The elephant in the room regarding Biden....

[Zoonart]

Why are none of the talking heads addressing how the ratfucking of Joe
Biden that the *resident's lawyers effectively passed off as an impeachment defense, caused him to be seen as a candidate who could not be elected?
They did exactly what Zelenski refused to do...dirty up Biden.
The talking heads are acting like this poor showing in the primary is all Joe's fault.
So doing, they too are advancing the dirty narrative.

Sorry if you have already seen this. I moved it from general discussion.

[Fresh_Start]

1. yes, hunter is like 'her emails'

and I hate that it happened

[SMC22307]

23. That's exactly it. He's a liability...

and Dems don't want to be burned again. Rethugs will go for the jugular with any of our candidates, but with Joe/Hunter, we're just handing it to them.

[W_HAMILTON]

2. It's unforunate that Democrats are so inclined to believe Republican ratfucking.

Kerry, Hillary, Franken, Biden -- I'm sure I'm missing several others.

[Zambero]

6. Michael Dukakis comes to mind

Lee Atwater taught Karl Rove a thing or two.

[Renew Deal]

3. I think there is something to this

Despite his other flaws.

[DrToast]

4. It's unclear how much of that is because of the bogus charges against him

Biden’s national polls were strong all throughout the impeachment mess. There wasn’t much of a sign it was hurting him. He only starting tanking in polling very recently. It’s hard to say that can be attributed to Trump because why didn’t it happen before?

[Zoonart]

7. I think that after that shit show

acquittal, voters decided that the smear would stick and that Trump would use his acquittal to weaponize the smear...which he is doing.

[HerbChestnut]

5. It could also be...

...that voters in Iowa and NH were just more impressed with other candidates after hearing from them for almost a year. Most of Biden's support came from the idea that he was "electable", which flew out the window once the first two states actually voted.

[calguy]

8. It is/was Biden's job to nullify the Ukraine garbage

He kind of tried to ignore it like it wasn't there. If trump has succeeded to bring down Biden it might prove to be a mistake because now he's going to have to deal with Bloomberg. Mike is really the only one who can out spend him. Any other candidate will be at a huge financial disadvantage. Mike can go toe to toe with him all the way to the end.

[Zoonart]

9. If course...

My question is as to why the talking heads are taking a hands off approach to this angle?

[cwydro]

10. I started out as a Biden supporter. The republicans had nothing to do with my change of heart.

His comments in the first debate, his general aura of looking tired...I just decided he didn’t have what it takes. I have several friends who came to the same conclusion for the same reasons.

I have great respect for the man; I just don’t think he can do it.

I could give a rat’s ass about Hunter or anything else.

[relayerbob]

11. Honestly

I agree the dirty bullshit sucks and they should be held accountable, but I doubt it made as much of an impact in this primary as you might think. These are all Democrats or otherwise better informed independents, so very likely to not find Trump's Biden BS as credible. Be different if this was a general election, then I would agree. Biden has spent very little time in the state, very little advertising and pulled it back some weeks ago, and left the state early on. This in addition to conceding it on national TV. This does not suggest someone prepared to take Trump on head to head.

[calguy]

12. I can't disagree with you

I might be voting Bloomberg on Super Tuesday.

[Sunsky]

13. Very tactically done

To instill doubt in a Biden candidacy. In addition, Graham pledged to investigate the Bidens (2016 all over again). However, let's not fool ourselves. Trump is going to muddy whoever is our nominee and the Trumpublikkkans won't play fair. We need a candidate with a strong backbone, someone who can fight back. It's just getting started folks. Buckle up.

[Zoonart]

22. Exactly.

The disinformation campaign is coming for your candidate whomever it may be.

[Hekate]

14. KnR for the new location

[Zoonart]

18. Thanks for the advice Hekate.

[uponit7771]

15. Nah, Biden was one of 5 neighboring or regional candidates, NH and IA were skewed this year. NV & SC

... are more representative.

[brooklynite]

16. Why? Because that's not an excuse

Biden didn't lose 92% of the New Hampshire vote because of Ukraine and Hunter.

My wife and I decided Biden wasn't a good candidate based on seeing in person on the campaign trail.

[Azathoth]

19. Sure Biden got ratfucked, be he hasn't done himself any favors either

Everything he's done has reinforced the idea that he is there simply as the senior establishment candidate: electable and "safe", but not bringing any kind of grassroots excitement to the table.

[Zoonart]

20. Joe has never been my candidate,

That being said, when we begin to take the r-fkng in stride because it is not happening to our candidate we doom all candidates to that threat and eventuality.

[Azathoth]

21. McConnell would have ramped up a Senate investigation if Trump hadn't bumbled into it

like the criminal clown he is. The GOP were going to ratfuck Biden *hard* on this, one way or the other, because their strongest case for Trump is "Hey, the Democrats do the exact same stuff as us. So ignore the corruption and just vote for lower taxes and no Mexicans."

[Duppers]

24. This is so true.

And they will continually throw "socialism/ communist/raise your taxes" at Bernie....and it'll work, unfortunately. Just wait.


On edit: We Dems will feel we cannot "dirty" ourselves with Bloomberg; we hate billionaires and cannot accept Bloomberg's reasoning, apology, or offer of help, despite the fact that black leaders are now saying they're supporting Bloomberg! Congressional Black caucus spokesman, Gregory Meeks, is on Chris Matthews right now saying this.

Read what prognosticator Prof.
Rachel Bitecofer predicts (she got the last few elections right) if we go with my former first choice, Bernie Sanders:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287506841

And thanks for this thread!