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Horizens

(637 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:59 PM Feb 2020

Sanders underperforming.

38% in

Sanders is running 21% below his 2106 numbers and losing to the combined moderate Dem vote by 25% (53 to 28). All that in his own backyard.

Go Amy

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Sanders underperforming. (Original Post) Horizens Feb 2020 OP
You realize this isnt only his backyard, right? Tiggeroshii Feb 2020 #1
And the combination of Sanders and Warren TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #35
I'm impressed with Klobuchar... Rollo Feb 2020 #2
Yeah that was weird ibegurpard Feb 2020 #4
Nobody's nastier than Trump. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #8
Nobody would have said a damn thing about Klobuchar's treatment of staff NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #22
Right. krissey Feb 2020 #25
Had she were a man the story would admire a demanding boss question everything Feb 2020 #26
He was never going to get back to 60%, lots of competition Agschmid Feb 2020 #3
But that says that half of his support was "Not Hillary" sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #5
Exactly. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #7
Agree Horizens Feb 2020 #14
Trump has a movement which is why Republicans fall in line. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #17
A five way race vs a two way race. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #6
Bernie had a stronger name recognition, from a neighboring state, a four year organization, spent Yavin4 Feb 2020 #12
I don't know, I think he'll take it. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #16
If folks were on board he'd be running away with it. Instead the pragmatics are clobbering him. UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #15
Go ahead. I'm more of an Amy person myself. But I like Bernie, I voted BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #19
I'm not shitting on anything...just pointing out the obvious. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #24
Buttigieg first and Klobucher second in a few of these southeast townships greenjar_01 Feb 2020 #9
Klobucher Horizens Feb 2020 #11
Save it. I will gladly send it on your behalf question everything Feb 2020 #29
Right. Another landslide he is not going to get. Where is that revolution. krissey Feb 2020 #10
LOL. DanTex Feb 2020 #13
That won't stop the "full of the sound and the fury" Bernie campaign oasis Feb 2020 #18
Like falsely saying they got the youth vote in Iowa that Obama got in 2008? krissey Feb 2020 #28
The problem is this. Blue_true Feb 2020 #20
Most should not. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #23
How many are campaigning in NH this time? Here's a hint. Not just two Autumn Feb 2020 #31
Math sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #37
After two small states he claims most of the delegates? question everything Feb 2020 #32
Thats funny! empedocles Feb 2020 #34
Yep see that too. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #21
About that underperforming by 21%. There were only TWO candidates, this time there are several more Autumn Feb 2020 #27
You're a harsh critic. He seems to be winning tonight from everything I've seen Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #30
Amy is doing great Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #33
Amy has momentum, which is what IA/NH about - not delegate counts. empedocles Feb 2020 #36
Yep Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #38
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
1. You realize this isnt only his backyard, right?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020

It is also Warren's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TexasTowelie

(112,167 posts)
35. And the combination of Sanders and Warren
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:45 PM
Feb 2020

are running behind Buttigieg and Klobuchar--that's not even including the other "centrist" Biden.

Congratulations on your candidate winning tonight, but the Democrats haven't even completed the first mile of the marathon. I can't wait until Super Tuesday and the remainder of March.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
2. I'm impressed with Klobuchar...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020

She seems very level headed.

There was some negative stuff about her last year, saying she was harsh on her staff. Well, WTF? She is the boss of her campaign, after all. Nice gals finish last and all that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
4. Yeah that was weird
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:02 PM
Feb 2020

I want to know where it came from

If I were to vote in a presidential
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IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
8. Nobody's nastier than Trump.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:07 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. Nobody would have said a damn thing about Klobuchar's treatment of staff
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:33 PM
Feb 2020

if she was a man. I'm not a Klobuchar supporter, but that article from last year really pissed me off.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

question everything

(47,479 posts)
26. Had she were a man the story would admire a demanding boss
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
3. He was never going to get back to 60%, lots of competition
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sweetloukillbot

(11,017 posts)
5. But that says that half of his support was "Not Hillary"
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:06 PM
Feb 2020

Not how you build a revolution

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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
7. Exactly.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:07 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie has a following. Not a movement. There's a big difference between the two.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Horizens

(637 posts)
14. Agree
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020

Like trump, birney has cult followers .... but not as many as trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
17. Trump has a movement which is why Republicans fall in line.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:23 PM
Feb 2020

He can punish almost any Republican who speaks out against him. Bernie can barely beat two unknown candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
6. A five way race vs a two way race.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:06 PM
Feb 2020

The dynamics aren't the same, apples and oranges.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
12. Bernie had a stronger name recognition, from a neighboring state, a four year organization, spent
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:17 PM
Feb 2020

millions on ads in the state, all for a 5 point win over a mayor from a small town in Indiana.

Bernie has a following, not a movement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
16. I don't know, I think he'll take it.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:23 PM
Feb 2020

If he wins, no matter by how much, I expect both people here and in the media to diminish it. It's really something.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
15. If folks were on board he'd be running away with it. Instead the pragmatics are clobbering him.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:21 PM
Feb 2020

We will coalesce and finish it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
19. Go ahead. I'm more of an Amy person myself. But I like Bernie, I voted
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:25 PM
Feb 2020

for him last time, and I won't shit on his night if he wins.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
24. I'm not shitting on anything...just pointing out the obvious. nt
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
9. Buttigieg first and Klobucher second in a few of these southeast townships
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:08 PM
Feb 2020

Interesting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Horizens

(637 posts)
11. Klobucher
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:15 PM
Feb 2020

I've got some whopping medical expenses in my household but I'm sending $25.00 that I can't afford to Amy.

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question everything

(47,479 posts)
29. Save it. I will gladly send it on your behalf
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:38 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
10. Right. Another landslide he is not going to get. Where is that revolution.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:09 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

oasis

(49,382 posts)
18. That won't stop the "full of the sound and the fury" Bernie campaign
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:23 PM
Feb 2020

from painting a far different picture.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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krissey

(1,205 posts)
28. Like falsely saying they got the youth vote in Iowa that Obama got in 2008?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:37 PM
Feb 2020

Probably. But too many see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. The problem is this.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:28 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie is getting a solid 25% while the others are splitting the 75% four ways. Someone has to realize they can't win and staying in insures that Bernie comes into the convention with the most delegates, even if he is well short of a majority, he can and likely WILL claim that his higher delegate count warrants that he be the nominee. The others can pool their votes to defeat him, but that is going to create chaos.

Someone has to fall on their sword and withdraw tonight or before Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
23. Most should not.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:33 PM
Feb 2020

That solid 25% is a far cry from the 60% he got in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,079 posts)
31. How many are campaigning in NH this time? Here's a hint. Not just two
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:38 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sweetloukillbot

(11,017 posts)
37. Math
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020

The amount of candidates doesn't matter -the amount of voters do.
If the turnout is similar (and it appears to be) he's getting half the votes. So either that other half were merely voting for him as "Not Hillary" and weren't supporters to begin with or he's lost support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,479 posts)
32. After two small states he claims most of the delegates?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
21. Yep see that too.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie got 15 out of 24 delegates in 2016. And didn't win the nomination.

I don't know the turnout for NH today compared to 2016.

Iowa and NH do not determine the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,079 posts)
27. About that underperforming by 21%. There were only TWO candidates, this time there are several more
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:37 PM
Feb 2020
Bernie's doing just fine.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
30. You're a harsh critic. He seems to be winning tonight from everything I've seen
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:38 PM
Feb 2020

Maybe he isn't doing as well as Sanders and his supporters would prefer to see, but he is still ahead of the pack in NH.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
33. Amy is doing great
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:43 PM
Feb 2020

and she is raising a ton of money. She clearly has a path forward.

I really think Bloomberg will upset the balance a lot, and fundraising will play a huge role in who can get past Super Tuesday. Obviously Bloomberg has that covered, lol.

Biden and Warren will really struggle if they can't keep donations up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
36. Amy has momentum, which is what IA/NH about - not delegate counts.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
38. Yep
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:48 PM
Feb 2020

The delegate counts are nominal, really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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