(10,875 posts)
57. I say make Bloomie get on the debate stage
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:14 PM
Feb 2020

and defend himself, allow him to be exposed to the public warts and all, not just present himself the way he wants to by buying ads. You bought yourself on to the debate stage when others had to drop out unable to meet the former rules. The rules were changed for you Mike, so, now get on the stage and let us see what you've got. #makebloombergdebate

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Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(29,201 posts)
59. Anyone of the candidates that can't get votes from POC
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:16 PM
Feb 2020

are going to lose.

I think it’s under-discussed and underrated.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,147 posts)
63. Yes. He defended the draconian policy until he decided to run, laughing at the idea of an apology
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:49 PM
Feb 2020

tour. He implemented a much more aggressive version of “stop and frisk”than had been in place, shredding thousands of AA and Latino males’ civil liberties.

Then he claimed that he had brought the crime rate down, when no correlation between this ruthless profiling policy and a crime drop could be shown. When the policy was suspended, crime did not rise. Still, he insisted. Now we see that his own distorted belief system justified his racist policy. His ideas about crime hark back to the days of slavery and Jim Crow.

Based on unproved theory and stereotype, Bloomberg not only systematically violated search and seizure laws, he intensified whole communities’ distrust and fear of law enforcement, exacerbating problems in the already strained relationship between the communities he harmed and law enforcers. He encouraged and unleashed policing abuses.

He never had AA and Latino support for his approach to crime. He did not consult with experts or community leaders. In fact, he persisted in the face of outcry and legal attempts to stop these abuses in fighting to sustain them.







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Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,113 posts)
64. That should be an OP
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

Outstanding summary of his bankrupt moral code.

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Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
65. I hope we're not currently watching in real-time, a revisionism of racist actions
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020

I hope we're not currently watching in real-time, a revisionism of distinctly racist actions, obvious racist policies and overt racist words as something other than what they in fact, are.

By ignoring the core values of the Democratic party simply to elect a Democrat seems at best a short-sighted Pyrrhic victory... illustrating that our own convictions are as mutable and weak as the very republicans we condemn.

I'd hate to think this is a genesis of some new "we-have-met-the-enemy-and-he-is-us" wing of the Democratic party. If it is, we should tell them the name Dixiecrat has already been used.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,113 posts)
66. That seems to be exactly what is happening. nt
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
69. No more than Biden's, Burnie's Buti's. At least he apologized.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:01 PM
Feb 2020

I wanted Kamala, but now, these are the choices. Let's just say, there are people at the bottom of my list following Bloomberg.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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